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Culling the herd

Paradoxical said:
We just added two trillion in debt and you say we should spend more on other countries to reduce their populations?
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Setting up clinics and providing contraceptives and abortions to women is way cheaper than stopping a pandemic. Overcrowded countries with a huge % of poverty is where viruses begin, flourish and expand to industrialized countries. It is in our own best interest to spend money for programs that reduce population instead of spending 100x more money stopping the pandemics that originate in the overpopulated countries.
 
weaver2 said:
Setting up clinics and providing contraceptives and abortions to women is way cheaper than stopping a pandemic. Overcrowded countries with a huge % of poverty is where viruses begin, flourish and expand to industrialized countries. It is in our own best interest to spend money for programs that reduce population instead of spending 100x more money stopping the pandemics that originate in the overpopulated countries.
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We don't have the money.
 
Paradoxical said:
We don't have the money.
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Prior to the Christian right Mexico gag rule on foreign aid the US spent $600M on reproductive health clinics, education and women's contraceptives. The coronavirus pandemic is estimated to cost the US $900B.

Tripling reproductive health aid to $1.8B is still way cheaper than paying for a pandemic. Health clinics are instrumental in stopping expensive pandemics where they start. If you don't support women reproductive health you keep paying for pandemics over and over. That's what happens when you let religion instead of science run government programs.
 
Visbek said:
Clearly we do, since we just passed a $2 trillion bailout bill. And it won't be the only one.
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We’re broke. Get another sucker. Our future humans are too much in debt now.
 
weaver2 said:
Prior to the Christian right Mexico gag rule on foreign aid the US spent $600M on reproductive health clinics, education and women's contraceptives. The coronavirus pandemic is estimated to cost the US $900B.

Tripling reproductive health aid to $1.8B is still way cheaper than paying for a pandemic. Health clinics are instrumental in stopping expensive pandemics where they start. If you don't support women reproductive health you keep paying for pandemics over and over. That's what happens when you let religion instead of science run government programs.
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Third world countries did not cause this. China did.
 
Paradoxical said:
We’re broke.
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lol... Apparently not. In case you missed it, people are literally throwing money at the US government right now.


Our future humans are too much in debt now.
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I've been hearing that for longer than I care to admit, and it keeps not happening.

The recession is going to hurt, in more ways than one. But yes, we can certainly afford to help other nations with many issues, for a long time to come. Spending $1 billion per year to distribute condoms internationally is like knocking crumbs off the table.
 
Visbek said:
lol... Apparently not. In case you missed it, people are literally throwing money at the US government right now.



I've been hearing that for longer than I care to admit, and it keeps not happening.

The recession is going to hurt, in more ways than one. But yes, we can certainly afford to help other nations with many issues, for a long time to come. Spending $1 billion per year to distribute condoms internationally is like knocking crumbs off the table.
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Where do we get this money from that you want for your pet projects?
 
Paradoxical said:
We’re broke. Get another sucker. Our future humans are too much in debt now.
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So, it's better to burden America's future humans with the cost of repeated pandemics than to let one women control her reproductive life by getting cheap contraceptives or an abortion. This is why theocracies never last very long. They sacrifice intelligence on the alter of religious orthodoxy.
 
weaver2 said:
So, it's better to burden America's future humans with the cost of repeated pandemics than to let one women control her reproductive life by getting cheap contraceptives or an abortion. This is why theocracies never last very long. They sacrifice intelligence on the alter of religious orthodoxy.
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This started in CHINA. Has nothing to do with third world countries who by the way, are less affected than most with this virus.
 
Paradoxical said:
Where do we get this money from that you want for your pet projects?
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lol

In 2019, the federal government spent $4.5 trillion. $1 billion is 0.02% of total federal spending.

Clearly, we can afford to spend $1 billion to distribute condoms around the world, if we wanted.

We get the money from taxes and borrowing. And yet again, people are shoveling money at the federal government right now, which is why the interest rate on a 5-year T-bill is 0.88%. That's below the rate of inflation. People want to lend money to the federal government so badly, they are literally willing to lose money in the process.
 
Paradoxical said:
I can only go by what is reported. Those people under 65 in hospitals? They STILL will fare better than those over 65. It's how mathematics works when you get into larger numbers. The great president Trump brought a fully stocked and staffed medical ship into New York. Anyone on CNN or MSM highlight that?
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Every one saw that ship, did you see the tent hospital in Central Park? If we can't treat everyone the death rates will go way up and people will start dying of other ailments and accident too. No one is immune from this virus and 20% of the sick need hospitalization. Isn't that enough to use drastic measures to reduce the spread? If not what would be?

As of Monday morning, it estimates that more than 2,000 people could die each day in the United States in mid-April, when the virus is predicted to hit the country hardest. The model, which is updated regularly, predicts that 224,000 hospital beds -- 61,000 more than we'll have -- will be needed on April 15, when the US is estimated to reach "peak resource use."
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US coronavirus: model cited by White House says 82,000 people could die by August, even with social distancing - CNN
 
Trump supporters just cannot escape the inescapable fact that they and Trump are the only people who are to blame for killing your relatives. This has nothing, not one thing to do with elderly people, it has to do with normal-minded people blaming the true culprits and that is inescapably Trump and his supporters. Its not the media, Obama's Administration, or any other factor. When you vote you are supposed to not only think of policies, but of who can manage the government in a crises. Every single Trump supporter had mortally incorrect judgement on that question, that is going to kill us in the hundreds of thousands. We need to cull Trump supporters from our normal-minded herd! I think we should identify local Trump supporters and throw our dead relatives on their property in keeping with how Arlington Cemetery was started. If not a relative, perhaps a gutted feral pig so they know exactly how we feel about them.
 
Visbek said:
lol

In 2019, the federal government spent $4.5 trillion. $1 billion is 0.02% of total federal spending.

Clearly, we can afford to spend $1 billion to distribute condoms around the world, if we wanted.

We get the money from taxes and borrowing. And yet again, people are shoveling money at the federal government right now, which is why the interest rate on a 5-year T-bill is 0.88%. That's below the rate of inflation. People want to lend money to the federal government so badly, they are literally willing to lose money in the process.
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Nope. It's MY money and I don't want to spend it in that manner. America first.
 
iguanaman said:
Every one saw that ship, did you see the tent hospital in Central Park? If we can't treat everyone the death rates will go way up and people will start dying of other ailments and accident too. No one is immune from this virus and 20% of the sick need hospitalization. Isn't that enough to use drastic measures to reduce the spread? If not what would be?



US coronavirus: model cited by White House says 82,000 people could die by August, even with social distancing - CNN
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I don't care about a model. My prediction is that less than 75,000 will die and it will probably be far less than 75,000. there is not going to be any 2000 a day for a month. It is going to taper off soon as mre people get tested and you will also see a tapering off of those needing to be tested. You hard it first here.
 
Paradoxical said:
Humanity has a tendency to bury it's head in the sand and not want to see the elephant in the room.

...... "statistics don't lie" and what they don't lie about, which is what almost none want to hear or admit, is that nature will cull the herd when the herd gets too large, too close together, and too old and weak. Like a lion picking off the weakest buffalo. We have many, many more people living now that over 65 than ever before in the history of mankind.

The other big problem is too many people living in one area. We now have tracts where you don't have enough room to put a pool in, condo complexes, apartments and high rises as opposed to decades ago where houses were a football field or more away. Look up where the most deaths are occurring and you will find that better than 90% or more are those cities with the most population density per square mile.

NATURE is telling us we are squeezing too many people too close together and that it will take it upon itself to cull out the old and the weak. Like it or not.
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So your solution to the crowding and poverty that cause pandemics is to let the disease kill off people over 65. Here's the problem; in those countries where deadly viruses originate people don't live to 65. The industrialized countries with birth rate below replacement level are losing the cumulated wisdom and experience of 65+ years. This is a serious brain drain for countries that depend on industries that use mental power rather than muscle power.

Why not deal with the elephant where it exists, in poor overpopulated countries, instead of pretending that losing the most experienced people in the country is solving overpopulation in poor countries. To reduce population you need to reduce the number of children born.
 
Paradoxical said:
I don't care about a model. My prediction is that less than 75,000 will die and it will probably be far less than 75,000. there is not going to be any 2000 a day for a month. It is going to taper off soon as mre people get tested and you will also see a tapering off of those needing to be tested. You hard it first here.
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So now that you predicting twice as many deaths in a few months as the flu causes in a year we don't have hear your claims that covid 19 is "just a Flu" anymore?
 
Paradoxical said:
My age is irrelevant.
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The hell it is. I'll bet anything you're a young punk that has no respect for senior citizens.

I promise you you'll be a senior citizen faster than you can imagine.
 
weaver2 said:
So your solution to the crowding and poverty that cause pandemics is to let the disease kill off people over 65. Here's the problem; in those countries where deadly viruses originate people don't live to 65. The industrialized countries with birth rate below replacement level are losing the cumulated wisdom and experience of 65+ years. This is a serious brain drain for countries that depend on industries that use mental power rather than muscle power.

Why not deal with the elephant where it exists, in poor overpopulated countries, instead of pretending that losing the most experienced people in the country is solving overpopulation in poor countries. To reduce population you need to reduce the number of children born.
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This started in China. Are you saying we need to provide condoms for China??
 
Paradoxical said:
You could say that about parts of California.
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California has a GDP larger than a lot of countries in the world.

I've got to hand it to you. You are really good at digging your hole deeper and deeper and looking dumber and dumber. Do you find it odd you have very few supporters in this thread. In fact not sure you have any.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
The hell it is. I'll bet anything you're a young punk that has no respect for senior citizens.

I promise you you'll be a senior citizen faster than you can imagine.
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I am much older than you may think but it is still irrelevant to the facts. pointing out mathematics is not being disrespectful and I will not allow anyone to try to stop me on the lie that I am disrespecting older people. Your post is one of trying to control me through intimidation and guilt. That is a famous tactic of the religious and far left.
 
Paradoxical said:
Nope. It's MY money and I don't want to spend it in that manner. America first.
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Yup, it's your money paying for $900B every 3 or 4 years forever to pay for epidemics originating in a poor crowded countries, instead of funding women's reproductive health clinics and cheap women's birth control for $1B every year until the overpopulation problem, the pandemic problem and your money problems. I believe that sort of thinking is called "throwing money down a rathole". I'm eternally thankful that you are not in charge of monetary policy.
 
iguanaman said:
So now that you predicting twice as many deaths in a few months as the flu causes in a year we don't have hear your claims that covid 19 is "just a Flu" anymore?
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It is a virus and so is the flu a virus. It appears to be stronger than the regular flu Virus. Nonetheless it is still a virus. Some idiot posted that would be 2 million deaths. Another said a million. This is BS. I would do a poll but that would be seen as crass and rude. I'm saying the hysteria is way overblown.
 
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