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Vaccine would be "Mark of the Beast"

1-The guy is a whack job.
2-The anti-vaxxers of the world tend to be elitist liberals...not religious types. (See Carey...Kennedy, etc) FFS...Carolyn Maloney is an elected official and a democrat and an anti-vaxxer. Ive heard the anti-vax movement best described as "Its not a right wing OR left wing thing...its a dumbass wing..."
3-There is a problem with developing a corona virus vaccine. Viruses tend to mutate quickly. Most of the flu vaccines administered are already out of date or not the right strain. Corona Viruses mutate even more rapidly and their impact is more nasty. Taking the vaccine (assuming they get one developed) wont be the problem. the problem will be will it make a difference? Ultimately...the virus in humans needs to be choked out and then COVID 19 will cease to be a problem. Until some ****ing mutt eats a freshly killed raw bat again from the wet markets in China and COVID20 comes along.
 
What if...? said:
Actually, new approaches to vaccines, that identify traits common to all variants of a strain instead of to specific strain variants may ultimately spell the end to viral infections.

If I understand correctly, one of the ones in development for C-19 is of this type.
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Thats excellent. I hope they are open and document it well so people will want to take it.
 
VanceMack said:
1-The guy is a whack job.
2-The anti-vaxxers of the world tend to be elitist liberals...not religious types. (See Carey...Kennedy, etc) FFS...Carolyn Maloney is an elected official and a democrat and an anti-vaxxer. Ive heard the anti-vax movement best described as "Its not a right wing OR left wing thing...its a dumbass wing..."
3-There is a problem with developing a corona virus vaccine. Viruses tend to mutate quickly. Most of the flu vaccines administered are already out of date or not the right strain. Corona Viruses mutate even more rapidly and their impact is more nasty. Taking the vaccine (assuming they get one developed) wont be the problem. the problem will be will it make a difference? Ultimately...the virus in humans needs to be choked out and then COVID 19 will cease to be a problem. Until some ****ing mutt eats a freshly killed raw bat again from the wet markets in China and COVID20 comes along.
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Humans eat all sorts of **** everywhere. Good luck stopping that.
 
PirateMk1 said:
And? He has a right to say it. It up to people whether they will do it or not.
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No, it isn't.

Vaccines aren't just about protecting the individual who gets the vaccine. It's about protecting the entire society.

Vaccines are never 100% effective, and not everyone is able to be vaccinated. What broad vaccination does is provide herd immunity.

If you refuse to get the vaccine, you can still get infected COVID-19 -- and that means you can spread it to other people, including those who can't get vaccinated, or haven't gotten vaccinated yet, or got the vaccine but didn't have a strong response.

This is why we cannot tolerate exceptions to the MMR vaccine. Measles is so highly contagious that over 95% of the population has to be vaccinated in order to build herd immunity. When a handful of morons refused to vaccinate, we could tolerate it; but when too many people let their stupidity dominate their actions, then we get measles outbreaks, that can kill children -- even kids who did get the vaccine.

(By the way, the Callous Conservatives spent a few weeks shrieking about how we should not do anything about COVID-19 so we can develop herd immunity. Vaccines do that without killing millions of people. Just FYI.)


Meanwhile, this guy apparently thinks that getting the vaccine is how Satan will take over the world. I.e. he's ****ing insane. Sorry not sorry, but no matter how crazy he is, he needs to be vaccinated.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Yet the people are free to make the choice whether they are vaccinated, as they should be.
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Sure and our public schools don't have to take those people's kids just like they don't take other unvaccinated kids.
 
One of the things you can count on is a crisis bringing the crazies out.
:doh
 
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PirateMk1 said:
And? Thats what you get in a free society, that also happens to provide free healthcare to people. I am not planning on taking a vaccine till I have seen a minimum of a years worth data. I will take my chances until then.
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More for the rest of us.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Humans eat all sorts of **** everywhere. Good luck stopping that.
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True...BUT...in most of those cases they arent centered in a tourist trap with a population of about 1.5 billion people.
 
As long as the vaccine isn't mandatory, I'm fine with governments strongly promoting/subsidizing it. :shrug:

I suppose pro-choice advocates will get to learn what "my body, my choice" looks like to the other side.
 
Mach said:
Sorry, but in many cases, a highly communicable disease puts otherwise healthy people at greater risk, and in general loads the health care system more for us all, and health insurance for us all, with something that is in vaccination case, preventable. Same reason we've had illnesses we thought were largely eradicated from the U.S., show back up in populations, putting people's lives at risk for a few who are just stupid.

They should get to choose. U.S. + vaccine, or leave the country. We live in a society whether you admit it or not. That's why we have governments in the first place. Multiple people, creates issues where individual actions affect others. That's most of the entire reason we have laws.
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I'll need to see hard evidence that it works and has minimum side effects.

I believe the new medicine should be focused on right now.
 
COTO said:
As long as the vaccine isn't mandatory, I'm fine with governments strongly promoting/subsidizing it. :shrug:

I suppose pro-choice advocates will get to learn what "my body, my choice" looks like to the other side.
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I am okay with it being a choice, provided the people who decline the vaccine stay in isolation indefinitely.
 
Visbek said:
No, it isn't.

Vaccines aren't just about protecting the individual who gets the vaccine. It's about protecting the entire society.

Vaccines are never 100% effective, and not everyone is able to be vaccinated. What broad vaccination does is provide herd immunity.

If you refuse to get the vaccine, you can still get infected COVID-19 -- and that means you can spread it to other people, including those who can't get vaccinated, or haven't gotten vaccinated yet, or got the vaccine but didn't have a strong response.

This is why we cannot tolerate exceptions to the MMR vaccine. Measles is so highly contagious that over 95% of the population has to be vaccinated in order to build herd immunity. When a handful of morons refused to vaccinate, we could tolerate it; but when too many people let their stupidity dominate their actions, then we get measles outbreaks, that can kill children -- even kids who did get the vaccine.

(By the way, the Callous Conservatives spent a few weeks shrieking about how we should not do anything about COVID-19 so we can develop herd immunity. Vaccines do that without killing millions of people. Just FYI.)


Meanwhile, this guy apparently thinks that getting the vaccine is how Satan will take over the world. I.e. he's ****ing insane. Sorry not sorry, but no matter how crazy he is, he needs to be vaccinated.
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I am not getting into a vaccination argument with you. The people have a right to choose. Period. You live with risk every day. Life is risky business. You say he needs vaccination, I say its his choice. Opinions are now noted.
 
Slavister said:
Sure and our public schools don't have to take those people's kids just like they don't take other unvaccinated kids.
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Correct.
 
COTO said:
That's fair enough.

Large schools are breeding grounds for disease.

As long as people have alternatives.
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It’s up to the parents to find alternatives.
 
Luce said:
I am okay with it being a choice, provided the people who decline the vaccine stay in isolation indefinitely.
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That's not even close to being reasonable.

People can only be pushed so far before they tell the state to shove it. In the US, and even up here in pacifist Canada, I guarantee you the people who don't want the vaccination won't get it based on government fiat. It's one of those "my body, my choice" issues like abortion where all the laws in the world won't change people's behaviour.
 
COTO said:
That's not even close to being reasonable.
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I don't feel that willingly being a vector is reasonable. Your mileage may vary.
 
swing_voter said:
Right Wing Watch

LEFT BIAS
These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward liberal causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage liberal causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy. See all Left Bias sources.


Right Wing Watch - Media Bias/Fact Check
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Understood, when it’s an opinion piece, but in this case it’s a news report. Either this person said these things or he didn’t. Did you watch the video? I just did. This guy said:
- The Lord speaks to him.
- There’s going to be some kind of divine intervention between April 8th and April 15th
- Bill Gates is leaving Apple (Bill Gates founded Microsoft, by the way) and is working on the vaccine.
- He said “Do not take the vaccine! That vaccine is from the pit of hell!”.

At that point I stopped watching. But my point is that bias is only relevant when someone is opining.

This guy actually said these things!
 
VanceMack said:
True...BUT...in most of those cases they arent centered in a tourist trap with a population of about 1.5 billion people.
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True dat. However humans are known for stupid human tricks. Thats why we have Bubba tests and even they cannot be perfect, because eventually inevitably they will find a more perfect idiot, or more accurately the more perfect idiot will find you. Its Murphy's Law and O'Neal's colliery personified.

(For those of you unfamiliar with Murphy's law and the associated colliery. Murphy's Law. "What can go wrong, will go wrong, at the worst possible moment." O'Neil's Colliery "Murphy was an optimist." :cool:)
 
Elvira said:
Another idiot who know not of what he speaks...as with most of Revelation, it is a symbolic, since it is a vision...

"It puts under compulsion all people—the small and the great, the rich and the poor, the free and the slaves—that these should be marked on their right hand or on their forehead, and that nobody can buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name." Revelation 13:16,17

It is imperative to look to other scriptures in order to understand the language of exactly what the right hand and forehead represents...Jehovah told the Israelite nation that they should tie his words “as a sign upon [their] hand” and that he had engraved Zion upon his palms , denoting constant remembrance and attention...Deuteronomy 6:6-8; 11:18; Isaiah 49:14-16...With similar meaning, Jehovah tells the eunuchs who lay hold of his covenant that he will give them in his house “a monument” or, place, literally, a “hand”...Isaiah 56:4, 5...he Bible also speaks of worshipers of God as writing upon their hands, symbolically, the words, “Belonging to Jehovah,” denoting they are his slaves....Isaiah 44:5...so, it stands to reason, in the same way the “mark” of “the wild beast” in the right hand would symbolize one’s giving attention, devotion, and active support to “the wild beast” and its “image,” inasmuch as a person’s hands are used to do work in behalf of the one he serves...Revelation 14:9,10; 20:4...
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He says something about "putting a chip in". Do you know what he means by that?
 
Luce said:
I don't feel that willingly being a vector is reasonable. Your mileage may vary.
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I don't think abortion is reasonable, and yet mothers abort all the time. They don't seem to care what I think is reasonable and moral.

Look on the bright side: "Herd immunity" requires most people to get vaccinated, not all people. If > 90% get vaccinated, you can stop worrying yourself to death. If < 90% get vaccinated, it means > 10% of the population isn't willing and the government doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of enforcing the mandate anyway.
 
poweRob said:
I get that and if he wants it that way fine... taking the pulpit though to tell others not to for fear of hell?... that's pretty ****ty IMO.
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I'd say that's also a display of Darwinism I enjoy but it does interfere with herd immunity building up and still puts those at risk at even more risk. And of course the minor children they have produced also get thrown under the bus...:(

No wonder so much religious fanaticism is based around controlling reproduction...they need to produce as many followers as possible before getting deleted from society.
 
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