Vaccine would be "Mark of the Beast"

PirateMk1 said:

The term was side BENIFIT. The primary benefit is an individuals vaccination. You are the one spreading misinformation when you say that vaccination is for herd immunity primarily. Thats bull****. If an individuals vaccination is ineffective then they do not contribute to herd immunity and must depend on it instead. Ipso facto herd immunity is a side benefit of effective INDIVIDUAL vaccinations in mass.

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Repeating that ^^^ isnt an argument.


The purpose of vaccinating individuals is the way to protect the most people. If they could do it by putting it in the water supply (just as an example), they would. The primary goal is the same: the greatest good for the greatest number of people.

PirateMk1 said:

The term was side BENIFIT. The primary benefit is an individuals vaccination. You are the one spreading misinformation when you say that vaccination is for herd immunity primarily. Thats bull****. If an individuals vaccination is ineffective then they do not contribute to herd immunity and must depend on it instead. Ipso facto herd immunity is a side benefit of effective INDIVIDUAL vaccinations in mass.

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You're now lying, and you can't quote me claiming that "vaccination is for herd immunity primarily". I have never typed anything even close to that.

Is that how you run your business? With made up nonsense and poor critical thinking comments? Then why do you do it here?

I cited CDC, they didn't say "side benefit", they told you explicitly, you're in denial. Why? Do you ignore the data your "logistics" managers feed to you because of feelings? Why do you ignore it here?

Reasons for Adults to be Vaccinated | CDC

Reasons for adults to vaccinate:
1. reduce risk of serious disease
2. lowers your chance of spreading the disease
Some people in your family or community may not be able to get certain vaccines due to their age or health condition. They rely on you to help prevent the spread of disease.

The benefit to someone who cannot be immunized, by people not SPREADING due vaccination, is of PRIMARY benefit to them. Do you understand that THEY directly benefit from you being vaccinated? Do you get it? They can't get the vaccine due to health or age (in some cases it's youth, in others, elderly). But then, only you are using these irrelevant terms "primary, secondary, side-".

And notice this doesn't even have anything to do with your new $2 word "Herd immunity" that you picked up during CV19. EVERY TRANSMISSION of a disease due to lack of vaccination would have been of benefit to both the person that contracted it originally, and to the person who got it from the spread. That's even before you have "herd immunity". Every case, matters. Life, in fact, matters. Even if fewer were vaccinated than necessary to have population spread almost eliminated, each vaccination STILL provides a benefit.

Screw everyone else, it's all about you right?

PirateMk1 said:

There are no limits on free speech in the first amendment. I defy you to point it out in the amendment.

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I defy you to try pushing it where you are either harming others or the government and see how that works.Good Luck.

Lursa said:

Repeating that ^^^ isnt an argument.

The reason the govt invests in subsidizing and/or promoting vaccines is to protect the public, to enable what you call a side benefit. To protect the greatest number for the greater good (public health.) Because as we can see...lots of sick and dead people are bad for the economy.

So is your position that since we as individuals OR the govt cant stop ourselves, people in society from dying...we shouldnt bother reducing ANY risks? That's how your post comes across.​

The purpose of vaccinating individuals is the way to protect the most people. If they could do it by putting it in the water supply (just as an example), they would. The primary goal is the same: the greatest good for the greatest number of people.

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I dont care what you think the reason is. This is a country of individuals each with rights. They aren't widgets or workers like machines or ants.

PirateMk1 said:

There are no limits on free speech in the first amendment. I defy you to point it out in the amendment.

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He didnt claim the bold.

PirateMk1 said:

I dont care what you think the reason is. This is a country of individuals each with rights. They aren't widgets or workers like machines or ants.

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I dont care that you dont 'like' the reason...that's all yours. But that doesnt change the fact that that IS the reason.

And I didnt day anything about your last 2 sentences.

PirateMk1 said:

There are no limits on free speech in the first amendment. I defy you to point it out in the amendment.

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Hi! Your statement is true. Our country, though, is guided not only by the ur document [the Constitution and the Bill of Rights] but also by later amendments and a vast body of case law. Hewing to the original Constitution, as written, can lead to situations as strange as, say, following the Old Testament to the letter.

Regards, stay well, and be thankful you're not one of the '15'.

Mach said:

You're now lying, and you can't quote me claiming that "vaccination is for herd immunity primarily". I have never typed anything even close to that.

Is that how you run your business? With made up nonsense and poor critical thinking comments? Then why do you do it here?

I cited CDC, they didn't say "side benefit", they told you explicitly, you're in denial. Why? Do you ignore the data your "logistics" managers feed to you because of feelings? Why do you ignore it here?

Reasons for Adults to be Vaccinated | CDC

Reasons for adults to vaccinate:
1. reduce risk of serious disease
2. lowers your chance of spreading the disease
Some people in your family or community may not be able to get certain vaccines due to their age or health condition. They rely on you to help prevent the spread of disease.

The benefit to someone who cannot be immunized, by people not SPREADING due vaccination, is of PRIMARY benefit to them. Do you understand that THEY directly benefit from you being vaccinated? Do you get it? They can't get the vaccine due to health or age (in some cases it's youth, in others, elderly). But then, only you are using these irrelevant terms "primary, secondary, side-".

And notice this doesn't even have anything to do with your new $2 word "Herd immunity" that you picked up during CV19. EVERY TRANSMISSION of a disease due to lack of vaccination would have been of benefit to both the person that contracted it originally, and to the person who got it from the spread. That's even before you have "herd immunity". Every case, matters. Life, in fact, matters. Even if fewer were vaccinated than necessary to have population spread almost eliminated, each vaccination STILL provides a benefit.

Screw everyone else, it's all about you right?

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Damn straight. If I dont know you, I dont give a **** about you. I dont expect people to care about me or mine. Vaccination are an individual choice, to made at the discretion of the individual.

PirateMk1 said:

Damn straight. If I dont know you, I dont give a **** about you.

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Quote for the ages. Now we know who you are.

Lursa said:

I dont care that you dont 'like' the reason...that's all yours. But that doesnt change the fact that that IS the reason.

And I didnt day anything about your last 2 sentences.

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We agree we dont care for each other opinions. The reason is your opinion, which is wrong.

Mach said:

Quote for the ages. Now we know who you are.

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I dont have a need to know you, why do you have a need to know me?

PirateMk1 said:

We agree we dont care for each other opinions. The reason is your opinion, which is wrong.

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And yet, you are unable to articulate why. My opinion is at least based on fact.

Your 'na huh' response is the first clue yours is not.

Mach said:

Quote for the ages. Now we know who you are.

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Triggers easily when painted into a corner too.

Lursa said:

And yet, you are unable to articulate why. My opinion is at least based on fact.

Your 'na huh' response is the first clue yours is not.

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You know my reasons I know yours. Your wrong. End of argument as far as I am concerned. I am tired of replying to your posts. I have other more interesting things to comment on.

Lursa said:

Triggers easily when painted into a corner too.

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Damn straight. If I dont know you, I dont give a **** about you. I dont expect people to care about me or mine. Vaccination are an individual choice, to made at the discretion of the individual.

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poweRob said:

This is nuts.

Right-wing pastor Curt Landry tells his follower never to accept any eventual coronavirus vaccine because it's a set-up for the Mark of the Beast: "That vaccine is from the pit of Hell. Do not pray for those vaccines, and do not take the vaccine. " Curt Landry Says Any Coronavirus Vaccine 'Is From the Pit of Hell' | Right Wing Watch​

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Pretty nuts some of these televangelists are.

Anyone who thought out the "mark of the beast" thing from a theological perspective and then combined it with modern technology, should probably conclude that "the number"---- the specific identifying "number" for each individual would be your DNA. Because if you really wanted to protect bank accounts, medical history, employment history, criminal history--- then ONE individual identifying number would be needed for each individual. And in the near future (if not already) there will be technology available to "scan" your DNA (your ID) without requiring a chip, barcode, or other "mark" as was originally assumed.

I'm not saying this is going to be the case, only that it is plausible given modern technology. In the Christian texts it mentions a "mark" which will be required to "buy, sell, or trade", and without that mark you cannot. Well, I don't know what good a '666' would be in terms of commerce and banking, but a specific identifier would fulfill that prophecy. And then the question about what would force people into this acceptance other than a global economic catastrophe where it would become necessary to protect banking and commerce from fraud and identity theft.

PirateMk1 said:

I dont have a need to know you, why do you have a need to know me?

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No, you wrote:

Damn straight. If I dont know you, I dont give a **** about you.

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You don't care about most people, I assume, in the absolute, ideological sense. You simply don't care about your fellow humans.
You wrote it, that's' sufficient for me, it explains your answers. I find that disturbing, and unfortunate.

As to your follow-on question "why do you have a need to know me", I don't.

I don't need to know you, to love you as a fellow human, and to want you generally to have a long and healthy life. I also don't need to know you, to know that if you do really bad things, our justice system who gets to know you, will reduce your risk to me. They don't know me, but they do it anyway. How nice of them.

When you get wheeled into the ER and the doctor says"
"Who this **** is this guy, I don't know them. Get them out of my ER!!"

Or, on topic, as CDC informed you, a person who cannot be vaccinated, doesn't need to know you, for their life to potentially be saved as a result of you doing the right thing in getting vaccinated.
YOUR vaccination can be of PRIMARY benefit to a person you would have otherwise infected (who didn't or couldn't get vaccinated). If you can't understand that you live in a society and your words and deeds affect those around you, -then you can't be reasoned with. If you say it's "unimportant" by definition, you cannot be reasoned with on this.

My guess is you have a bizarre libertarian ideology clouding your judgement on this, because it doesn't seem normal.

PirateMk1 said:

You know my reasons I know yours. Your wrong. End of argument as far as I am concerned. I am tired of replying to your posts. I have other more interesting things to comment on.

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You sure get hostile. Stamping your feet does not make you right. Evidence, proof, articulating an argument does that on the Internet.

Your personal declaration is...just that.

Carry on!

Lursa said:

Triggers easily when painted into a corner too.

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It's so sad. I think it's that right wing, libertarian-esque infection they get. Kind of like the Ayn Rand Atlas Shrugged types. They get all confused, and then they start using bogus reasoning, to justify aberrant, deplorable, choices. It becomes so prevalent in their demographic that they actually have become PROUD of their outspoken lack of humanity.

We have seen it here during this crisis..."sacrifice the vulnerable so we can get the economy rolling!!".

I mean, right wing media is a huge propaganda machine that in a sends, is "leading" 40% of Americans do think poorly, uncritically, to treat politics like a sports team, and apparently to de-value human life. Had another right wing lunatic on this forum calling fellow Americans "cockroaches". A term I have herd in right wing media, no doubt parroted by them here.

You see even the craziest among them, like Trump, fail to keep up that charade of stupidity in the face of this crisis. He had to back off and start admitting he wants to save lives. Much of the rest of them, are still yelling in a hoarse voice collectively that human lives just aren't that important. Apparently, especially, if you don't "know them".

What a shame.

Mach said:

It's so sad. I think it's that right wing, libertarian-esque infection they get. Kind of like the Ayn Rand Atlas Shrugged types. They get all confused, and then they start using bogus reasoning, to justify aberrant, deplorable, choices. It becomes so prevalent in their demographic that they actually have become PROUD of their outspoken lack of humanity.

We have seen it here during this crisis..."sacrifice the vulnerable so we can get the economy rolling!!".

I mean, right wing media is a huge propaganda machine that in a sends, is "leading" 40% of Americans do think poorly, uncritically, to treat politics like a sports team, and apparently to de-value human life. Had another right wing lunatic on this forum calling fellow Americans "cockroaches". A term I have herd in right wing media, no doubt parroted by them here.

You see even the craziest among them, like Trump, fail to keep up that charade of stupidity in the face of this crisis. He had to back off and start admitting he wants to save lives. Much of the rest of them, are still yelling in a hoarse voice collectively that human lives just aren't that important. Apparently, especially, if you don't "know them".

What a shame.

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Woulda just been easier, when the answer was pointed out, to just say, "oh yeah, I guess that is true.'

Mach said:

No, you wrote:


You don't care about most people, I assume, in the absolute, ideological sense. You simply don't care about your fellow humans.
You wrote it, that's' sufficient for me, it explains your answers. I find that disturbing, and unfortunate.

As to your follow-on question "why do you have a need to know me", I don't.

I don't need to know you, to love you as a fellow human, and to want you generally to have a long and healthy life. I also don't need to know you, to know that if you do really bad things, our justice system who gets to know you, will reduce your risk to me. They don't know me, but they do it anyway. How nice of them.

When you get wheeled into the ER and the doctor says"
"Who this **** is this guy, I don't know them. Get them out of my ER!!"

Or, on topic, as CDC informed you, a person who cannot be vaccinated, doesn't need to know you, for their life to potentially be saved as a result of you doing the right thing in getting vaccinated.
YOUR vaccination can be of PRIMARY benefit to a person you would have otherwise infected (who didn't or couldn't get vaccinated). If you can't understand that you live in a society and your words and deeds affect those around you, -then you can't be reasoned with. If you say it's "unimportant" by definition, you cannot be reasoned with on this.

My guess is you have a bizarre libertarian ideology clouding your judgement on this, because it doesn't seem normal.

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What on earth makes you think I want or need your love as human being? Good lord. People do the things they do, out of self interest. Period. The Doc fixes you to get paid. The police, keep the riff raff at bay to get paid. They want to get paid because they have things they want to do, like eating.

If I get vaccinated I dont give a **** if it saves someone else's life. I am only interested in receiving the vaccination if its safe and effective enough for my purposes.

My words dont effect ****. Its my actions that do. My actions do my talking for me.

It apparent to me we have completely different philosophies on life.

PirateMk1 said:

If I get vaccinated I dont give a **** if it saves someone else's life. I am only interested in receiving the vaccination if its safe and effective enough for my purposes.

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This level of ignorance is why you shouldn't be given a choice.

poweRob said:

This is nuts.

Right-wing pastor Curt Landry tells his follower never to accept any eventual coronavirus vaccine because it's a set-up for the Mark of the Beast: "That vaccine is from the pit of Hell. Do not pray for those vaccines, and do not take the vaccine. " Curt Landry Says Any Coronavirus Vaccine 'Is From the Pit of Hell' | Right Wing Watch​

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And of course we all know Jerry Falwell Jr opened up Liberty University to classes on-campus because he is still operating on Trump's earlier dismissal of the whole virus thing as a Chinese hoax implemented by the Democratic Party to bring down the GOP and institute Godless socialism in this country. How precious.

Religious people remind me of someone wearing a virtual reality helmet and playing this game only they can see- a heroic, epic game of gods, prophets, good and evil, etc.... So they are jumping around, dodging imaginary bullets, running towards imaginary goals, and trying to make it up to the next level of the game, etc....

But the problem is, they are doing all this in the middle of a busy 6-lane highway. That's the real reality. But they don't want to see it. It's more fun living in the virtual world of their little game and they refuse to take the helmet off. So inevitably it's just a matter of time before they end up hurting themselves or others. The rest of society just has to be mindful that there are people around with these virtual reality helmets on and make sure to avoid them in traffic.

There should be road signs up, kind of like they have for deer or animal crossings, to make sure people are mindful of them while operating in the real world.

Luce said:

This level of ignorance is why you shouldn't be given a choice.

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I giggle when people say that. :devil: It brings out certain.... instincts.