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    Re: Florida and Texas might be the next covid 19 hot spots

    From the Texas Tribune on 3-31:

    Gov. Greg Abbott on Tuesday told Texans to stay at home for the next month unless they are taking part in essential services and activities, announcing a heightened statewide standard to stem the spread of the new coronavirus. He also announced that schools would remain closed until at least May 4.

    During a news conference at the Texas Capitol, Abbott declined to call his latest executive order a shelter-in-place or stay-at-home order, arguing such labels leave the wrong impression and that he wants Texans to know, for example, they can still go to the grocery store. But in an interview afterward, he said "it's a fact" that the executive order nonetheless brings Texas up to speed with states that have issued orders with those labels. Greg Abbott asks Texas to stay home except for essential services | The Texas Tribune

    These are all the Texas cities and counties that have issued stay-at-home orders

    Some counties that are sheltering-in-place aren't listed, e.g. Shelby County and Rusk County. More, I'm sure.

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    Re: Florida and Texas might be the next covid 19 hot spots

    FTR, this is the real interview between Martha McCallum and Dr. Desai, not the corrupted twitter listed in the O/P.

    Just the facts...

    McCallum actually thanked Desai, said what he was saying was interesting, and said she hoped he'd come back.

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    Re: Florida and Texas might be the next covid 19 hot spots

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueTex View Post
    Abbott talked big about closing the border but didn't actually close anything... Our great state is relying on the honor system...

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    Re: Florida and Texas might be the next covid 19 hot spots

    Quote Originally Posted by trixare4kids View Post
    Aww, c'mon, you're better than this.

    How would you go about legally changing the Constitution which gives the federal government limited powers and gives the states response to pandemics a larger role, or priority?

    Try to support your position without personal insults.
    Since when has the Federal government have "limited powers" in the modern era? The days of State sovereignty is over, died long ago. And the Unitary Executive is the federal government taking a piss on its grave.

    As it relates to pandemics, however, there needs to be better coordination between states. Resources need to be assessed, hospitals that have can give to hospitals that need and such. Testing needs to be carried out more effectively nationally so that we can track the spread and have a better understanding of infection numbers. We can avoid things like having to shutdown businesses if we can better measure and track infections and have targeted quarantines. We would also need a standing infrastructure and professionals that are trained and capable of responding to a pandemic. These things are easier to accomplish and cheaper to provide through the aggregate Federal government than the States.
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    Re: Florida and Texas might be the next covid 19 hot spots

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Since when has the Federal government have "limited powers" in the modern era? The days of State sovereignty is over, died long ago. And the Unitary Executive is the federal government taking a piss on its grave.

    As it relates to pandemics, however, there needs to be better coordination between states. Resources need to be assessed, hospitals that have can give to hospitals that need and such. Testing needs to be carried out more effectively nationally so that we can track the spread and have a better understanding of infection numbers. We can avoid things like having to shutdown businesses if we can better measure and track infections and have targeted quarantines. We would also need a standing infrastructure and professionals that are trained and capable of responding to a pandemic. These things are easier to accomplish and cheaper to provide through the aggregate Federal government than the States.

    If this crisis has shown us anything, it's that states have more power than the fed in emergencies.

    The fed is mostly handing out stuff and giving money away, while the states are dealing with the crisis hands on.

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    Re: Florida and Texas might be the next covid 19 hot spots

    Quote Originally Posted by swing_voter View Post
    If this crisis has shown us anything, it's that states have more power than the fed in emergencies.

    The fed is mostly handing out stuff and giving money away, while the states are dealing with the crisis hands on.
    Our Constitution permits the national government a limited set of enumerated powers and essentially assigns the power to impose quarantines by the state's governors.
    How would you change this if you think this needs changing?

    As the Supreme Court has long recognized, the most compelling use of state power is to protect public health and safety. Under their police power, only the states can impose quarantines throughout an entire population, close institutions and businesses, and limit movement and travel. Only the states can impose the draconian shelter-in-place order that has brought the Bay Area’s economic and social activity to a complete halt.
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    Re: Florida and Texas might be the next covid 19 hot spots

    Quote Originally Posted by swing_voter View Post
    If this crisis has shown us anything, it's that states have more power than the fed in emergencies.

    The fed is mostly handing out stuff and giving money away, while the states are dealing with the crisis hands on.
    That's actually not true. States deal (or not) with the crisis hands on. As an example, Florida under Gov. Ron DeSantis' incompetent leadership has mishandled the crisis. Florida has gotten everything it has asked for from Washington because Trump needs Florida's vote in November. Other than that DeSantis should take a major portion of the blame for the virus rapidly spreading in Florida and other states.

    Do we need to even talk about what the Mardi Gras and even St Patrick's Day did to spread the virus through New Orleans, through Louisiana, through Texas and who knows how many other states?

    You get the point.

    The feds can't do wrong right. Yes, they mostly hand out stuff, belatedly, and apparently based at times on political loyalty. What the fed is NOT doing is unifying effort nationally. The federal government is NOT providing critical leadership. In fact, who the hell is leading what in DC? It doesn't seem to be that Pence is leading the Covid-19 effort anymore. Fauci and Brixt do have a seat at the table but only through the graces of President Trump. Trump now seems to have taken the lead publically, though he has no clue as to what he is talking about, he often speaks out of his ass and contradicts his own medical experts, and eventually makes the daily virus briefings about himself. Azar is obviously no longer responsible for the nation's Covid-19 effort. Then there's Jared Kushner who appears to have been unofficially appointed as the Covid-19 Czar. Hell, maybe the My Pillow Guy has been given a national role in the fed's response and mitigation. No one really knows who is doing what, with which and for whom.








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    Re: Florida and Texas might be the next covid 19 hot spots

    Quote Originally Posted by trixare4kids View Post
    To hell with state's power then and the Constitution which grants the national government a limited set of enumerated powers? Do you seek to give the executive the explicit power to protect health and safety of our citizens?

    Could you outline how we should go about changing this?
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    Re: Florida and Texas might be the next covid 19 hot spots

    Threatened with 200K-1M deaths from a pandemic.

    Republicans unsure about how serious it *really* is.
    Republicans very sure we're gonna lose our civil liberties as a nation, because of emergency powers to help all Americans in this time of crisis.

    Cuckoo. Dangerous too. we'll lose many lives in Texas because of that stupid sentiment. Perhaps me included.

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    Re: Florida and Texas might be the next covid 19 hot spots

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueTex View Post
    Abbott talked big about closing the border but didn't actually close anything... Our great state is relying on the honor system...

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