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    Re: ederal Government Outbids Kentucky For Medical Equipment Amid Shortage

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    Well, Trump's Krushner said 'The stockpile is for federal use, not state use', so he's not going to be sending any of those supplies to states.

    Now, the federal government is outbidding states that need the medical equipment.

    Federal Government Outbids Kentucky For Medical Equipment Amid Shortage



    Thanks Trump.

    It has nothing to do with Trump, right now everyone wants medical supplies and there’s not enough to go around and so some people will outbid others and some have a greater need then others. The federal government is distributing large amounts of material and needs to replace it and Kentucky is not as high a priority.

    There is zero politically realistic scenarios where there would be sufficient production so it’s really dumb to complain about it, it would be like complaining about the existence of gravity. There is no legitimate complaint
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    Re: ederal Government Outbids Kentucky For Medical Equipment Amid Shortage

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    It has nothing to do with Trump...
    Yes, it does.

    Trump has the legal power to require companies to produce necessary equipment, and coordinate distribution among the states. He should have done that months ago. Trump has used the DPA over and over and over during his term, so whatever excuses he spun to not do it for COVID-19 are sheer bull****.

    Instead, he's telling governors -- of "Red" and "Blue" states alike -- to go get their own. This is driving up prices, including when the federal government is bidding as well.

    Plus, the strategic reserve was intended for distribution to the states. Jared's answer to state's requests? Change the website! Yep, that's right, after Jared insisted the reserve wasn't for the states, they removed the following text from the site:

    “When state, local, tribal, and territorial responders request federal assistance to support their response efforts, the stockpile ensures that the right medicines and supplies get to those who need them most during an emergency,"

    I really wish I was making this up. But, I'm not.


    The federal government is distributing large amounts of material and needs to replace it and Kentucky is not as high a priority.
    No, they aren't distributing "large amounts of material" right now. That's part of the problem.

    For example, they just sent a whopping 200 ventilators to Louisiana. They requested 5,000 from the federal government. (They are also trying to get an additional 9,000 on their own.)

    Thanks, Jared.


    There is zero politically realistic scenarios where there would be sufficient production so it’s really dumb to complain about it, it would be like complaining about the existence of gravity. There is no legitimate complaint
    Dude? That's completely insane.

    Where there are shortfalls, the federal government should be doing everything it can to help the states, including commandeer production. Instead, they're taking away supplies from the states, and driving up prices.

    It is utterly galling that the White House is basically doing nothing but making things worse for the entire nation -- and that some people still defend their utter ineptitude.
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    Re: ederal Government Outbids Kentucky For Medical Equipment Amid Shortage

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    Well, Trump's Krushner said 'The stockpile is for federal use, not state use', so he's not going to be sending any of those supplies to states.

    Now, the federal government is outbidding states that need the medical equipment.

    Federal Government Outbids Kentucky For Medical Equipment Amid Shortage



    Thanks Trump.
    Well, you want all the states to get their full orders. That can't happen if the Feds can't get their hands on the gear.

    So much to bitch about, so little time.

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    Re: ederal Government Outbids Kentucky For Medical Equipment Amid Shortage

    Who did Kentucky go for in 2016, again?
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    Re: ederal Government Outbids Kentucky For Medical Equipment Amid Shortage

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    It has nothing to do with Trump, right now everyone wants medical supplies and there’s not enough to go around and so some people will outbid others and some have a greater need then others. The federal government is distributing large amounts of material and needs to replace it and Kentucky is not as high a priority.

    There is zero politically realistic scenarios where there would be sufficient production so it’s really dumb to complain about it, it would be like complaining about the existence of gravity. There is no legitimate complaint
    So if trump claims in his daily bull**** pressers that the states are responsible for their own supplies, then why are the feds out bidding them?
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    Trump has the legal power to require companies to produce necessary equipment, and coordinate distribution among the states.
    They are doing doing that-- where needed. Companies are producing without such demands.

    He should have done that months ago.
    When? During impeachment when his detractors were complaining about his dictatorial tendencies?
    And while China lying about what they knew?


    Instead, he's telling governors -- of "Red" and "Blue" states alike -- to go get their own.
    He is telling them that the Feds are the last resort and the states are on the front lines. He is saying they should not be sitting waiting for the feds to show up.

    This is driving up prices, including when the federal government is bidding as well.
    This is a fair point. It was explained the other day that this based upon existing supply lines and chains. Which is understandable. The obvious question is whether those lines can and should be upended.

    Plus, the strategic reserve was intended for distribution to the states. Jared's answer to state's requests? Change the website! Yep, that's right, after Jared insisted the reserve wasn't for the states, they removed the following text from the site:

    “When state, local, tribal, and territorial responders request federal assistance to support their response efforts, the stockpile ensures that the right medicines and supplies get to those who need them most during an emergency,"
    Yes-- this is what Kushner said-- the supplies go to where they are more urgently needed ahead of where they are less urgently needed.
    It is mysterious why this is a problem.




    No, they aren't distributing "large amounts of material" right now. That's part of the problem.

    For example, they just sent a whopping 200 ventilators to Louisiana. They requested 5,000 from the federal government.
    Their isn't 5000 ventilators for Louisiana sitting in storage.
    There is not 5000 ventilators for anyone sitting in storage.





    Where there are shortfalls, the federal government should be doing everything it can to help the states, including commandeer production.
    Which is happening.

    Instead, they're taking away supplies from tstates, and driving up prices.
    Or they are trying to allocate resources to where they are needed NOW, as opposed to allocating resources where they MIGHT be needed LATER.
    It is mysterious why this is considered a bad strategy.

    It is utterly galling that the White House is basically doing nothing but making things worse for the entire nation -- and that some people still defend their utter ineptitude.
    The immediate problem is that there isn't an industrial base in the USA to crank out the required products at the drop of a hat.
    That would be true whether Mrs. Clinton had won the election in 2016.

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    Re: ederal Government Outbids Kentucky For Medical Equipment Amid Shortage

    Trump to governors: “buy your own medical supplies.”

    Trump is trolling the country.

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    Re: ederal Government Outbids Kentucky For Medical Equipment Amid Shortage

    Quote Originally Posted by Athanasius68 View Post
    They are doing doing that-- where needed. Companies are producing without such demands.
    Oh, really? Problem solved? Tell that to the governors (and hospitals and doctors and nurses) who can't get what they need, and lose to the federal government in bidding wars for equipment.


    When?
    Mid- or late February.

    The White House should have known, by the middle of February at the latest, how bad this might get; what supplies were available; how long it would take to ramp up production; that China's own medical supply output might not be available; and how to coordinate a national response. Instead, Trump kept saying "it'll go away."


    And while China lying about what they knew?
    The WHO confirmed that COVID-19 is transmitted from person-to-person around January 19th.


    He is telling them that the Feds are the last resort and the states are on the front lines. He is saying they should not be sitting waiting for the feds to show up.
    No, he is literally telling them “The Federal government is not supposed to be out there buying vast amounts of items and then shipping. You know, we’re not a shipping clerk.” He's been saying stuff like that for weeks.

    What if there was a terrorist attack that killed just 1000 people? "Well, I'd like to help, but that's not my table. States need to handle their own anti-terrorist efforts." That won't fly.


    This is a fair point. It was explained the other day that this based upon existing supply lines and chains.
    It's also a direct result of states and the federal government competing against one another. Using the DPA ensures that the prices will be reasonable, and that supplies will be allocated based on need.


    Yes-- this is what Kushner said-- the supplies go to where they are more urgently needed ahead of where they are less urgently needed. It is mysterious why this is a problem.
    Because supplies aren't going anywhere.

    Any day now, NYC will be short of ventilators. It turns out the federal government may still have 10,000 ventilators in reserve. What are they waiting for?


    Their isn't 5000 ventilators for Louisiana sitting in storage.
    Turns out Trump said the feds are sitting on 10,000 ventilators. Do you believe him?


    Which is happening.
    It really isn't:

    Although FEMA’s administrator, Pete Gaynor, announced on CNN last week that the DPA would be used to procure testing kits, the agency retracted the statement after Trump tweeted that he hadn’t had to use it “because no one has said NO!” In the face of mounting pressure from the national-security community and both Republican and Democratic lawmakers, Trump has nominally embraced the statute, but for the limited purpose of singling out companies for undefined deficiencies.

    Trump began late last month by criticizing GM for “wasting time” and issuing a memorandum directing the secretary of health and human services to require GM to prioritize the government’s requests for ventilators under the statute. According to GM, however, the memorandum had no effect on its already-announced plans to make ventilators at one of its Indiana plants, and the administration has provided no details to the contrary. Last Friday, Trump issued another memorandum empowering the HHS secretary to procure N95 masks from 3M Company, but the administration’s biggest move has been to block the company from fulfilling overseas contracts, prompting 3M to issue a press release warning that international retaliation would result in a net loss of masks available in the United States.

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    Or they are trying to allocate resources to where they are needed NOW, as opposed to allocating resources where they MIGHT be needed LATER.
    No, dude, that's not happening. If that were the case, then the federal government would be sending supplies and equipment to New York and Louisiana, not editing websites to make it seem like it's fine to sit on equipment.


    The immediate problem is that there isn't an industrial base in the USA to crank out the required products at the drop of a hat.
    That would be true whether Mrs. Clinton had won the election in 2016.
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    US manufacturing output is close to record highs. America manufactures as much, if not more, goods than ever. You're clearly mistaking "manufacturing employment" with "manufacturing capacity."

    We do not specifically make some of this type of medical equipment, and changing capacity can't be done overnight.
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    Re: ederal Government Outbids Kentucky For Medical Equipment Amid Shortage

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    Oh, really? Problem solved? Tell that to the governors (and hospitals and doctors and nurses) who can't get what they need, and lose to the federal government in bidding wars for equipment.
    Yes-- there is a supply issue.
    Due to lack of production capacity.


    Mid- or late February.

    The White House should have known, by the middle of February at the latest, how bad this might get; what supplies were available; how long it would take to ramp up production; that China's own medical supply output might not be available; and how to coordinate a national response. Instead, Trump kept saying "it'll go away."
    He wasn't the only one.



    The WHO confirmed that COVID-19 is transmitted from person-to-person around January 19th.
    And China knew this before that and lied.
    Meanwhile, the feds had already issued warnings against travelling to Wuhan, restrictions upon entry and so forth.


    No, he is literally telling them “The Federal government is not supposed to be out there buying vast amounts of items and then shipping. You know, we’re not a shipping clerk.” He's been saying stuff like that for weeks.
    Yes-- the feds are the last resort.

    What if there was a terrorist attack that killed just 1000 people? "Well, I'd like to help, but that's not my table. States need to handle their own anti-terrorist efforts." That won't fly.
    Health issues are state issues.



    It's also a direct result of states and the federal government competing against one another. Using the DPA ensures that the prices will be reasonable, and that supplies will be allocated based on need.
    Existing supply lines, yes. That is what the admin has said.



    Because supplies aren't going anywhere.
    Yes- they are.

    Any day now, NYC will be short of ventilators. It turns out the federal government may still have 10,000 ventilators in reserve. What are they waiting for?
    For the need. As it has been explained, its easier to ship them out then to get them back if they need to be shipped elsewhere.

    Turns out Trump said the feds are sitting on 10,000 ventilators. Do you believe him?
    No reason to think he is misinformed.



    It really isn't:

    [color=blue]Although FEMA’s administrator, Pete Gaynor, announced on CNN last week that the DPA would be used to procure testing kits, the agency retracted the statement after Trump tweeted that he hadn’t had to use it “because no one has said NO!” In the face of mounting pressure from the national-security community and both Republican and Democratic lawmakers, Trump has nominally embraced the statute, but for the limited purpose of singling out companies for undefined deficiencies.
    Yes-- if somebody already producing testing kits or ventilators, why do we need to use the DPA to tell them to make testing kits or ventilators?
    The idea was to use the DPA to order the manufacturers of the component parts used to make test kids or ventilators to make those parts. Apparently, that has been thus ordered.

    Trump began late last month by criticizing GM for “wasting time” and issuing a memorandum directing the secretary of health and human services to require GM to prioritize the government’s requests for ventilators under the statute. According to GM, however, the memorandum had no effect on its already-announced plans to make ventilators at one of its Indiana plants,
    Thank you-- as above.

    Last Friday, Trump issued another memorandum empowering the HHS secretary to procure N95 masks from 3M Company, but the administration’s biggest move has been to block the company from fulfilling overseas contracts, prompting 3M to issue a press release warning that international retaliation would result in a net loss of masks available in the United States.
    Ok-- 3M is not the State Dept. Maybe they are correct, maybe they are incorrect.





    No, dude, that's not happening. If that were the case, then the federal government would be sending supplies and equipment to New York and Louisiana, not editing websites to make it seem like it's fine to sit on equipment.
    They are sending supplies to New York and Louisiana.





    US manufacturing output is close to record highs. America manufactures as much, if not more, goods than ever. You're clearly mistaking "manufacturing employment" with "manufacturing capacity."
    I said the industrial base doesn't support cranking out the required products at the drop of a hat.

    We do not specifically make some of this type of medical equipment, and changing capacity can't be done overnight.
    Yes. Thank you-- as above.

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    The Republican gas lighting in this thread has just created a singularity.

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