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In Britain's Triage System, Fear That ˜Terrible Decisions Could Be Made"

Irredentist said:
And not every country with "socialized medicine" is either.

So what does that prove?

****ing nothing. So stop your sermon against universal healthcare. It's wrong and stupid.
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PoS said:
Triage in America is only being planned, not yet implemented. Our HC is holding its own so far, such is not the case in Europe, so wake up and smell the coffee. :coffeepap
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Another stupid lie from the guy who chose "PoS" as his posting name....

Privatized hospitals ARE making decisions about how to provide care for and who not to provide care for. What'll happen if someone wastes the time to post links proving it? Will you attack them one last time and jump thread?

At the Top of the Covid-19 Curve, How Do Hospitals Decide Who Gets Treatment? - The New York Times

Coronavirus triage: The grim ethical dilemma of rationing medical care - Vox

Hospitals redeploy specialists to COVID-19 front lines

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/31/new-york-city-hospitals-coronavirus/


Title: "How hospitals will decide who lives and who dies in the COVID-19 crisis"

How hospitals will decide who lives and who dies in the COVID-19 crisis | TheHill


The wise thing to do would be to stop exclusively taking your "fake news" from right wing sites whose only goal is to protect Trump from criticizism for having spent months lying, denying, and deflecting - getting people killed in a hopeless effort to keep his economic numbers up - and instead turn to honest news sources.

Then you won't fail so hard as you did in this thread. But I bet you won't.
 
Mr Person said:
Another stupid, ignorant, and dishonest post.

Your OP claimed that only socialized medicine is doing this. You were shown that this was 100% BS. Now you're trying to move the goalpost to "not every state"?

What an idiotic attempt to move the goalpost.

:lamo

If privatized medicine is making the same decisions that socialized medicine is, and it is, then your OP is 100% BS. It doesn't need to be every private hospital (or, according to you, states....which doesn't make sense since the state doesn't own and run the privatized hospitals making the same decisions as socialized ones in the UK).

Look, it's simple. You failed, as always. And as always, your response to failing is to start throwing poop at everyone who pointed out your fail.
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Wrong, triage has not been implemented by our government. If states want to do it, then they are free to do so. Your deceptions and lies fail as usual, so go back downstairs where you belong.
 
PoS said:
In Britain’s Triage System, Fear That ‘Terrible Decisions Could Be Made’ - The New York Times





Socialized medicine = triage.
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You have to make such decisions.

The America alternative is to kill the poor.

The UK NHS looks at life expectancy and quality of life. This is then compared to the budget. You will get pain relief and very good palitive care if you fall the worng side of the line.

I prefer a system that spends more on young people than the old. I don't like a system that keeps the very old and rich alive at the expense of allowing the children of poor people to die of simple things that could be fixed easily.

If you want to, in the UK, you can pay for additional health care. Your budget is your limit. Same as USA. But there is a safety net. I like that.
 
PoS said:
Stalker alert #34.

You cant debate for anything, so its all nothing but insults. No one is surprised by your sociopathic behavior anymore.
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:lamo

In one single, childish response, you proved that your OP was completely empty of logic or facts. :lol:
 
PoS said:
Wrong, triage has not been implemented by our government. If states want to do it, then they are free to do so. Your deceptions and lies fail as usual, so go back downstairs where you belong.
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:lamo

Now this is too funny.

First you attack socialized medicine for what you call "triage". It is shown to be a massive fail (or lie), since privatized hospitals are doing it too.

Then you try to move the goal post to every state doing it, but that is also shown to be a very stupid and dishonest thing to say. States aren't running privatized hospitals, and whether or not every hospital in every state does it has nothing to do with your OP being an idiotic attempt to attack "socialized medicine".

So now - get this - now, even though we have privatized medicine here in America, you are trying to claim that actually the states don't matter and only the federal government having triage matters. You're trying to put a soccer goal on a chessboard and declaring victory.

EXCEPT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CANNOT HAVE TRIAGE BECAUSE IT IS NOT THE ONE RUNNING THE PRIVATIZED HOSPITALS. You know. In the same way state governments aren't. Because "privatized", remember?

You either told a very stupid lie, or you made a very stupid mistake. Instead of saying "oops", you just keep doubling down. It's beyond stupid.
 
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PoS said:
Wrong, triage has not been implemented by our government. If states want to do it, then they are free to do so. Your deceptions and lies fail as usual, so go back downstairs where you belong.
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States ARE your government. We get reminded that every time the subject of mandated measures comes up.
You have nowhere to stand here.

Does your fed even have the authority to dictate that kind of policy? If not, well, you might want to go easy on the words "lies and deception".
 
Lutherf said:
You might notice that when the government makes these decisions it's all good. If an insurance company were to make the same decision, however...
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Insurance companies are making the decision based on profit, so yes. It's different.
 
Deuce said:
Insurance companies are making the decision based on profit, so yes. It's different.
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Right. Dead is only dead if the government says it's dead.
 
apdst said:
Canada is 16 days behind the U.S., too.
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First case in Canada- Jan.15

Epidemiological summary of COVID-19 cases in Canada - Canada.ca

"The date of symptom onset of the first case of COVID-19 reported in Canada became ill on January 15, 2020."

The first case in the USA- Jan.20

Coronavirus in the US: Latest COVID-19 news and case counts | Live Science

"Since the novel coronavirus called SARS-CoV-2 was first detected in the U.S. on Jan. 20, it has spread to at least 245,601 people in the U.S., across all 50 states.
 
Lutherf said:
Right. Dead is only dead if the government says it's dead.
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That's a weird interpretation of what I wrote.

I'm just hoping America finally realizes how terrible an idea it is to tie health insurance to employment.
 
apdst said:
Y'all been saying that socialized medicine is the only way to fly. Judging by how those systems are collapsing, it looks you all don't know what you're talking about.
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Who will be paying for the thousands and thousands of uninsured who contract COVID19 and need hospitalization?
 
apdst said:
Y'all been saying that socialized medicine is the only way to fly. Judging by how those systems are collapsing, it looks you all don't know what you're talking about.
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Our system is collapsing too.
 
BlueTex said:
Who will be paying for the thousands and thousands of uninsured who contract COVID19 and need hospitalization?
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The insurance companies, the patients and the tax payers.
 
Grand Mal said:
First case in Canada- Jan.15

Epidemiological summary of COVID-19 cases in Canada - Canada.ca

"The date of symptom onset of the first case of COVID-19 reported in Canada became ill on January 15, 2020."

The first case in the USA- Jan.20

Coronavirus in the US: Latest COVID-19 news and case counts | Live Science

"Since the novel coronavirus called SARS-CoV-2 was first detected in the U.S. on Jan. 20, it has spread to at least 245,601 people in the U.S., across all 50 states.
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Then I guess y'all don't need all our masks from 3M. :lamo
 
apdst said:
The insurance companies, the patients and the tax payers.
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Why would an insurance company pay for someone not insured by them? Did you happen to see the unemployment numbers? What happens to employer provide health insurance when you become unemployed?
 
apdst said:
No it's not. It's temperarily overwhelmed.
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If we reach 20%-30% unemployment, how are the unemployed going to buy health insurance?
 
BlueTex said:
If we reach 20%-30% unemployment, how are the unemployed going to buy health insurance?
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They won't, which is why we need to turn things back on as soon as possible.
 
BlueTex said:
Why would an insurance company pay for someone not insured by them? Did you happen to see the unemployment numbers? What happens to employer provide health insurance when you become unemployed?
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Where did I say that?
 
apdst said:
They won't, which is why we need to turn things back on as soon as possible.
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So the entire system depends on low unemployment?
 
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