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National lockdown - how much longer til we have one?

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I've been a proponent for national lockdown on this board since March 13 - March 16

... you know back when we had 2100 cases and 48 deaths ...

I was excited on March 19, when first state finally went on lock down hoping this was the prelude to national lockdown.

But Trump is STILL behind the curve! He left it all to the States... the same States that have 0 border protection.

This piecemeal approach is going to cost lives AND cost more time for economical shut down.

If we did the national shutdown early, it would not have been for nearly as long as we will need it now AND we would not lose so many people along the way.

Only yesterday and today Texas and Florida got the message.

Trump is STILL mismanaging this crisis.

To those that will argue this is not Constitutional, note that both Trump and Pence indicated that national shutdown WAS discussed (March 17, March 20, April 1) but neither one ever brought up how this would be against Constitution. Even if it were, Trump could publicly encourage every state to do a stay-at-home order but Trump / White House never did that, nor has he expressed any interest in doing so.

P.S. Biden called for it on March 27 - also quite late (though I don't know if anyone had asked him earlier), but in any case, clearly still faster than Trump.
 
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Slavister said:
I've been a proponent for national lockdown on this board since March 13 - March 16

... you know back when we had 2100 cases and 48 deaths ...

I was excited on March 19, when first state finally went on lock down hoping this was the prelude to national shut down.

But Trump is STILL behind the curve! He left it all to the States... the same States that have 0 border protection.

This piecemeal approach is going to cost lives AND cost more time for economical shut down.

If we did the national shutdown early, it would not have been for nearly as long as we will need it now AND we would not lose so many people along the way.

Only yesterday and today Texas and Florida got the message.

Trump is STILL mismanaging this crisis.

To those that will argue this is not Constitutional, note that both Trump and Pence indicated that national shutdown WAS discussed but neither one brought up how this would be against Constitution. Even if it were, Trump could publicly encourage every state to do a stay-at-home order but Trump / White House never did that, nor has he expressed any interest in doing so.
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This is a toughie. There are many states where hardly anyone lives anyway. I'm thinking of places like Wyoming and Montana. Maybe in those states the mayors of the few cities they have can make a decision for their own cities. But I am not sure having it apply to the whole state makes sense.
 
ataraxia said:
This is a toughie. There are many states where hardly anyone lives anyway. I'm thinking of places like Wyoming and Montana. Maybe in those states the mayors of the few cities they have can make a decision for their own cities. But I am not sure having it apply to the whole state makes sense.
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Virus can fester in ANY community and overrun their local hospitals and also escape to neighboring communities and states. It can travel to Alaska and to an aircarft carrier... We are way too interconnected, especially within borders of the same country.
 
Slavister said:
I've been a proponent for national lockdown on this board since March 13 - March 16

... you know back when we had 2100 cases and 48 deaths ...

I was excited on March 19, when first state finally went on lock down hoping this was the prelude to national lockdown.

But Trump is STILL behind the curve! He left it all to the States... the same States that have 0 border protection.

This piecemeal approach is going to cost lives AND cost more time for economical shut down.

If we did the national shutdown early, it would not have been for nearly as long as we will need it now AND we would not lose so many people along the way.

Only yesterday and today Texas and Florida got the message.

Trump is STILL mismanaging this crisis.

To those that will argue this is not Constitutional, note that both Trump and Pence indicated that national shutdown WAS discussed (March 17, March 20, April 1) but neither one ever brought up how this would be against Constitution. Even if it were, Trump could publicly encourage every state to do a stay-at-home order but Trump / White House never did that, nor has he expressed any interest in doing so.

P.S. Biden called for it on March 27 - also quite late (though I don't know if anyone had asked him earlier), but in any case, clearly still faster than Trump.
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Thank goodness someone is keeping track of your past posts for posterity.
 
Almost there as NY, FL, LA, IL, CA, and TX implode.
 
Slavister said:
I've been a proponent for national lockdown on this board since March 13 - March 16

... you know back when we had 2100 cases and 48 deaths ...

I was excited on March 19, when first state finally went on lock down hoping this was the prelude to national lockdown.

But Trump is STILL behind the curve! He left it all to the States... the same States that have 0 border protection.

This piecemeal approach is going to cost lives AND cost more time for economical shut down.

If we did the national shutdown early, it would not have been for nearly as long as we will need it now AND we would not lose so many people along the way.

Only yesterday and today Texas and Florida got the message.

Trump is STILL mismanaging this crisis.

To those that will argue this is not Constitutional, note that both Trump and Pence indicated that national shutdown WAS discussed (March 17, March 20, April 1) but neither one ever brought up how this would be against Constitution. Even if it were, Trump could publicly encourage every state to do a stay-at-home order but Trump / White House never did that, nor has he expressed any interest in doing so.

P.S. Biden called for it on March 27 - also quite late (though I don't know if anyone had asked him earlier), but in any case, clearly still faster than Trump.
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Other than 15 States we already are on lockdown.
 
Casper said:
Other than 15 States we already are on lockdown.
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15 states is a LOT of states to spread COVID19 and then deliver it to the states that are supposed to be on lockdown.

And then if States that flatten the curve first (thanks to their lockdown) decide to relax their restrictions, more and more people will start traveling to those other 15 states bringing back the virus. So the other 35 states will need to stay on lockdown LONGER.

In short, with Trump's piecemeal I-take-no-responsibility-States-you-do-it-however-you-like approach
- States that locked down earlier will pay higher economic cost due to having to stay on lockdown longer
- States that locked down later will pay higher human cost due to having spread the virus more

Both economic and human cost will of course not be fully contained but spread across the state borders to other states.


jamesbyoung said:
Almost there as NY, FL, LA, IL, CA, and TX implode.
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Still many states are not on lockdown and still piecemeal even in states that are... How do you like this?

Florida religious services exempt from stay-at-home executive order

"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said religious services conducted in churches, synagogues and houses of worship are “essential business” and therefore exempt from this stay-at-home executive order announced this afternoon."

He should probably suggest they all drink "blood" from the same cup too. It is essential part of some religions after all...

:screwy
 
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States in the South, Mountain West, and Great Plains refusing to shut down will cause rolling waves of delayed curves so that the Nation does not get well at once.

Don’t let lying pence and lying trump rewrite history, while shifting blame to Democrats for their inactions. trump’s own words said his response to the virus wasn’t affected by impeachment.
 
Even today Trump is refusing to lockdown the nation.

Trump is STILL FAILING on managing this crisis

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When asked Wednesday evening during a coronavirus task force briefing why he didn't issue a universal stay-at-home order for the entirety of the country, President Trump implied that some states are basically fine when it comes to the disease.

"There are some states that don't have much of a problem,” he said. “There are some, well they don't have the problem, they don't have thousands of people that are positive or thousands of people that even think they might have it, or hundreds of people in some cases."
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We do not have effective testing and tracing IN ANY STATE. So, him claiming some states don't have a big problem is the same issue he had in January, February and March - he still does not get exponential growth and still does not understand that he is flying blind!

What a failure!
 
Slavister said:
I've been a proponent for national lockdown on this board since March 13 - March 16

... you know back when we had 2100 cases and 48 deaths ...

I was excited on March 19, when first state finally went on lock down hoping this was the prelude to national lockdown.

But Trump is STILL behind the curve! He left it all to the States... the same States that have 0 border protection.

This piecemeal approach is going to cost lives AND cost more time for economical shut down.

If we did the national shutdown early, it would not have been for nearly as long as we will need it now AND we would not lose so many people along the way.

Only yesterday and today Texas and Florida got the message.

Trump is STILL mismanaging this crisis.

To those that will argue this is not Constitutional, note that both Trump and Pence indicated that national shutdown WAS discussed (March 17, March 20, April 1) but neither one ever brought up how this would be against Constitution. Even if it were, Trump could publicly encourage every state to do a stay-at-home order but Trump / White House never did that, nor has he expressed any interest in doing so.

P.S. Biden called for it on March 27 - also quite late (though I don't know if anyone had asked him earlier), but in any case, clearly still faster than Trump.
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My guess is that if we are to do a national lockdown it will happen within 72 hours or not at all
 
There's not going to be a national lockdown because Trump doesn't want to suffer the political fallout from it. He'd much rather let state governments do that.
 
molten_dragon said:
There's not going to be a national lockdown because Trump doesn't want to suffer the political fallout from it. He'd much rather let state governments do that.
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Trump is going to follow the plan drawn up by experts more than a decade ago then......

Fine by Me!
 
Oh look, someone else is stating the obvious...

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Ben Cowling, an epidemiologist at the University of Hong Kong says ... one problem facing the U.S. is that there are many different outbreaks that are being managed primarily at the state level and might peak at different times.

"It's possible that New York could be coming out of lock down, having got the numbers to a low level. But there are other cities where they're having a lot more infections and it is going to be very difficult to have travel restrictions," Cowling says. "And the worst case scenario is that infections are kind of bouncing around the U.S. And so, the lockdown is relaxed and then infections come back and then you have to lockdown again and nobody wants that to happen. So it really is a urgent question to figure out what's the best way to suppress transmission across the whole of the U.S."
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Who would have thought?

Certainly not Trump...

Today he missed another chance to encourage a start to a national lockdown.

Most of population is under lockdown but the 5% that is not is still a HUGE number for the virus to spread, and different states have different restrictions (like Florida allowing religious services to continue).
 
I dunno.

Locking down this city, that county, that state, while other neighboring cities and counties and states are free to roam at will, makes about as much sense as designating a "pee area" in your swimming pool.
 
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