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Globally, COVID-19 Has So Far Killed 1/26th The Number Who Die Annually In Car Crashes

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3leftsdoo said:
Small number of sick people = Good
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True, but in NYC the hospitals are overrun with sick people, which is why, for example, they opened up the Javits Center as a 2,500 person temporary CV19 hospital So you're spouting ignorance, stupidity, or lying. Why? Anyone with a browser can know you're full of crap with a 5 second Google search.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
It's not a stupid analogy. The numbers are real. Understand that it's not really experts making these calls. It's politicians. It's not experts reporting these numbers. It's media. This is still the age of spin. Don't forget that.
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It's impossible to argue intelligently when you won't accept data as legitimate. Not worth the effort, because if I cite data, you will just ignore it because someone reported it, and make claims based on ignorance.
 
I hope that Russians are able to shelter in place and work from home. They have a lot of car crashes over there. I've seen the dashcam videos.
 
JasperL said:
Scientists/Experts: CV19 is an extreme threat. Could kill millions in the U.S. alone, collapse the healthcare systems across many cities (see, NYC). These are the steps we need to take to prevent these bad outcomes

You: BUT CARS!!??!!! ACCIDENTS KILL PEOPLE TOO!!!

It's just stupid. If you want to argue that the threat from CV19 isn't real, that allowed to spread without extreme efforts to contain it will have no severe impact on the healthcare system, (see, NYC for why that's idiotic), or that the death toll will not be millions, but some number you haven't suggested, then argue that.

You can't do that, you're incapable of making a case about CV19, so you troll the thread with this BS about auto accidents.
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First lets be fair and not call others on the site stupid. Then perhaps consider that not everything is black and white. Not sure I read that the threat is not real. Just trying to put a little perspective. Yes this is bad,and for people impacted and their families tragic. My sense is trying to put some perspective into this as 3leftsdoo did with his/her comments is refreshing.
 
washunut said:
First lets be fair and not call others on the site stupid. Then perhaps consider that not everything is black and white. Not sure I read that the threat is not real. Just trying to put a little perspective. Yes this is bad,and for people impacted and their families tragic. My sense is trying to put some perspective into this as 3leftsdoo did with his/her comments is refreshing.
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IMO, it's trolling, because that perspective isn't relevant to this pandemic. We're a few weeks into this. How does the number of deaths in car crashes for a year impact the effect CV19 will have on hospitals, or people killed by the pandemic? Car wrecks killed 38,000 in the U.S. last year. CV19 as of this writing has killed about 7,000 in a single month. So, therefore, this observation impacts our response to CV19 in the following way.

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Can you fill in that blank for me? No, you can't because there is no connection between car wrecks and our response to a pandemic, but if you'd like to try I'm all ears

Let's put it this way.
- We can with a Google search see CV19 is overwhelming NYC as we speak. They're in crisis, nearing catastrophe, with real death panels - deciding who gets intubated and who will die.
- Now we know car wrecks kill 40,000 last YEAR (an entire 12 months), for the entire country.
- So what?

How does car wreck deaths impact our policy response to CV19 that IS as we speak threatening to collapse the healthcare system in NYC? It doesn't, at all.

How about this? On March 2, the U.S. had 62 cases and no deaths. So compared to 38,000 car wreck deaths, who cares? With that perspective in mind, the public policy response to a pandemic that on March 2 had infected a few dozen people and killed NO ONE is nothing at all. Ignore CV19!

So you tell me how that using that "perspective" to inform decisions would have worked. We now have roughly 270,000 cases, and 7,000 deaths a month later, so should we have ignored CV19? If anyone paid attention to that "perspective" on March 2, the result is needless illness, hospitalization and dead people. So how does that perspective help us make decisions, either individually or as society?
 
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JasperL said:
IMO, it's trolling, because that perspective isn't relevant to this pandemic. We're a few weeks into this. How does the number of deaths in car crashes for a year impact the effect CV19 will have on hospitals, or people killed by the pandemic? Car wrecks killed 38,000 in the U.S. last year. CV19 as of this writing has killed about 7,000 in a single month. So, therefore, this observation impacts our response to CV19 in the following way.

Answer_______________________________________________________

Can you fill in that blank for me? No, you can't because there is no connection between car wrecks and our response to a pandemic, but if you'd like to try I'm all ears

Let's put it this way.
- We can with a Google search see CV19 is overwhelming NYC as we speak. They're in crisis, nearing catastrophe, with real death panels - deciding who gets intubated and who will die.
- Now we know car wrecks kill 40,000 last YEAR (an entire 12 months), for the entire country.
- So what?

How does car wreck deaths impact our policy response to CV19 that IS as we speak threatening to collapse the healthcare system in NYC? It doesn't, at all.

How about this? On March 2, the U.S. had 62 cases and no deaths. So compared to 38,000 car wreck deaths, who cares? With that perspective in mind, the public policy response to a pandemic that on March 2 had infected a few dozen people and killed NO ONE is nothing at all. Ignore CV19!

So you tell me how that using that "perspective" to inform decisions would have worked. We now have roughly 270,000 cases, and 7,000 deaths a month later, so should we have ignored CV19? If anyone paid attention to that "perspective" on March 2, the result is needless illness, hospitalization and dead people. So how does that perspective help us make decisions, either individually or as society?
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I could be wrong (you probably think I am absolutely wrong) but it could have been an example to put this into perspective. Yes this is a terrible disease,lets remember that NY and NJ make up approximately 50% of the cases and deaths in the US. It is also true that a disproportionate percent of deaths are with the elderly and those with compromised conditions prior to this virus.

Not saying this is something we should ignore and go about our usual routine. That being said not sure we have come up with the most thoughtful way of handling the situation. Not that I have a better answer. Just my experience is that a one size fits all answer for 330 million Americans does not feel right.

I do understand your personal concerns and they are valid. That being said, the chances of you having a very bad outcome is materially different than someone younger and healthier.

That might get back to the original point. For some this is the type of risk they face in many situations. For other not so much. So should all be treated the same.
 
joko104 said:
Every doomsday non-stop 24/7 campaign to terrorize people over covid-19 has been radically wrong - generally by overstating the number of deaths, the number of infected, and number in hospital beds by 300% to 500%.
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Dude.

1/26th of the global death rate is a fraction of a fraction of a fraction.

Thus it should be treated with the appropriate concern.
 
3leftsdoo said:
Dude.

1/26th of the global death rate is a fraction of a fraction of a fraction.

Thus it should be treated with the appropriate concern.
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And what is that which will prevent what we see happening in NYC as we speak, and in Italy, and will happen in other cities as we hit peak demands through the next month or so?

What exactly should people do, and if we do that, how many die, what impact will that have on healthcare demands? Will these steps keep cases under the capacity of my local hospitals? How did you determine this? What data are you using for making these decisions? Can you cite these data?
 
washunut said:
You should send this message to Schiff. He can start an inquiry as to why Trump has not prepared the nation for the possibility of auto deaths. He can look into banning cars. Turn auto factories into bike plants.
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:thumbs:
 
CaughtInThe said:
which no one (whose family member dies from this virus) cares about. it's like if your dad were to die from cancer you don't start thinking about people who get gunned down.
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Still deflecting...

:shrug:
 
3leftsdoo said:
The numbers are sobering to say the least.

Just 3 months into 2020, COVID-19 is at the very least co-indicated (if not the primary cause!) in the deaths of 0.00071% of the world's population.

And if this isn't alarming enough, consider the following:

If by year's end this nasty flu-like virus claims just 26 times the number of lives globally it has so far...

...it could match the number of deaths caused annually by car accidents!

DEEPLY alarming as I'm sure we can all agree.

Is Trump to blame?

(I ask this rhetorically, of course.)
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Have you told Trump or Wall Street?
 
JasperL said:
Scientists/Experts: CV19 is an extreme threat. Could kill millions in the U.S. alone, collapse the healthcare systems across many cities (see, NYC). These are the steps we need to take to prevent these bad outcomes

You: BUT CARS!!??!!! ACCIDENTS KILL PEOPLE TOO!!!

It's just stupid. If you want to argue that the threat from CV19 isn't real, that allowed to spread without extreme efforts to contain it will have no severe impact on the healthcare system, (see, NYC for why that's idiotic), or that the death toll will not be millions, but some number you haven't suggested, then argue that.

You can't do that, you're incapable of making a case about CV19, so you troll the thread with this BS about auto accidents.
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COVID-19 = 1/26th as deadly as car accidents

Please stop making references to trolling - thanks in advance. :)
 
3leftsdoo said:
COVID-19 = 1/26th as deadly as car accidents

Please stop making references to trolling - thanks in advance.
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Quit trolling and I'll quit pointing it out. :shrug:
 
3leftsdoo said:
The numbers are sobering to say the least.

Just 3 months into 2020, COVID-19 is at the very least co-indicated (if not the primary cause!) in the deaths of 0.00071% of the world's population.

And if this isn't alarming enough, consider the following:

If by year's end this nasty flu-like virus claims just 26 times the number of lives globally it has so far...

...it could match the number of deaths caused annually by car accidents!

DEEPLY alarming as I'm sure we can all agree.

Is Trump to blame?

(I ask this rhetorically, of course.)
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It is really a damn shame that you have to pretend that everyone here is stupid.
I mean, I get it, it is your shtick. It is ok though, some of us know why you extrapolated out to world-wide numbers

I mean, brah, we really know.

COVID-19 is now the third-leading cause of death in the US, doctor says

COVID-19 is now the third-leading cause of death in the U.S., doctor says | Honolulu Star-Advertiser

COVID-19 3rd-leading cause of death in US as fatalities top 5,000 | Daily Sabah

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Goodnight, sweet prince, your services are no longer needed here.
 
washunut said:
Not saying this is something we should ignore and go about our usual routine. That being said not sure we have come up with the most thoughtful way of handling the situation. Not that I have a better answer. Just my experience is that a one size fits all answer for 330 million Americans does not feel right.
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Partial measures do not work. Everyone has to be on board or the virus will spring up where people aren't following protocol. It's that simple.
 
Acadia said:
Or just use the same form letter Obama sent to parents of the 1000 kids that died from h1n1.
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****ing sweet. Obama sighting.

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3leftsdoo said:
Dude.

1/26th of the global death rate is a fraction of a fraction of a fraction.

Thus it should be treated with the appropriate concern.
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We are overwhelming the hospitals and doubling the number of deaths every few days, all while shutting down the entire country and everyone staying home. There is no room in hospitals for other than CORVID-19 cases. If we did nothing, which is your implication, the devastation would be unimaginable. People would be literally dying in the streets spreading the virus high and wide.
 
dave8383 said:
Partial measures do not work. Everyone has to be on board or the virus will spring up where people aren't following protocol. It's that simple.
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Correct. Having some comply and others not is like designating a corner of the pool as the place you're allowed to pee.
 
Corona infections operate on exponential growth.

Besides, the lockdowns aren't about preventing death so much as they are about preventing the medical system from being overwhelmed and then collapsing. We can't afford for the entire hospital system to be dedicated to corona when there are many other kinds of patients who need services.

It's about medical infrastructure just as much as it is about a threat to society.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
It's not a stupid analogy. The numbers are real. Understand that it's not really experts making these calls. It's politicians. It's not experts reporting these numbers. It's media. This is still the age of spin. Don't forget that.
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Too logical.
 
I have some good news, the precautions being taken to reduce deaths from Covid 19, also may very well reduce car accident deaths. Less people driving less miles means fewer car accidents, means fewer deaths. And since most of those who are traveling out by car are adults, that should be even a greater reduction for children dying in car accidents. My husband hasn't left the house in over 2 weeks where normally he would be on the road at least 1.5 hours every weekday. I have only gone to the store, one of which I can walk to. For a measure of how far I've gone, I filled up on my way home 2.5 weeks ago, the last time I had to go into the office (my computer needed an update), and I my gas gauge still reads full. My MIL, since getting home a couple weeks ago, has only been out with me to go places, since she is working from home to. The only adult working outside the home in my household is my FIL, and then only his normal amount. My kids are home from school, doing work online. No bus rides for them, and they do not go out with us to the store (they can go out in our yard to play though, and walk around the neighborhood, keeping social distancing).

This is the normal now for most people until at least May (which is when my work and their schools project going back in). That is 2 months worth of far less driving for about 50% or more of Americans.

COVID-19 could reduce traffic deaths | News, Sports, Jobs - Adirondack Daily Enterprise

New study finds coronavirus lockdowns dramatically cut traffic accidents and fatalities | TheHill
 
Northern Light said:
Corona infections operate on exponential growth.

Besides, the lockdowns aren't about preventing death so much as they are about preventing the medical system from being overwhelmed and then collapsing. We can't afford for the entire hospital system to be dedicated to corona when there are many other kinds of patients who need services.

It's about medical infrastructure just as much as it is about a threat to society.
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The ridiculous thing is that this stupid comparison doesn't account for how many more traffic deaths there would be if our medical system were overwhelmed by Covid19 patients, which would be likely if we didn't have even the current guidelines/precautions in place. And, as I posted already, the response is leading to fewer traffic deaths and injuries because fewer people are driving at all, and certainly fewer are driving long distances.
 
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