Florida and Texas might be the next covid 19 hot spots

[RAMOSS]

What is being cited is the inadequate responses by their governors. (particularly florida). I hope people in those states are taking things more seriously t


Texas, Florida may be the next hot spots for COVID-19 - ABC News

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis in particular has received criticism for his sluggish promotion of social distancing, such as not closing down beaches despite crowds gathering, delays in closing down businesses and resisting issuing stay-at-home order. He ultimately reversed his position on April 1, issuing a stay-at-home order after discussion with the president.

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Now, experts are saying that these scattered state-by-state policies may result in new coronavirus hot spots, warning the uptick in infections may soon overrun local health care systems.

"I think Texas is going to be the next hot spot. We can already see the cases starting to increase, it is start of an exponential rise," Dr. John Brownstein, an epidemiologist at Boston Children’s Hospital, told ABC News. "Any intervention we do now will take weeks to see the impact."

The state by state polices need to be addressed by a central authority, and be stricter. We need a national policy, and a national plan for not only this one, but plans and resources in place for the next one. We had indications this could happen with Sars, and Mers. With the free flowing of people from continent to continent, we have to be better prepared for the next time.

 

[trixare4kids]

What is being cited is the inadequate responses by their governors. (particularly florida). I hope people in those states are taking things more seriously t


Texas, Florida may be the next hot spots for COVID-19 - ABC News



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The state by state polices need to be addressed by a central authority, and be stricter. We need a national policy, and a national plan for not only this one, but plans and resources in place for the next one. We had indications this could happen with Sars, and Mers. With the free flowing of people from continent to continent, we have to be better prepared for the next time.

To hell with state's power then and the Constitution which grants the national government a limited set of enumerated powers? Do you seek to give the executive the explicit power to protect health and safety of our citizens?

Could you outline how we should go about changing this?

 

[RAMOSS]

To hell with state's power then and the Constitution which grants the national government a limited set of enumerated powers? Do you seek to give the executive the explicit power to protect health and safety of our citizens?

Could you outline how we should go about changing this?

There are federal powers that are given, and pandemics I think is a big enough crisis. Or, don't you are about thousands of lives? I think at this time, 100,000 might be quite on the low side.



Here is a little news clip that shows teh difference between a 'weak response' and a 'strong response'. https://twitter.com/jfreewright/status/1245568412928978946?s=12

 

[JANFU]

What is being cited is the inadequate responses by their governors. (particularly florida). I hope people in those states are taking things more seriously t


Texas, Florida may be the next hot spots for COVID-19 - ABC News



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The state by state polices need to be addressed by a central authority, and be stricter. We need a national policy, and a national plan for not only this one, but plans and resources in place for the next one. We had indications this could happen with Sars, and Mers. With the free flowing of people from continent to continent, we have to be better prepared for the next time.

No may about it, they are the next NYC- Detroit

All because of late to act

Up North here fines can be in the few hundreds, 700 in another Prov, and 50 K in another

Those that get a second ticket, lock em up, Sheriff Arpaio style is my opinion- tent cities, all dressed in pink

Using the same menus he had

14 days as they need to be quarantined due to possible exposure/infecting others

 

[Cardinal]

What is being cited is the inadequate responses by their governors. (particularly florida). I hope people in those states are taking things more seriously t


Texas, Florida may be the next hot spots for COVID-19 - ABC News



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The state by state polices need to be addressed by a central authority, and be stricter. We need a national policy, and a national plan for not only this one, but plans and resources in place for the next one. We had indications this could happen with Sars, and Mers. With the free flowing of people from continent to continent, we have to be better prepared for the next time.

DeSantis is a portrait in incompetence. Abbott is even worse since he’s hasn’t instituted any stay-at-home measures. Oh, but he closed the border with Louisiana, so there’s that.

 

[trixare4kids]

There are federal powers that are given, and pandemics I think is a big enough crisis. Or, don't you are about thousands of lives? I think at this time, 100,000 might be quite on the low side.



Here is a little news clip that shows teh difference between a 'weak response' and a 'strong response'. https://twitter.com/jfreewright/status/1245568412928978946?s=12

Aww, c'mon, you're better than this.

How would you go about legally changing the Constitution which gives the federal government limited powers and gives the states response to pandemics a larger role, or priority?

Try to support your position without personal insults.

 

[RAMOSS]

DeSantis is a portrait in incompetence. Abbott is even worse since he’s hasn’t instituted any stay-at-home measures. Oh, but he closed the border with Louisiana, so there’s that.

The comment from the Texas Lt Governor about how seniors should be willing to risk themselves for the sake of the economy was rather stupid too.

 

[jamesbyoung]

The government has the right to restrict the liberties and freedoms of citizens in a time of emergency.

It is constitutional, it is legal, it is moral, and it is justified.

Those who argue 'no' need to be ordered into service and sent to clean then restrooms, lavatories, urinals, etc., in our hospitals.

 

[Cardinal]

The comment from the Texas Lt Governor about how seniors should be willing to risk themselves for the sake of the economy was rather stupid too.

You misspelled “evil.”

 

[BlueTex]

DeSantis is a portrait in incompetence. Abbott is even worse since he’s hasn’t instituted any stay-at-home measures. Oh, but he closed the border with Louisiana, so there’s that.

Abbott talked big about closing the border but didn't actually close anything... Our great state is relying on the honor system...

Texas DPS: No plans to establish checkpoints at Louisiana border | AcadiaParishToday.com | Crowley Post-Signal, Rayne Acadian-Tribune, Church Point News | Acadia Parish, La.

 

[nota bene]

From the Texas Tribune on 3-31:

Gov. Greg Abbott on Tuesday told Texans to stay at home for the next month unless they are taking part in essential services and activities, announcing a heightened statewide standard to stem the spread of the new coronavirus. He also announced that schools would remain closed until at least May 4.

During a news conference at the Texas Capitol, Abbott declined to call his latest executive order a shelter-in-place or stay-at-home order, arguing such labels leave the wrong impression and that he wants Texans to know, for example, they can still go to the grocery store. But in an interview afterward, he said "it's a fact" that the executive order nonetheless brings Texas up to speed with states that have issued orders with those labels. Greg Abbott asks Texas to stay home except for essential services | The Texas Tribune

These are all the Texas cities and counties that have issued stay-at-home orders

Some counties that are sheltering-in-place aren't listed, e.g. Shelby County and Rusk County. More, I'm sure.

 

[trixare4kids]

FTR, this is the real interview between Martha McCallum and Dr. Desai, not the corrupted twitter :bs listed in the O/P.

Just the facts...

McCallum actually thanked Desai, said what he was saying was interesting, and said she hoped he'd come back.

 

[Cardinal]

Abbott talked big about closing the border but didn't actually close anything... Our great state is relying on the honor system...

Texas DPS: No plans to establish checkpoints at Louisiana border | AcadiaParishToday.com | Crowley Post-Signal, Rayne Acadian-Tribune, Church Point News | Acadia Parish, La.

If the pandemic has been good for one thing, it’s in teaching the lesson that you never, ever put a party in power that specifically runs on the platform that government is incompetent.

It’s a bit of a red flag is all I’m saying.

 

[Ikari]

Aww, c'mon, you're better than this.

How would you go about legally changing the Constitution which gives the federal government limited powers and gives the states response to pandemics a larger role, or priority?

Try to support your position without personal insults.

Since when has the Federal government have "limited powers" in the modern era? The days of State sovereignty is over, died long ago. And the Unitary Executive is the federal government taking a piss on its grave.

As it relates to pandemics, however, there needs to be better coordination between states. Resources need to be assessed, hospitals that have can give to hospitals that need and such. Testing needs to be carried out more effectively nationally so that we can track the spread and have a better understanding of infection numbers. We can avoid things like having to shutdown businesses if we can better measure and track infections and have targeted quarantines. We would also need a standing infrastructure and professionals that are trained and capable of responding to a pandemic. These things are easier to accomplish and cheaper to provide through the aggregate Federal government than the States.

 

[swing_voter]

Since when has the Federal government have "limited powers" in the modern era? The days of State sovereignty is over, died long ago. And the Unitary Executive is the federal government taking a piss on its grave.

As it relates to pandemics, however, there needs to be better coordination between states. Resources need to be assessed, hospitals that have can give to hospitals that need and such. Testing needs to be carried out more effectively nationally so that we can track the spread and have a better understanding of infection numbers. We can avoid things like having to shutdown businesses if we can better measure and track infections and have targeted quarantines. We would also need a standing infrastructure and professionals that are trained and capable of responding to a pandemic. These things are easier to accomplish and cheaper to provide through the aggregate Federal government than the States.

If this crisis has shown us anything, it's that states have more power than the fed in emergencies.

The fed is mostly handing out stuff and giving money away, while the states are dealing with the crisis hands on.

 

[trixare4kids]

If this crisis has shown us anything, it's that states have more power than the fed in emergencies.

The fed is mostly handing out stuff and giving money away, while the states are dealing with the crisis hands on.

Our Constitution permits the national government a limited set of enumerated powers and essentially assigns the power to impose quarantines by the state's governors.
How would you change this if you think this needs changing?

As the Supreme Court has long recognized, the most compelling use of state power is to protect public health and safety. Under their police power, only the states can impose quarantines throughout an entire population, close institutions and businesses, and limit movement and travel. Only the states can impose the draconian shelter-in-place order that has brought the Bay Area’s economic and social activity to a complete halt.

Coronavirus Response & Trump: Presidential Power Limited | National Review

 

[Risky Thicket]

If this crisis has shown us anything, it's that states have more power than the fed in emergencies.

The fed is mostly handing out stuff and giving money away, while the states are dealing with the crisis hands on.

That's actually not true. States deal (or not) with the crisis hands on. As an example, Florida under Gov. Ron DeSantis' incompetent leadership has mishandled the crisis. Florida has gotten everything it has asked for from Washington because Trump needs Florida's vote in November. Other than that DeSantis should take a major portion of the blame for the virus rapidly spreading in Florida and other states.

Do we need to even talk about what the Mardi Gras and even St Patrick's Day did to spread the virus through New Orleans, through Louisiana, through Texas and who knows how many other states?

You get the point.

The feds can't do wrong right. Yes, they mostly hand out stuff, belatedly, and apparently based at times on political loyalty. What the fed is NOT doing is unifying effort nationally. The federal government is NOT providing critical leadership. In fact, who the hell is leading what in DC? It doesn't seem to be that Pence is leading the Covid-19 effort anymore. Fauci and Brixt do have a seat at the table but only through the graces of President Trump. Trump now seems to have taken the lead publically, though he has no clue as to what he is talking about, he often speaks out of his ass and contradicts his own medical experts, and eventually makes the daily virus briefings about himself. Azar is obviously no longer responsible for the nation's Covid-19 effort. Then there's Jared Kushner who appears to have been unofficially appointed as the Covid-19 Czar. Hell, maybe the My Pillow Guy has been given a national role in the fed's response and mitigation. No one really knows who is doing what, with which and for whom.

 

[What if...?]

To hell with state's power then and the Constitution which grants the national government a limited set of enumerated powers? Do you seek to give the executive the explicit power to protect health and safety of our citizens?

Could you outline how we should go about changing this?

Can we set up barricades to keep the irresponsible out of California?

 

[Mach]

Threatened with 200K-1M deaths from a pandemic.

Republicans unsure about how serious it *really* is.
Republicans very sure we're gonna lose our civil liberties as a nation, because of emergency powers to help all Americans in this time of crisis.

Cuckoo. Dangerous too. we'll lose many lives in Texas because of that stupid sentiment. Perhaps me included.

 

[RAMOSS]

Abbott talked big about closing the border but didn't actually close anything... Our great state is relying on the honor system...

Texas DPS: No plans to establish checkpoints at Louisiana border | AcadiaParishToday.com | Crowley Post-Signal, Rayne Acadian-Tribune, Church Point News | Acadia Parish, La.

For your personal well being. pretend there is a strict enforcement of 'stay at home'.

 

[trixare4kids]

Can we set up barricades to keep the irresponsible out of California?

I suppose he could try banning all travel that is nonessential. It's in his order.

California coronavirus FAQ: Your questions answered | CalMatters

Newsom said the same thing on Tuesday, emphasis ours: “The National Guard has been directed by the Governor to be prepared to perform humanitarian missions across the state including food distribution, ensuring resiliency of supply lines, as well as supporting public safety as required.”

California coronavirus FAQ: Your questions answered | CalMatters

 

[trixare4kids]

Threatened with 200K-1M deaths from a pandemic.

Republicans unsure about how serious it *really* is.
Republicans very sure we're gonna lose our civil liberties as a nation, because of emergency powers to help all Americans in this time of crisis.

Cuckoo. Dangerous too. we'll lose many lives in Texas because of that stupid sentiment. Perhaps me included.

I haven't heard any Republican repeat the above um, "fairytale".

 

[TomFitz]

If the pandemic has been good for one thing, it’s in teaching the lesson that you never, ever put a party in power that specifically runs on the platform that government is incompetent.

It’s a bit of a red flag is all I’m saying.

I could never understand that either.

Ronald Reagan was famous for the line “I’m here to help, I’m from the government”. It wasn’t actually original to him. It was just one of those things people go around saying without thinking about it.

Reagan got laughs with that line, and it’s an old reliable in this country.

But no where else.

In any other country a politician who said something like that would be advertising their own incompetence.

 

[TomFitz]

I haven't heard any Republican repeat the above um, "fairytale".

Trumpsters have made statements like that on this forum. Limbaugh is ranting about the imaginary “deep state”.

 

[JasperL]

DeSantis is a portrait in incompetence. Abbott is even worse since he’s hasn’t instituted any stay-at-home measures. Oh, but he closed the border with Louisiana, so there’s that.

It's a close race. Kemp telling us that he just found out YESTERDAY!! that CV19 can be spread by those without symptoms is showing he's working like heck to gain the #1 incompetent spot. We'll see how it unfolds, but this race is too close to call at this point.