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USA was most prepared nation for a Pandemic

Hawkeye10 said:
So far as I know the vast majority of people here are Americans.

If that changes I will adjust my pitch.
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We have Kiwis, Aussies, Europeans, a guy from Singapore, Some Canucks, etc.
 
Bodhisattva said:
No. Biggest and freest means the biggest population that is also the freest.

Russia is the biggest in size with a smaller population
Canada is the 2nd biggest with an even smaller population

The two with bigger populations are India and China... both that are smaller in size

Only the United States of America is has the biggest population AND the biggest nation.

The USA is freer than Russia, India and China without a doubt and Canada has a far smaller population.

Both combined. That was the point. Combined. That is what the "and" means... :lol:
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:lmao

Boy you completely confused yourself there. You lost the whole "freest" part and keep talking about largest by size and largest by population now. You are magically trying to combine two different properties and pretend like it's a common concept.

While you are at it, please do tell me, which is the most green and thick-skinned - a apple or an orange?

:lmao

marke said:
... it would have been stupid to do something before realizing there was a danger that needed emergency action ...
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Before "realizing"? Yeah, I wish it would have occurred to someone in charge to test a lot of people before this thing blew up in our face. You know, like South Korea did when they got their first case on the same day as we did...
 
ecofarm said:
And we did nothing.
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For all intents and purposes we didn’t.

You can’t judge actions properly in hindsight.


If the US took radical action to every single doomsayers predictions we’d spend more time under martial law, in fact every waking minute of our lives would be under martial law, then under normal constitutional rule.
 
Slavister said:
:lmao

Boy you completely confused yourself there. You lost the whole "freest" part and keep talking about largest by size and largest by population now. You are magically trying to combine two different properties and pretend like it's a common concept.

While you are at it, please do tell me, which is the most green and thick-skinned - a apple or an orange?

:lmao



Before "realizing"? Yeah, I wish it would have occurred to someone in charge to test a lot of people before this thing blew up in our face. You know, like South Korea did when they got their first case on the same day as we did...
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I suppose many doctors, government officials, scientists, socialists, and politicians may have been too slow to comprehend what was coming, but I don't think it is healthy to spend a lot of time finding fault with them as though we would have never been slow like that ourselves.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Who is "we"?
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America. Our leader said concern was bs. Going from 13 to zero. Magic, poof, all good. We won early. But the concern wasn't bs, he was.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
For all intents and purposes we didn’t.

You can’t judge actions properly in hindsight.


If the US took radical action to every single doomsayers predictions we’d spend more time under martial law, in fact every waking minute of our lives would be under martial law, then under normal constitutional rule.
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Feb 28: Hoax

Today we need to lock it down. The whole country. No more games.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Lots of countries.. .including mine, failed to act quickly...

We are looking at a HIGHER death rate than you guys are, per capita

NZ = 0.0031
US = 0.00045

Learn to be objective.
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If you look at the actual number of cases, the US has 215,000 or 650 per 1 million. New Zealand has 797 or 165 per 1 million. I recognized that the US isn't the only country that failed. A lot of leaders around the will have to answer for their decisions at election day.
 
Slavister said:
:lmao

Boy you completely confused yourself there. You lost the whole "freest" part and keep talking about largest by size and largest by population now. You are magically trying to combine two different properties and pretend like it's a common concept.
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The whole point is that it IS about the overlapping largest size and largest population... :lol:

While you are at it, please do tell me, which is the most green and thick-skinned - a apple or an orange?

:lmao
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...And you have descended into nonsensical comparisons....
 
ecofarm said:
There was a hoax. Democrats, the media, scientists and intel services - all hoaxing. Right? Not downplaying. If it was downplaying, the President was wrong about the hoaxing.
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Not true. Progressive champions like Sen. Tom Cotton were ringing the alarm in January, while right wing rags like Huffington Post fought to silence them. Their obfuscation is directly responsible for some of the death toll.

Don't Listen To Sen. Tom Cotton About Coronavirus | HuffPost
 
Metric Mouse said:
Not true. Progressive champions like Sen. Tom Cotton were ringing the alarm in January, while right wing rags like Huffington Post fought to silence them. Their obfuscation is directly responsible for some of the death toll.

Don't Listen To Sen. Tom Cotton About Coronavirus | HuffPost
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Your source:

Cotton also suggested the coronavirus could have come from a Chinese “super laboratory that works with the world’s most deadly pathogens,” boosting a debunked fringe theory circulating among tabloids and conservative media outlets. The conspiracy has gained attention on social media and appeared in a dubious article on right-wing site The Washington Times, whose single named source for the claim was a former Israeli military official suggesting the virus could be linked to a biowarfare program.

“I would note that Wuhan (the province where the ailment was first reported) has China’s only biosafety level-four super laboratory that works with the world’s most deadly pathogens to include, yes, coronavirus,” Cotton tweeted...

“Misinformation around these outbreaks is definitely a problem,” said Dr. Tara Kirk Sell, senior scholar at Baltimore’s Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. “When we undermine trust and get in the way of a public health response, those things can be really dangerous and really bad for trying to stop an outbreak.”

Health professionals and journalists have attempted to push back against the torrent of false information, debunking many of the myths around the virus and its origins. Although the outbreak is a global health emergency that has killed over 200 people and requires serious action, many infectious disease experts have urged patience while they assess the true dangers of the outbreak and cautioned against the kind of fearmongering that Cotton has embraced.
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Read the articles cited in cult newsletters.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Agreed... I guess this only goes to show that (and I hate to appear to be defending Trump when what I am really doing is calling the Trump attackers, in this case, idiots) even though Trump messed things up for the USA, pandemic health care wise, the USA was still the best prepared when the pandemic started.
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Small typo. Adverbs can be important.
 
The situation in the US really hasn't been handled that poorly. Some local responses have been bungled, but the country on a whole has done well.

America has one of the - if not the - best healthcare systems in the world even if most people don't have access to it on a regular basis. But now they all do.

So far, to my knowledge, no one needing ICU care or a ventilator has been denied one and there are still thousands left to hand out.

A vaccine or other treatment is almost certainly going to come from the US or be heavily influenced by research done there.

The government passed the largest stimulus bill ever after closing almost all "non-essential" business. It was also among the first to block incoming travel from China.

Some are calling for a national lock down, but that's misguided. It's hard to see how it would be enforced in a free democratic society and the way the disease surges from one place to the next makes it more practical to rely on local shutdowns established when needed for particular areas.

On a whole, not too bad.
 
JMaximus said:
The situation in the US really hasn't been handled that poorly. Some local responses have been bungled, but the country on a whole has done well.

America has one of the - if not the - best healthcare systems in the world even if most people don't have access to it on a regular basis. But now they all do.

So far, to my knowledge, no one needing ICU care or a ventilator has been denied one and there are still thousands left to hand out.

A vaccine or other treatment is almost certainly going to come from the US or be heavily influenced by research done there.

The government passed the largest stimulus bill ever after closing almost all "non-essential" business. It was also among the first to block incoming travel from China.

Some are calling for a national lock down, but that's misguided. It's hard to see how it would be enforced in a free democratic society and the way the disease surges from one place to the next makes it more practical to rely on local shutdowns established when needed for particular areas.

On a whole, not too bad.
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This reads as alternate reality to me.
 
JMaximus said:
I'm not sure I can help you with that...
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Was not expecting anything from you.

I will try to remember to check back with you at the end of the month, maybe things look much different to you then.
 
Hamish Howl said:
Being prepared doesn't help if you don't act, though.
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Even if they act the onus and responsibility is on us. The government can't ever solve all of our problems. Look at the morons who flooded florida beaches, the idiots who still went on cruises and suddenly want off the ship when the infections took over. Look at the idiots here in MA as we speak at this very moment lining up at starbucks so deep that they need a detail officer...all because their selfish need for starbucks outweighs transmitting a virus to your family members. These are the people you should be pointing fingers at because they will be the ones that bring death to your family not the govt.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Isn't the whole world failing at this... I know that we were slow ...
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The point is that we have a world class setup for this, so we don't have an excuse not to handle it well.
 
ecofarm said:
Your source:




Read the articles cited in cult newsletters.
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Please, the article is bootlicking Trump and parroting his talking points about how the "exercised extensive caution" in its response. Cotton was wrong about the virus being man made, but spot on in his assessment of its damage potential.

Senator Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) has been on an absolute tear about coronavirus, calling for all Americans in China to “get out now,” demanding the U.S. implement an extensive travel ban targeting China proposing a “Manhattan Project-level effort to create a vaccine”
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Is the right attitude.


The U.S. has also exercised extensive caution in handling the crisis, and on Friday the government quarantined 195 Americans who recently flew home from Wuhan.
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Is pure boot licking of the Trump administration and

Although the outbreak is a global health emergency that has killed over 200 people and requires serious action, many infectious disease experts have urged patience while they assess the true dangers of the outbreak and cautioned against the kind of fearmongering that Cotton has embraced.

“Panic is never a useful thing to elicit in a population ... and anyone who’s doing that probably shouldn’t be in a public policy office,” Mina said.
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is downright disinformation.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I read it and nothing about it is about handing out kudos... turn off your goggles of hatred. Be objective, if you can. :lol:
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The John Hopkins study it references? Yeah, sure you did. How about taking off your orange tinted beer googles.

Here's the Johns Hopkins study President Trump referenced in his coronavirus news conference | Hub

In a news conference Wednesday night about the global coronavirus outbreak, President Donald Trump cited a Johns Hopkins study that determined that the U.S. is more prepared to deal with a pandemic than any other country in the world.

"Johns Hopkins, highly respected, … they did a study, comprehensive, the countries best and worst prepared for an epidemic," Trump said in the White House briefing room. "And the United States, we're rated No. 1."

The study he referenced is a report issued in October called the Global Health Security Index, the first-ever comprehensive ranking of 195 countries on their pandemic preparedness. Though the U.S. does sit atop the rankings, overall the report—produced by the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security at the university's Bloomberg School of Public Health, the Nuclear Threat Initiative, and The Economist Intelligence Unit—paints a discouraging picture of global readiness.

"National health security is fundamentally weak around the world," the 324-page report concludes. "No country is fully prepared for epidemics or pandemics, and every country has important gaps to address."

To develop the index, a process that took two and a half years from start to finish, the project team created a framework of 140 questions, organized into six categories and 34 indicators to assess a country's capabilities. Out of a possible score of 100, the average score of all countries assessed was 40.2.

The U.S. scored 83.5 and ranked No. 1 in five of six categories: prevention, early detection and reporting, rapid response and mitigation, sufficient and robust health system, and compliance with international norms. It ranks 19th in overall risk environment and vulnerability to biological threats, a category that assesses political and security risk, socioeconomic resilience, the adequacy of infrastructure, environmental risks, and public health vulnerabilities that may inhibit a country's ability to prevent or respond to an epidemic or pandemic.
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So that one category out of the six the study measured that the US fell well down in rank was the one that literally ended up out Trumping them all. Our failed political leader. So sad.
 
Atomic Kid said:
Tom is no progressive and what he was pushing there was a half baked conspiracy theory.
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The fact that this virus was a serious threat and the United States needed a massive, national level response was not a conspiracy theory.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I am kinda shocked that this is not getting more responses... has this data already been presented in another thread?
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The point of the article is that every nation, including the United States, was ill prepared. This should surprise no one. The U.S. actually ranked 19th "....after Australia, Canada, Singapore and more than a half-dozen European countries — in an assessment of overall risk and vulnerability to biological threats."
 
"Most prepared" is meaningless when no nation anywhere was anything like even remotely prepared for this outbreak. It's like saying one woman is more pregnant than another.
 
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