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U.S. Wasted Months Before Preparing for Virus Pandemic

W_Heisenberg said:
The WHO is responsible for the things the WHO said and did.

Trump is responsible for the things Trump said and did.

The fact that someone else somewhere else did not react appropriately or made a mistake does not really matter to me. What matters to me is that OUR President made a series of mistakes related to this pandemic. Since I am an American citizen I will hold Trump to account for his mistakes as it concerns his failures that impact me, and my fellow citizens.

What do conservatives and libertarians call it? Oh yes, personal responsibility, something Trump never learned throughout his pampered life.

I expected more from an American President. And saying, basically, "Well, at least Trump isn't as bad as so-and-so..." just doesn't cut it for me. It's a poor excuse.
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No, you are comparing Trumps actions to what should have happened with the benefit of hindsight. Essentially, you are Monday Morning Quarterbacking.
 
Drawdown said:
Ignoring that the government is buying up medical supplies for its needs while shorting the supply for everybody else while also ignoring Trump is not the President who shorted the national stockpiles to begin with I see.
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We have an integrated global economy. This stuff was also being purchased by all the world's other countries. And it's not about buying stuff so the states can't get them. It's about buying stuff to strategically deploy to the states in the most efficient way possible. Contrary to what that idiot Kushner said, the purpose of the stockpile is to deploy where it's needed throughout the whole country.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
U.S. wasted months before preparing for virus pandemic



There is just no excuse for this, none.

After this is all over, it will be very important for the American people to hold the Trump administration to account for its failures.
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No government was ready. Every government around the globe was caught flat-footed in this one.

Trump will go down has having done a fantastic job. Might as well go ahead and accept that reality.
 
Drawdown said:
why didn't hospitals do this themselves? I see no reason for Uncle Sam to be the supply clerk for private entities, many of which are for-profit. If anything this shows you why we shouldn't have a NHS type system.
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It's a wee bit hard to play catch up when the Trump administration's policy is to tell states they are on their own, but then at the same time act like a hoarder at the grocery store and then send people like Jared Kushner out to say "hey, you ****ers, this is our ****, not yours."

Let's simplify that.

Here's what the Trump administration is doing:

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Then states have to go shopping and see this:

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Then Trump and Jared Kushner walk out and do this instead of sending stuff they themselves hoarded to the states.

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W_Heisenberg said:
U.S. wasted months before preparing for virus pandemic



There is just no excuse for this, none.

After this is all over, it will be very important for the American people to hold the Trump administration to account for its failures.
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You mean it's important that the Democrats, who are in hope of winning the WH in Nov., hold the Trump admin. to account. :mrgreen:


As of today, and according to Nate Silver's fivethirtyeight, 49.2% of all Americans approve of Trump's response to Covid-19 and that number has remained consistent for the past week.
How Americans View The Coronavirus Crisis And Trump's Response | FiveThirtyEight
 
Fiddytree said:
It's a wee bit hard to play catch up when the Trump administration's policy is to tell states they are on their own, but then at the same time act like a hoarder at the grocery store and then send people like Jared Kushner out to say "hey, you ****ers, this is our ****, not yours."
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The VA, military, federal law enforcement, etc need PPE too. People like you act like this is buying up extra toilet paper. The demand for this stuff is global. In the mean time, if he were to turn it all over to New York, New Yorkers would just complain he isn't providing it to the VA, military, federal law enforcement, etc.
 
chuckiechan said:
But at the same time, democrats would in the same breath give Obama credit for Trump’s economy.

Historically, the USA is a “Just in time” operation. It is what it is, and in a year or two all will be forgotten.
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Fletch said:
No, you are comparing Trumps actions to what should have happened with the benefit of hindsight. Essentially, you are Monday Morning Quarterbacking.
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Similar to tossing crap at the wall and hoping it'll stick. ;)
 
Fletch said:
No, you are comparing Trumps actions to what should have happened with the benefit of hindsight. Essentially, you are Monday Morning Quarterbacking.
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Yes, I am, and Trump deserves the criticism.

This isn't our first rodeo as a country during a time of crisis. This isn't even our first pandemic.

You guys are like Tim Tebow fans that can't figure out why he keeps getting cut.
 
Drawdown said:
The VA, military, federal law enforcement, etc need PPE too. People like you act like this is buying up extra toilet paper. The demand for this stuff is global. In the mean time, if he were to turn it all over to New York, New Yorkers would just complain he isn't providing it to the VA, military, federal law enforcement, etc.
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For Christ's sake. Even if this made the least bit of sense, the feds are seizing equipment already bought and paid for by states, en route to their destination.
 
Drawdown said:
why didn't hospitals do this themselves? I see no reason for Uncle Sam to be the supply clerk for private entities, many of which are for-profit. If anything this shows you why we shouldn't have a NHS type system.
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For one, hospitals are mostly for-profit entities. They aren't going to spend hundreds of thousands on ventilators on the chance they may need them for a month after which they'll sit in storage for years requiring constant maintenance.

No hospital administrator in a million would make that call.

Once the pandemic became clear, and it was clear that we had certain vital shortages, the federal government is the only game in town. Coordinating disaster relief is exactly what FEMA is designed to do. Funny how inept FEMA is whenever there's a government-hating Republican administration in power. We saw it in Katrina, we saw it in Puerto Rico, we see it today.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
Yes, I am, and Trump deserves the criticism.

This isn't our first rodeo as a country during a time of crisis. This isn't even our first pandemic.

You guys are like Tim Tebow fans that can't figure out why he keeps getting cut.
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But if you want to claim Trump is doing a bad job you have to say in comparison to what or whom. You are comparing him to the perfection of hindsight when you should be comparing him to how others in his similar position have handled the problem. The truth is, he is doing better than most and you would acknowledge this if you were governed solely by your hatred for the man.
 
Drawdown said:
so? The state are doing the same thing and apparently New York is so entitled they want to bring back indentured servitude. Coronavirus: Cuomo to seize, redistribute medical supplies From Drafting Doctors to Stealing Equipment, Politicians Violate the Limits of a Free Society – Reason.com
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Exactly. Why the **** does any of this make sense? From the very beginning this administration had the power to greatly reduce the burden of state and local governments and communities, but they chose not to. On top of that, they are deliberately getting in the way of states even trying to help themselves. This induces Cuomo to scare the living crap out of any disabled or elderly person who owns their own ventilators, to add on to yet another worry these people have to have (P&A's and Arcs across the country are suing, coordinating with state governments to try to ensure that the elderly and the disabled get fair shot at medical treatment).
 
Fletch said:
No, you are comparing Trumps actions to what should have happened with the benefit of hindsight. Essentially, you are Monday Morning Quarterbacking.
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Just about the entire non-Trump nation was up in arms when Trump targeted Easter for ending the restrictions. That wasn't after the fact.

We knew, and said, at the time that Trump was living in a fantasy world.

You can go back and check the threads here on DP. No one who wasn't in Trump La-La Land believed for a second that the crisis would be over by Easter.

That's not Monday Morning QB'ing, that just living in the real world.
 
jpn said:
For one, hospitals are mostly for-profit entities. They aren't going to spend hundreds of thousands on ventilators on the chance they may need them for a month after which they'll sit in storage for years requiring constant maintenance.

No hospital administrator in a million would make that call.

Once the pandemic became clear, and it was clear that we had certain vital shortages, the federal government is the only game in town. Coordinating disaster relief is exactly what FEMA is designed to do. Funny how inept FEMA is whenever there's a government-hating Republican administration in power. We saw it in Katrina, we saw it in Puerto Rico, we see it today.
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Only about half of US hospitals are for-profit and no this really isn't what FEMA is designed to do. FEMA is a rare two-budget agency. They have a normal administrative overhear budget which is rather small. They are not budgeted much for disasters/relief until after they actually happen and additional funding is supplied.
 
Fletch said:
But if you want to claim Trump is doing a bad job you have to say in comparison to what or whom. You are comparing him to the perfection of hindsight when you should be comparing him to how others in his similar position have handled the problem. The truth is, he is doing better than most and you would acknowledge this if you were governed solely by your hatred for the man.
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I think South Korea, Taiwan, and Germany have done a much better job than the U.S. thus far, so no, I don't agree with your assertion that I am comparing Trump to some perfect ideal, just as the reason why Tim Tebow kept getting cut was his performance compared to other quarterbacks in the NFL, and nothing at all to do with how many times he prayed in public. We should have reacted at least as competently as those countries. I think our country has a problem if Trump supporters cannot accept the fact that Trump is capable of making mistakes, and should be held to account for making mistakes. We have quantifiable, specific, actual things we can point to that Trump failed to do, and Trump supporters simply cannot accept it. This failure to prepare our stockpile is just one of the dozens of things we can immediately point to where Trump failed. I understand part of the reason for this delusional acceptance of Trump's incompetence is that Trump supporters are brainwashing themselves with Hannity every night. So I can't blame you guys entirely. But for you guys to pretend Trump didn't make mistakes and shouldn't be held to account for those mistakes...I think that's crazy. What's the phrase? TDS? Trump should be criticized for his mistakes. Trump should be held to account for his mistakes. And Trump supporters need to accept the reality of the situation we are in, which was made worse by Trump's general lack of concern and general incompetence.
 
Drawdown said:
Only about half of US hospitals are for-profit and no this really isn't what FEMA is designed to do. FEMA is a rare two-budget agency. They have a normal administrative overhear budget which is rather small. They are not budgeted much for disasters/relief until after they actually happen and additional funding is supplied.
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So you are saying that non-profit hospitals are more likely to stock up on highly expensive equipment and maintain it for years in anticipation of a once-in-a-lifetime event? M'kay.

Right. FEMA doesn't sit on a $2 trillion budget on the off chance it may be needed sometime. I think most of us already knew that.

What they do do, though, or I should say, should do, is anticipate crises and then step in and provide the necessary expertise and coordination so that relief supplies are delivered as efficiently as possible.

But Trump's FEMA still hasn't gotten their arms around this fiasco.
 
Fiddytree said:
Exactly. Why the **** does any of this make sense? From the very beginning this administration had the power to greatly reduce the burden of state and local governments and communities, but they chose not to. On top of that, they are deliberately getting in the way of states even trying to help themselves. This induces Cuomo to scare the living crap out of any disabled or elderly person who owns their own ventilators, to add on to yet another worry these people have to have (P&A's and Arcs across the country are suing, coordinating with state governments to try to ensure that the elderly and the disabled get fair shot at medical treatment).
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Because the federal government does not have the power to reduce burdens. It has the same burden as New York, as Italy, as London. They are not deliberately getting in the way. They are deliberately doing what they can to provide for their own needs first, as is New York, Italy, and London. The time to build new doors to keep people from being trampled is before the crisis happens and there was no political will to do that before now. Not at the federal level. Not at the state level. Not at the local level. Building high speed trains to nowhere gets you more votes than "Hey, lets build a warehouse and fill it with a billion dollars worth of hospital gowns and face masks just in case they come in handy one day."
 
chuckiechan said:
Ah, the fuel that drives the TDS engine!
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The Trump Gold Card is incredible. People say it's amazing. I've been told it's by far the best card ever produced in the entire universe. It's way better than Visa or MasterCard which are total losers.
 
trixare4kids said:
Did Biden beg for a donation to his campaign yet?

If you'll notice, compared to Trump, he's not doing so hot.
Summary data for Joe Biden, 2020 cycle • OpenSecrets
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He doesn't need much money. Trump's public incoherence and incompetence is free advertising for Biden.

See where Trump said health officials recommend that people to wear masks, but then said he won't wear one himself? "It’s only a recommendation,” Trump told reporters at the White House on Friday. “You don’t have to do it.”

What a moron.
 
Drawdown said:
Because the federal government does not have the power to reduce burdens. It has the same burden as New York, as Italy, as London. They are not deliberately getting in the way. They are deliberately doing what they can to provide for their own needs first, as is New York, Italy, and London. The time to build new doors to keep people from being trampled is before the crisis happens and there was no political will to do that before now. Not at the federal level. Not at the state level. Not at the local level. Building high speed trains to nowhere gets you more votes than "Hey, lets build a warehouse and fill it with a billion dollars worth of hospital gowns and face masks just in case they come in handy one day."
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Dude, just stop writing.
 
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