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Amazon fires New York worker who led strike over coronavirus concerns

mike2810 said:
That is my opinion. He was instructed to stay home. He was being paid for the 14 days.
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Yep.
He was willfully insubordinate with his employer's orders.
 
OrphanSlug said:
It is Amazon we are talking about here. They coNuld start a national prostitution ring and not face much trouble... probably even find unique ways to avoid paying taxes on that line of business as well.

But this story speaks volumes as to how little the worker means to Amazon.
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Not true.
 
He led a walkout, so he had to be fired.
 
I go out of my way to not shop Amazon!

Not only that I find Amazon overall more expensive and never necessarily a bargain kind of like Wal-Mart.

Local is good enough for me ............ and often times less money.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Which part?
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Keep reading the sources posted later in the thread.
If anyone was making it unsafe for others it was the fired employee who defied his employer's order to stay home for 14 days with pay.
 
Jetboogieman said:
At what point in your life did you think hey, I'm gonna be totally horrible to everyone and everything to the point of supporting something like this, about just wanting to protect people and healthcare workers being muzzled so they can't raise the alarm about lack of supplies...

Like, when did this happen and why?

I have to understand the psychology behind it.
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If you saw the movie "Parasite" he's the guy in the basement yelling "Respect!" A mindless subservience to the oligarch ruling class.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
If you saw the movie "Parasite" he's the guy in the basement yelling "Respect!" A mindless subservience to the oligarch ruling class.
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Pretty much anyone who votes Republican who's upper middle class and lower.
 
mike2810 said:
not refuting that protective measure may be needed and should be implemented. Seems some are saying the worker should not have been fired. He decided not to follow the company instructions. I was addressing the firing. The firing is justified, imo.

Let me ask you . Would you want an employee to come to work after they have been instructed to stay home with pay because they may have the virus?
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He wasn't there to work, but to protest.

The issue they fired him for (possibly exposing other workers to covid-19) wouldn't have been an issue if his company had simply done the things he's asking for in the protest.
 
JacksinPA said:
Whatever. Not good PR for Bezos.
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Why should he care what anyone thinks? This covid-19 situation is astronomically profitable to him and all the other super rich. You are I are nothing, nobody. A dollar is everything to him.
 
Sounds like a good start. Fire all of them that went on strike. Shouldnt be a problem hiring minimum wage employees doing a minimum wage job for 18 an hour.
 
Sounds like he handled it poorly in a legal sense. If he was off the clock and part of his protest was openly calling for employees to unionize, he would have been protected from retaliation by his employer under federal law even in a right-to-work state. (Unless law has changed since I was a union steward and involved in some organizing activities.) It may not have gottent his job back, but then it would get him his pay.

Often, in law what you say and do not say is everything. Before doing just about anything of legal risk, the person should explore it very carefully. One wrong word or word not said might be the difference between being fully protected and covered for loses - or put you in prison.
 
all anti-union people should have no problem with this.
 
KevinKohler said:
He wasn't there to work, but to protest.

The issue they fired him for (possibly exposing other workers to covid-19) wouldn't have been an issue if his company had simply done the things he's asking for in the protest.
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Correct me if I am wrong. He was sent home because he had been exposed.
The company said he would be on 14 paid quarantine.
He came back to the company before the 14 days.
He potentially exposed more employees
Hence he is fired. He should of stayed home.

Sorry, but if you want to say well if the company provided PPE he may never have been exposed and no need for protest.
Well if he had no job at Amazon in the first place he would not have been exposed or possible expose others.
 
trixare4kids said:
Keep reading the sources posted later in the thread.
If anyone was making it unsafe for others it was the fired employee who defied his employer's order to stay home for 14 days with pay.
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For doing exactly what they accuse Amazon of.....putting people in danger to get what they want...sounds like a modern lefty.
 
Independent worker group calls for Whole Foods 'sick out' over coronavirus

NEW YORK (Reuters) - An independent group of workers at Whole Foods Market called on colleagues to phone in sick to the grocer’s stores on Tuesday to protest what they say is a lack of adequate compensation and protections from the coronavirus.

Independent worker group calls for Whole Foods 'sick out' over coronavirus - Reuters

Amazon owns Whole Foods.
 
mike2810 said:
Correct me if I am wrong. He was sent home because he had been exposed.
The company said he would be on 14 paid quarantine.
He came back to the company before the 14 days.
He potentially exposed more employees
Hence he is fired. He should of stayed home.

Sorry, but if you want to say well if the company provided PPE he may never have been exposed and no need for protest.
Well if he had no job at Amazon in the first place he would not have been exposed or possible expose others.
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You're right!


If we just fired everyone, and didn't have any jobs, we could just get rid of OSHA, too!
 
KevinKohler said:
You're right!


If we just fired everyone, and didn't have any jobs, we could just get rid of OSHA, too!
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:lamo

So are you ok with the person who may have COVID-19 leave home and participate in the strike?
 
mike2810 said:
:lamo

So are you ok with the person who may have COVID-19 leave home and participate in the strike?
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Of course not.

Are you OK with companies requiring "vital" employees (who just so happen to be the lowest paid) to work during a pandemic while not providing any PPE?
 
KevinKohler said:
Of course not.

Are you OK with companies requiring "vital" employees (who just so happen to be the lowest paid) to work during a pandemic while not providing any PPE?
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Depends on the what job they are doing. I would suggest that the company should follow OSHA and other federal guidelines pertaining to this outbreak.

What does a company do when there is no PPE or limited supplies available?
 
mike2810 said:
Depends on the what job they are doing. I would suggest that the company should follow OSHA and other federal guidelines pertaining to this outbreak.

What does a company do when there is no PPE or limited supplies available?
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Don't mandate that their team work.

You don't go onto a construction site without a hard hat, do you?
 
KevinKohler said:
Don't mandate that their team work.

You don't go onto a construction site without a hard hat, do you?
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So constructions workers should now wear PPE for the virus?

I answered your question, I would suggest that the company should follow OSHA and other federal guidelines pertaining to this outbreak.

So does OSHA or FEMA or CDC mandate PPE for COVID 19 for Amazon workers?
 
mike2810 said:
So constructions workers should now wear PPE for the virus?

I answered your question, I would suggest that the company should follow OSHA and other federal guidelines pertaining to this outbreak.

So does OSHA or FEMA or CDC mandate PPE for COVID 19 for Amazon workers?
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They do for everyone else.

Seen the news lately?

Tell you what...I will agree with you about the firing, if you agree with me about the impending lawsuit for failure to provide even minimal PPE for known work related health risks.
 
KevinKohler said:
They do for everyone else.

Seen the news lately?

Tell you what...I will agree with you about the firing, if you agree with me about the impending lawsuit for failure to provide even minimal PPE for known work related health risks.
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People can file a lawsuit if they want. imo, I doubt if it will get very far. So yes, they can go ahead. What I did find interesting on a news vid regarding Amazon was a vid showing workers wearing regular work gloves, some with safety vests, but no hardhats. Much like in Home Depot.

Based on what you have said then every business should have provided PPE a couple of months ago to all employees. What defense will bring up is what was the OSHA, CDC rules for COVID-19 at that time.

If you are still working did your business provide PPE to all employees when the virus was first reported?
 
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