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3M is going to be in the hot seat

vesper said:
No you were not factual. Even 3M has admitted it.
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show what i got wrong. post number and what causes it to be wrong is all that is needed

you won't because you can't
 
justabubba said:
show what i got wrong. post number and what causes it to be wrong is all that is needed

you won't because you can't
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The Regressive Left is all about applying the stink to those they hate, truth and decency they have no time for...keep that in mind,
 
Hawkeye10 said:
You tell me that I must read a 150 posts before I am to be allowed to speak and then you say this?

No, I am not having it.
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I still have no idea what your point is. I didn't tell you to do anything, let alone that you "must read 150 posts".

What is it that you have to say?

If you have a point, make it.
 
vesper said:
Lefties seem to be ignorant to the fact our government operates on a system of Federalism. Federalism divides responsibility. States are responsible to provide for their people and the Federal government is suppose to be the backup.

But you lefties have it ass backwards.
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For large scale national disasters where you need multiple industries, the military and large scale funding and planning, the federal government has always been the best tool for the job.

Or, do you not notice every time we have a hurricane, or flood that the states generally seek help from the fed?
 
Atomic Kid said:
This is why people have been critical of this administration's choice to rely on the private sector in it's response this crisis. The for profit motive of the private sector doesn't always align with the public need and interest and government's mission in providing and safeguarding those needs and interests that don't lend themselves to being profitable. That is how we ended up in the insane scenario that has the states competing with each and even the federal government for scarce resources driving up prices and cost for all at the worst possible time.
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Almost makes you think they want it this way, doesn't it?
 
nota bene said:
Blame-gaming isn't helpful. But props for being consistent: Everything is Trump's fault.
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I knew this was intended to be a troll thread as soon as I read "The opening piece on "Tucker Carlson"... Thanks for demonstrating the truth of that impression. Now I can move on to serious discussions.
 
eohrnberger said:
I do believe that FEMA and the military are in the procurement and distribution roles already, along with others from the administration.

www.fema.gov › blog › fema-leads-whole-government-coronavirus-o...
Mar 25, 2020 - Under the direction of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, ... This includes using its Logistics Supply Chain Management System to procure and ... to the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for construction of alternate care ...

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Response | FEMA.gov
[url]www.fema.gov › coronavirus[/URL]
5 hours ago - The federal government continues taking aggressive and proactive steps to address the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic.

Coronavirus (COVID) 19 Pandemic: Supply Chain ... - FEMA
[url]www.fema.gov › news-release › 2020/03/30 › coronavirus-covid-19-...[/URL]
3 days ago - The task force's primary effort is the sourcing of personal protective equipment, ventilators and other critical resources to respond to requests by ...Missing: military ‎| Must include: military

www.fema.gov › news-release › fema-administrator-march-27-2020-l...
7 days ago - Fellow Emergency Managers,The coronavirus disease 2019 ... Ask your FEMA Regional Administrator to brief you on the US Army Corps of ... the globe; 3) distribute them to locations most in need; and 4) build capacity in ...

Coronavirus Roundup: FEMA Now Leads the Federal Response
[url]www.govexec.com › workforce › 2020/03 › coronavirus-roundup-fe...[/URL]
Mar 19, 2020 - President Trump speaks during press briefing with the coronavirus task ... coronavirus testing because of the “hundreds of thousands of military and ... law to “mass produce and coordinate distribution of these critical supplies, ...

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Trump has said that FEMA is the "backup" for States who must all strive to obtain what they need themselves. He is having FEMA bid against States for supplies and then sending them to "loyal" Governors. That is not "management" it is competition and a recipe for disaster. When more people die because needed supplies are not properly allocated it will be Trumps fault. It appears Trump is trying to put the blame on the States when the going gets tough in an astoundingly cowardly and partisan way. Trump again shames us in front of the world.

On Thursday, Washington Gov. Jay Inslee, a Democrat, pleaded with Trump during a conference call with the governors to take more dramatic federal action to secure medical supplies for his state, one of the hardest hit, according to four people familiar with the call.

After Trump told the group that his administration was ready to be the “backup” for states in crisis, Inslee interjected: “We don’t need a backup. We need a Tom Brady,” a reference to the Super Bowl-winning quarterback who has been friendly with the president, said those familiar with the exchange, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the private conference call.
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https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/inslee-clashes-with-trump-over-his-leadership-on-federal-coronavirus-aid/
 
SLC said:
Because I have a son that is a paramedic fireman and needs mask and PPE and it should be going to Americans like him that may be called upon to protect people like you.
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If you have a hard on for anybody about this, it should be for your president who sat on his ass in January bitching about hoaxes and telling people it was just a flu and to keep going out and just wash their hands. The entire delay of action and unorganized chaos in dealing with this virus in 2020 is the fault of the incompetent child in the white house. Maybe you should direct your frustration and anger to the person at the top for once, cowardly not to.

The Trump administration could have started to do more in January when it became clear that Covid-19 could pose a threat to the entire world. But, Konyndyk said, the administration just didn’t do that: “What that prompted on our side was travel bans but no serious action to reinforce domestic readiness.”

So now doctors and nurses are forced to resort to bandanas, trash bags, and homemade equipment instead of actual protective gear.
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Coronavirus: The mask and PPE shortage, explained - Vox
 
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iguanaman said:
Trump has said that FEMA is the "backup" for States who must all strive to obtain what they need themselves. He is having FEMA bid against States for supplies and then sending them to "loyal" Governors. That is not "management" it is competition and a recipe for disaster. When more people die because needed supplies are not properly allocated it will be Trumps fault. It appears Trump is trying to put the blame on the States when the going gets tough in an astoundingly cowardly and partisan way. Trump again shames us in front of the world.



Governors frustrated with Trump’s offer of ‘backup’ | The Seattle Times
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Exactly, all you say is true. Trump is doing what he does best, blame and criticize everyone else for his incompetency. He's never admitted fault for anything and has never apologized for anything....he's a lowly POS and a disgrace to our country.
 
NWRatCon said:
I knew this was intended to be a troll thread as soon as I read "The opening piece on "Tucker Carlson"... Thanks for demonstrating the truth of that impression. Now I can move on to serious discussions.
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I realize that you saw commenting as an opportunity, but just so you know going forward, I never begin a thread with the intention of trolling, and my intended audience is never superficial knee-jerkers either. But you might want to take the time to notice that when I'm about to link a source, my usual way is to introduce the source followed by a colon to announce the quoted text. :3oops:
 
Barnacle said:
Probably because their production is in China. For a foreign company to operate in China, you have to agree to operate by their rules ...

Article from January 24 - "3M has dramatically boosted production of respiratory face masks in its Chinese factories in response to the sudden rise of a deadly coronavirus in Wuhan, China.

Chinese news agencies reported Friday that 3M had increased production after its plants ran out of stock in at least two locations in China. ..."

3M boosts production of face masks as coronavirus spreads in China - StarTribune.com
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Hey Barnacle hope you and yours are well. It is rather amazing after Trump invoked the DPA on 3M they said today it has secured China's approval to export to the U.S. 10 million N-95 respirators manufactured by the company in China. From what I read we have plants that make the masks here in the states but the state orders were not getting filled .

Coronavirus N95 Mask Shortage: Trump Invokes Defense Production Act Against 3M, Threatens Retaliation

The biggest lesson ? the U.S. address the real need to have all our medical supplies including drugs produced in the states. We need to be self-sufficient period.
 
nota bene said:
I realize that you saw commenting as an opportunity, but just so you know going forward, I never begin a thread with the intention of trolling, and my intended audience is never superficial knee-jerkers either. But you might want to take the time to notice that when I'm about to link a source, my usual way is to introduce the source followed by a colon to announce the quoted text. :3oops:
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I appreciate that you are embarrassed that the truth of my assertion has been demonstrated. Your proactive defensiveness is prevalent and persistent. I haven't tracked threads started by InfoWars, or the Blaze, either, for similar reasons. Are they favorites of yours as well?
 
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"Our country is in the midst of a great national trial, unlike any we have ever faced before. [...] We’re at war with a deadly virus. Success in this fight will require the full absolute measure of our collective strength, love, and devotion. It’s very important. Each of us has the power through our own choices and actions to save American lives and rescue the most vulnerable among us" President Trump said [yesterday].
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The potential of this disaster was known in January. If he had spoken those words (whoever wrote them for him) in January, thousands of lives could have been saved and tens of thousands of families could have been spared. Two months too late, they ring hollow.
 
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NWRatCon said:
I appreciate that you are embarrassed that the truth of the assertion has been demonstrated. Your proactive defensiveness is prevalent and persistent. I haven't tracked threads started by InfoWars, or the Blaze, either, for similar reasons. Are they favorites of yours as well?
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You're projecting. The news is where you find it.

In this case, although Mark Cuban had tried to alert folks on Twitter weeks ago, as linked on an earlier page of this thread, I didn't know about the 3M situation until I caught Tucker Carlson's opening segment. I'm glad he brought this to the nation's attention.
 
nota bene said:
You're projecting. The news is where you find it.

In this case, although Mark Cuban had tried to alert folks on Twitter weeks ago, as linked on an earlier page of this thread, I didn't know about the 3M situation until I caught Tucker Carlson's opening segment. I'm glad he brought this to the nation's attention.
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The fact that you think Tucker Carlson is a legitimate news source is very telling. It had been reported by legitimate news sources for three weeks before he brought it to his boss' (Trump) attention. That's a little late to the party, my friend. The World Needs Masks. China Makes Them, but Has Been Hoarding Them (NYT Mar. 13); Mark Cuban calls out 3M for allowing distributors to jack up prices for critical N95 respiratory masks (BI, Mar 28); Mark Cuban Says 3M Not Doing Enough to Keep Face Mask Prices Low (Bloomberg Mar 27).
 
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SenorXm/Sirius said:
Republicans are all for the 'free market' until they'll not.
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Majority of Americans now disapprove of trump’s Coronavirus response — America’s job market flips from hot to frozen, and trump supporters would have blamed Obama had this happened under his watch — in fact, they will anyway — Kushner company stands to benefit from freeze on federal mortgage payments —
 
vesper said:
Hey Barnacle hope you and yours are well. It is rather amazing after Trump invoked the DPA on 3M they said today it has secured China's approval to export to the U.S. 10 million N-95 respirators manufactured by the company in China. From what I read we have plants that make the masks here in the states but the state orders were not getting filled .

Coronavirus N95 Mask Shortage: Trump Invokes Defense Production Act Against 3M, Threatens Retaliation

The biggest lesson ? the U.S. address the real need to have all our medical supplies including drugs produced in the states. We need to be self-sufficient period.
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The real lesson is that trump should have invoked the DPA several weeks ago when governors pleaded with him to do so.

As for your historical revision, take that back to ‘only Nixon could go to China’.
 
Linc said:
Majority of Americans now disapprove of trump’s Coronavirus response — America’s job market flips from hot to frozen, and trump supporters would have blamed Obama had this happened under his watch — in fact, they will anyway — Kushner company stands to benefit from freeze on federal mortgage payments —
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They would have blamed Obama if this happened on his watch? You're being kind.. If this happened on his watch they'd be calling for him to be tried, jailed, and put on death row.

Hell, he's not president NOW and many are blaming him. Checked up on my In-laws yesterday, 1st words out of my 'watches Fox news all day and hates all Dems' father in-law was 'you know the Federal gov't not being ready for this virus is all Obama's fault'
 
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