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Hawaii will fine self-quarantine violators $5,000 or send them to prison

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Looks like martial law to me. Where's my constitution?

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Hawaii Gov. David Ige signed a proclamation on Monday that requires residents and visitors who travel between islands to quarantine themselves for 14 days.

Anyone who violates the mandatory quarantine could face up to $5,000 in fines or a year in prison, if convicted.

Hawaii will fine self-quarantine violators $5,000 - CNN
 
You don't understand the Constitution, Robert.

You have no constitutional rights to endanger others.
 
roberthughey said:
Looks like martial law to me. Where's my constitution?

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Hawaii Gov. David Ige signed a proclamation on Monday that requires residents and visitors who travel between islands to quarantine themselves for 14 days.

Anyone who violates the mandatory quarantine could face up to $5,000 in fines or a year in prison, if convicted.

Hawaii will fine self-quarantine violators $5,000 - CNN
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We should explore this constitutional problem you are mentioning, what in your opinion (as in exactly) did Hawaii do that violates the Constitution?
 
roberthughey said:
Looks like martial law to me. Where's my constitution?

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Hawaii Gov. David Ige signed a proclamation on Monday that requires residents and visitors who travel between islands to quarantine themselves for 14 days.

Anyone who violates the mandatory quarantine could face up to $5,000 in fines or a year in prison, if convicted.

Hawaii will fine self-quarantine violators $5,000 - CNN
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This doesn't look at all like martial law. The Patriot Act looks more like martial law.
Anyone who can't get behind this effort and pull together ought to be locked up until the last Covid patient recovers or dies.
 
roberthughey said:
Looks like martial law to me. Where's my constitution?

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Hawaii Gov. David Ige signed a proclamation on Monday that requires residents and visitors who travel between islands to quarantine themselves for 14 days.

Anyone who violates the mandatory quarantine could face up to $5,000 in fines or a year in prison, if convicted.

Hawaii will fine self-quarantine violators $5,000 - CNN
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Everyone has two choices. Obey the order or get fined. Nothing unconstitutional about it.
 
Hmm, it does seem a bit excessive, though. This is a serious crisis, but it seems a bit of overreach for jail times and such.
 
Ikari said:
Hmm, it does seem a bit excessive, though. This is a serious crisis, but it seems a bit of overreach for jail times and such.
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Look at it this way, we can put everyone in jail and spread coronavirus in that confined space.
 
Ikari said:
Hmm, it does seem a bit excessive, though. This is a serious crisis, but it seems a bit of overreach for jail times and such.
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I'm sure that jail time will probably only apply to serious violators. Some people just don't want to take this seriously, so it really does seem like action like this is needed. Hopefully, at least, it serves as a deterrent.
 
Restricting my freedom of movement based on the government's idea it's necessary.

Sorry that I find that troubling.
 
roberthughey said:
Restricting my freedom of movement based on the government's idea it's necessary.

Sorry that I find that troubling.
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Why do you feel your "freedom of movement" allows you to harm others? (That is code for asking why you think your rights are above others.)
 
roberthughey said:
Restricting my freedom of movement based on the government's idea it's necessary.

Sorry that I find that troubling.
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It's troubling but It's temporary and necessary. Think of the war measures in WW2.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Why do you feel your "freedom of movement" allows you to harm others? (That is code for asking why you think your rights are above others.)
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I'm exercising common sense in what I do and my interactions with other people.
 
We still have 17 states who haven't enacted Stay At Home.

It has been shown that using the Stay At Home has flatten the curve in states that took it on early.

People just don't get it.

As a country we had the luxury to sit here and watch as the virus spread in China and Italy. But unfortunately we did not act on that lesson.

We still have morons who think it is just a hoax. This is why you need to make it a punishable crime.
 
TheGoverness said:
I'm sure that jail time will probably only apply to serious violators. Some people just don't want to take this seriously, so it really does seem like action like this is needed. Hopefully, at least, it serves as a deterrent.
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Yes, I'm sure authorities will never abuse assumed powers. When has that ever happened, am I right?
 
TheGoverness said:
I'm sure that jail time will probably only apply to serious violators. Some people just don't want to take this seriously, so it really does seem like action like this is needed. Hopefully, at least, it serves as a deterrent.
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I do hope that people take this seriously, but I think there are limits to what the government is capable of doing. Jail time is a bit extreme, and I think as Orphan points out, that then puts at risk other populations of folk. I'm not really willing to go the whole "Happy Fun Time Camp" for this crisis. I know we have to take this seriously, but I also don't want to see us go all government cray cray because of it.
 
roberthughey said:
Restricting my freedom of movement based on the government's idea it's necessary.

Sorry that I find that troubling.
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Ok, so how about we charge you with reckless endangerment if sick patients can be traced to you and criminally negligent homicide for those who don’t survive instead? Be grateful these people won’t be getting life in prison.
 
Crosscheck said:
We still have 17 states who haven't enacted Stay At Home.

It has been shown that using the Stay At Home has flatten the curve in states that took it on early.

People just don't get it.

As a country we had the luxury to sit here and watch as the virus spread in China and Italy. But unfortunately we did not act on that lesson.

We still have morons who think it is just a hoax. This is why you need to make it a punishable crime.
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If the lesson is cower like children every time things get a little hairy, then screw that lesson. Are we gonna lock everyone in their homes under threat of arrest every time somebody coughs in China?
 
roberthughey said:
I'm exercising common sense in what I do and my interactions with other people.
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Again, the question is why do you feel your "freedom of movement" allows you to harm others? (That is code for asking why you think your rights are above others.)

I guess I can add another qualifier and ask why you think your "common sense" is accurate in dealing with something like coronavirus?

The point of this exchange is everyone has their interpretations of common sense with something like this, moreover we can tell that based on where one gets their information it can greatly influence how they apply interaction with others. There will be events where the government has to step in and deal with monumental events where people are at risk.

And it all goes back to your Constitutional issue, what did Hawaii do that violated the Constitution?

What I am really asking is why do you think your rights are above others since you went there and claimed "common sense" which also suggests you believe you are right on mitigating risk to others no matter how you got to that conclusion. You could be harming others and not even know it, so why should you be able to weaponize your rights?
 
Napoleon said:
Ok, so how about we charge you with reckless endangerment if sick patients can be traced to you and criminally negligent homicide for those who don’t survive instead? Be grateful these people won’t be getting life in prison.
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How many people are you willing to put into prison forever to prevent other people from getting sick? It doesn't seem to me like you or others advocating for harsh penalties and total lockdowns really care much about protecting people at all.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
How many people are you willing to put into prison forever to prevent other people from getting sick? It doesn't seem to me like you or others advocating for harsh penalties and total lockdowns really care much about protecting people at all.
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As many as it takes. Millions of people don’t deserve to die because you don’t want to park your ass on the couch for a few weeks.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Again, the question is why do you feel your "freedom of movement" allows you to harm others? (That is code for asking why you think your rights are above others.)

I guess I can add another qualifier and ask why you think your "common sense" is accurate in dealing with something like coronavirus?

The point of this exchange is everyone has their interpretations of common sense with something like this, moreover we can tell that based on where one gets their information it can greatly influence how they apply interaction with others. There will be events where the government has to step in and deal with monumental events where people are at risk.

And it all goes back to your Constitutional issue, what did Hawaii do that violated the Constitution?

What I am really asking is why do you think your rights are above others since you went there and claimed "common sense" which also suggests you believe you are right on mitigating risk to others no matter how you got to that conclusion. You could be harming others and not even know it, so why should you be able to weaponize your rights?
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You have a very broad definition of what constitutes harm. Your saying that the tiny but preventable risks my movement in the world creates for you justifies your control of my movements. I reject that at its core.
 
jonny5 said:
You dont understand the constitution James. The constitution doesnt grant rights.
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The government and law and the Constitution of course do not recognize 'natural rights,' jonny. Period. You have no right to endanger others, and you can be held for damages if you do.
 
Napoleon said:
As many as it takes. Millions of people don’t deserve to die because you don’t want to park your ass on the couch for a few weeks.
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This is pure hysteria. Millions of lives do not depend on my staying on the couch. What you've written here is utter fear-based nonsense, and completely disconnected of the real risk-profile of this virus and the current global statistics.

There is no real-world scenario where millions of people die from this -- at least not short term.
 
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