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Was Trump right to back the firing of Capt. Crozier

RetiredUSN said:
The C.O. was a captain....not a admiral.

Trump wasn't even told of his firing until afterwards.
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Thx for the correction. I didn't say Trump fired him. I asked A/O who he would rather have on his team.
 
AlphaOmega said:
There you have it folks...lefty here doesn't want to blame china but had no problem blaming Trump.
Why should we blame china? Because they lied about it and it spread to our nation and killed Americans. Jesus dude wake the **** up.
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Indeed and I can say from here in China the mass of Chinese people are smiling, beaming, gloating over the fact thousands of Americans are dying of their Wuhan China Covid-19 Global Plague they've unleashed against the civilized world and that the USA economy is in a wreckage.

It confirms to the vast majority of Chinese people that the CCP Boyz in Beijing are in fact the Chinese geniuses they need to be in the 21st century. USA and Japan have always been the number one co-enemy of the Dictator Tyrants in Beijing who have conditioned the population to side with 'em on it. There's concern now btw that Taiwan's security may be in jeopardy in any of the several ways Beijing has on the drawing board.
 
snakestretcher said:
You're not remotely interested in "origins", you just want to argue for the sake of arguing because you can't lose with dignity. Now go away, do something useful and bother someone who gives an actual ****
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Lose? I am waiting for you to state which ebola. Some strains are from the congo and some originated from an export facility in the phillipines. Are you talking about the strains which only infect humans or primates?
I don't think its asking too much for you to tell us which virus you were talking about since YOU brought it up. Obviously you didn't actually know which one were you talking about and now are trying to bail. Do you really need to bail on your own argument so soon? I don't. I'm ready to discuss whenever you tell us which ebola you we talking about.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Perhaps reparations too.

We need to talk about that.
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**** "reparations". There needs to be a reckoning. China is moving hard and fast to take advantage of the chaos and death they caused; the CCP needs to lose, and lose badly.
 
AlphaOmega said:
Lose? I am waiting for you to state which ebola. Some strains are from the congo and some originated from an export facility in the phillipines. Are you talking about the strains which only infect humans or primates?
I don't think its asking too much for you to tell us which virus you were talking about since YOU brought it up. Obviously you didn't actually know which one were you talking about and now are trying to bail. Do you really need to bail on your own argument so soon? I don't. I'm ready to discuss whenever you tell us which ebola you we talking about.
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Yep....he bailed on his own argument.
 
apdst said:
The service has rules. The captain violated those rules. As a senior officer, he knew better. He got what he deserved. He oughta be drummed out of the service.
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Maybe put on trial and imprisoned. Also, the hundreds of sailors who cheered him showed great disloyalty to their country. Expel them, too. Give the top trouble makers a few years behind bars. This is America after all.
 
cpwill said:
**** "reparations". There needs to be a reckoning. China is moving hard and fast to take advantage of the chaos and death they caused; the CCP needs to lose, and lose badly.
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And how exactly is China performing this fantasy of yours?
 
JackA said:
Maybe put on trial and imprisoned. Also, the hundreds of sailors who cheered him showed great disloyalty to their country. Expel them, too. Give the top trouble makers a few years behind bars. This is America after all.
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This is the navy!!!! Bring back flogging! The beatings will continue until the morale improves!
 
Of course Trump was right to back the firing of Captain Crozier. Regardless of your motives, in the military a person is not entitled to make their own rules. There is a chain of command for a reason.
 
Dayton3 said:
Of course Trump was right to back the firing of Captain Crozier. Regardless of your motives, in the military a person is not entitled to make their own rules. There is a chain of command for a reason.
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Said every nazi ever
 
Dayton3 said:
Calley was not executed. he wasn't even imprisoned for very long.
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To America's eternal shame. He should have been executed for murder, just as he had executed unarmed civilian men, women and children. But, y'know, you can't have the US public losing trust in the military, so let him off with house arrest for a while. That'll teach him.
 
grip said:
Was Trump right to back the firing of Capt. Crozier?

Trump Backs Dismissal of USS Roosevelt Captain - WSJ

WASHINGTON-President Trump said he agreed with the Navy's decision to fire Capt. Brett Crozier, the commanding officer of the USS Theodore Roosevelt, after a memo in which the captain pleaded for help with a coronavirus outbreak at sea leaked to the media.

The president said Saturday that it was inappropriate for Capt. Crozier to write the four-page memo in which he demanded that superiors allow him to take the carrier to the port in Guam to offload sailors stricken with Covid-19, the pneumonialike disease caused by the virus. As of Saturday, 155 of the ship's sailors had tested positive.

Capt. Brett Crozier was cheered by fellow sailors as he disembarked the coronavirus-stricken USS Theodore Roosevelt. He was relieved of duty on Thursday after his superiors said he had lost his ability to lead.
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Yes. His Secretary of Navy and Admiralty made the decision to remove this officer and Trump should not be involved.
 
grip said:
When the rules are wrong or orders unlawful, they should be violated.
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It is not not unlawful to expect a Captain to communicate memos only through approved communications channels
 
snakestretcher said:
To America's eternal shame. He should have been executed for murder, just as he had executed unarmed civilian men, women and children. But, y'know, you can't have the US public losing trust in the military, so let him off with house arrest for a while. That'll teach him.
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IIRC what I've read there was massive public support for Calley because many saw him as being a scapegoat for flawed U.S. policy in Vietnam.
 
ldsrptcvt said:
I doubt that "raising the temperature internally, threatening to resign and even resigning" would get help to the ship fast enough - too much red tape
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BS. A ship commander resigns and heads spin.


He chose fame. Fawning non-military idiots to praise his name. That's what he wanted and what he got. 15 minutes paid for by the US military.
 
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snakestretcher said:
You have to earn respect, not demand it.
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Leftist atheist losers will never believe Jesus has earned their respect. Not only that but Hillary and other deluded democrat mobsters have proven no conservative republican will ever earn their respect. Those democrat bozos see conservative republicans as deplorable enemies of the Democrat Communist Party of the USA.
 
ecofarm said:
BS. A ship commander resigns and heads spin.


He chose fame. Fawning non-military idiots to praise his name. That's what he wanted and what he got. 15 minutes paid for by the US military.
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How did he choose fame? That is nonsense
 
Tangmo said:
The way I heard it, when Trump showed up at Norfolk Navy Base the other day he got cheers and underarm farts. :lamo

Haven't seen any videos so I'll have to go with my sources on that.

Reliable sources that they've always been. :)
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Want a comparison
 
vegas giants said:
How did he choose fame? That is nonsense
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It's not his fault that his name is in the papers? So we only do the personal responsibility thing with Trump?
 
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