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Culling the herd

Paradoxical

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Humanity has a tendency to bury it's head in the sand and not want to see the elephant in the room. Here we are freaking out over a NEW virus and trying to fool the public that the flu is not ALSO a virus except we don't add a name to it when it comes around each year. A virus by any other name is still a virus. This one appears to be deadlier and more infectious than the ones before it. How much more won't be known for several months. We have been warned decades ago that a virus could come along and wipe out millions of humans and we ignore it. A virus can mutate into something stronger than it was before. In their universe of trillions, if a vaccine or "cure' kills all but 100 of them, those 100 have developed immunity and multiply into something new and previously unseen and then it's back to the drawing board for the scientists while hundreds of thousands die.

There is a term "Ball don't lie" and we can also say "statistics don't lie" and what they don't lie about, which is what almost none want to hear or admit, is that nature will cull the herd when the herd gets too large, too close together, and too old and weak. Like a lion picking off the weakest buffalo. We have many, many more people living now that over 65 than ever before in the history of mankind. This is due to science and medicine keeping humans alive who would have otherwise died just a few decades ago because of brand new operations and procedures that have been invented and perfected. BUT.........those same people who were spared have other issues such as heart disease, diabetes, lung disease etc. and are walking around with those ticking time bombs for many more years than they otherwise would have just a few decades ago because they were saved by some operation or drug for a different disease that would have killed them. For instance, we have stents now and cholesterol lowering pills and high blood pressure medication. All of these are expected and demanded by a society that fears death and wants to live forever.

Now then, look at the stats from the CDC website for deaths by the "flu" which I have shortened for the purpose of this post:

Year deaths over 65
2010-2011 36656 25,128
2011-2012 12,447 9,374
2012-2013 42,570 35,167
2013-2014 37,930 28,414
2014-2015 51,376 44,808
2015-2016 22,705 17,458
2016-2017 32,833 32,833
2017-2018 61,099 50,903

Totals 297,616 244,805

Average per year = 37,202
Percentage of people over 65 who die equals 82%



Coronavirus Fatality Statistics By Age, Gender and Conditions – NextBigFuture.com


Patients who reported no pre-existing (“comorbid”) medical conditions had a case fatality rate of 0.9%.
Having heart, lung, and diabetes increases the rate of death by 7 to 12 times.
Coronavirus (COVID-19) is most problematic if you are over 70, a smoker and already had heart and lung problems of some kind.

The other big problem is too many people living in one area. We now have tracts where you don't have enough room to put a pool in, condo complexes, apartments and high rises as opposed to decades ago where houses were a football field or more away. Look up where the most deaths are occurring and you will find that better than 90% or more are those cities with the most population density per square mile.

NATURE is telling us we are squeezing too many people too close together and that it will take it upon itself to cull out the old and the weak. Like it or not.

As a side note, what also happens is that the death rate is somewhat inflated because all of those people in the italicized above are included and while technically the China Virus may have been the cause of death, was it really?
 
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Maybe after this, places like LA and San Francisco will rethink their war on single family residence......but probably not.
 
The problem is people in China who have gum disease gnawing on a bat on a stick.
 
Paradoxical said:
Humanity has a tendency to bury it's head in the sand and not want to see the elephant in the room. Here we are freaking out over a NEW virus and trying to fool the public that the flu is not ALSO a virus except we don't add a name to it when it comes around each year. A virus by any other name is still a virus. This one appears to be deadlier and more infectious than the ones before it. How much more won't be known for several months. We have been warned decades ago that a virus could come along and wipe out millions of humans and we ignore it. A virus can mutate into something stronger than it was before. In their universe of trillions, if a vaccine or "cure' kills all but 100 of them, those 100 have developed immunity and multiply into something new and previously unseen and then it's back to the drawing board for the scientists while hundreds of thousands die.

There is a term "Ball don't lie" and we can also say "statistics don't lie" and what they don't lie about, which is what almost none want to hear or admit, is that nature will cull the herd when the herd gets too large, too close together, and too old and weak. Like a lion picking off the weakest buffalo. We have many, many more people living now that over 65 than ever before in the history of mankind. This is due to science and medicine keeping humans alive who would have otherwise died just a few decades ago because of brand new operations and procedures that have been invented and perfected. BUT.........those same people who were spared have other issues such as heart disease, diabetes, lung disease etc. and are walking around with those ticking time bombs for many more years than they otherwise would have just a few decades ago because they were saved by some operation or drug for a different disease that would have killed them. For instance, we have stents now and cholesterol lowering pills and high blood pressure medication. All of these are expected and demanded by a society that fears death and wants to live forever.

Now then, look at the stats from the CDC website for deaths by the "flu" which I have shortened for the purpose of this post:

Year deaths over 65
2010-2011 36656 25,128
2011-2012 12,447 9,374
2012-2013 42,570 35,167
2013-2014 37,930 28,414
2014-2015 51,376 44,808
2015-2016 22,705 17,458
2016-2017 32,833 32,833
2017-2018 61,099 50,903

Totals 297,616 244,805

Average per year = 37,202
Percentage of people over 65 who die equals 82%



Coronavirus Fatality Statistics By Age, Gender and Conditions – NextBigFuture.com


Patients who reported no pre-existing (“comorbid”) medical conditions had a case fatality rate of 0.9%.
Having heart, lung, and diabetes increases the rate of death by 7 to 12 times.
Coronavirus (COVID-19) is most problematic if you are over 70, a smoker and already had heart and lung problems of some kind.

The other big problem is too many people living in one area. We now have tracts where you don't have enough room to put a pool in, condo complexes, apartments and high rises as opposed to decades ago where houses were a football field or more away. Look up where the most deaths are occurring and you will find that better than 90% or more are those cities with the most population density per square mile.

NATURE is telling us we are squeezing too many people too close together and that it will take it upon itself to cull out the old and the weak. Like it or not.

As a side note, what also happens is that the death rate is somewhat inflated because all of those people in the italicized above are included and while technically the China Virus may have been the cause of death, was it really?
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Nature may by its cruel indifference may thin out the species but this is a cold, heartless and disgusting way to put it. Not to mention the timing stinks.
 
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Drawdown said:
Maybe after this, places like LA and San Francisco will rethink their war on single family residence......but probably not.
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Going into a large city or on a cruise or plane is like going into a sardine can. Chances are that if just ONE person in that sardine can has an infectious disease, most of the others will get it as well. This isn't over. We will get through THIS new virus but another will come, and another. We need to rethink large cities, condo complexes, apartments, high rises. But, we won't. We will pretend like children covering their eyes that the elephant will go away. Medical expenses for the old who don't ever want to die will crush the world.
 
grip said:
Nature may by its cruel indifference thin out the species but this is a cold, heartless and disgusting way to put it. Not to mention the timing stinks.
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In tragic times, the truth must be told for those who aren't getting it because society frowns upon showing the elephant in the room. This is why we tell someone who loses a loved one that we'll pray for him or her, as if that is going to help. Only babies should be coddled and swaddled. Adults who can't handle the truth have been babied by their parents and a society who wants them to believe falsehoods so that they don't get scared. Knowledge is power.
 
Paradoxical said:
In tragic times, the truth must be told for those who aren't getting it because society frowns upon showing the elephant in the room. This is why we tell someone who loses a loved one that we'll pray for him or her, as if that is going to help. Only babies should be coddled and swaddled. Adults who can't handle the truth have been babied by their parents and a society who wants them to believe falsehoods so that they don't get scared. Knowledge is power.
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Knowledge may be power but cruel info at this time doesn't console anyone. You need a little EQ to go with that IQ or you'll end up working at DQ. ;)
 
grip said:
Knowledge may be power but cruel info at this time doesn't console anyone. You need a little EQ to go with that IQ or you'll end up working at DQ. ;)
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I gave a like to your post because I thought it was humorous even though I disagree. The knowledge I am referring to is the cold hard facts that don't lie, like "ball don't lie' and the fact is that 82% of the people who die from the flu are over 65 and the same will hold true for this NEW virus. For those who weren't previously aware of this knowledge because MSM isn't giving it to them, those under 65 and in good health can rest easier knowing that the probability of THEM dying is less than 20% of those who die. I didn't show it, but did you know that those under 9 appear to be immune? Would that be good information for those with young children or should we hide it and pretend that everyone is "equal" in keeping with some notion that we are all the same even when it comes to dying from this NEW virus?

Similarly, for those over 65, this is VITAL information for them that if they have diabetes, heart disease or other issues, they should be especially careful and stay away from crowds t all costs for the foreseeable future. This knowledge and truth should be helpful to all. The truth should always be revealed. Feelings are irrelevant. Those should be discussed with a shrink and good luck with that because they have a very high suicide rate. I believe society is screwed up today because they hold feelings in high esteem and truth be damned.
 
Paradoxical said:
I gave a like to your post because I thought it was humorous even though I disagree. The knowledge I am referring to is the cold hard facts that don't lie, like "ball don't lie' and the fact is that 82% of the people who die from the flu are over 65 and the same will hold true for this NEW virus. For those who weren't previously aware of this knowledge because MSM isn't giving it to them, those under 65 and in good health can rest easier knowing that the probability of THEM dying is less than 20% of those who die. I didn't show it, but did you know that those under 9 appear to be immune? Would that be good information for those with young children or should we hide it and pretend that everyone is "equal" in keeping with some notion that we are all the same even when it comes to dying from this NEW virus?

Similarly, for those over 65, this is VITAL information for them that if they have diabetes, heart disease or other issues, they should be especially careful and stay away from crowds t all costs for the foreseeable future. This knowledge and truth should be helpful to all. The truth should always be revealed. Feelings are irrelevant. Those should be discussed with a shrink and good luck with that because they have a very high suicide rate. I believe society is screwed up today because they hold feelings in high esteem and truth be damned.
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There's nothing wrong with helpful info and statistical data, it's all in how you present it. It comes across better when done with a little tact and understanding. Humans are not just facts on some spreadsheet for bean counters to add up and dismiss. I don't doubt your numbers and have a tendency to be too blunt myself.
 
grip said:
There's nothing wrong with helpful info and statistical data, it's all in how you present it. It comes across better when done with a little tact and understanding. Humans are not just facts on some spreadsheet for bean counters to add up and dismiss. I don't doubt your numbers and have a tendency to be too blunt myself.
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I again disagree. I am not a priest or a counselor. If someone gets sad or offended by what I say or how I present, it's on them.

It should go without saying that I empathize with anyone affected by this virus. It should be obvious that I care and others care. But that shouldn't mean one should be careful to couch his words or presentation or leave facts out because they may upset someone.
 
Paradoxical said:
I again disagree. I am not a priest or a counselor. If someone gets sad or offended by what I say or how I present, it's on them.

It should go without saying that I empathize with anyone affected by this virus. It should be obvious that I care and others care. But that shouldn't mean one should be careful to couch his words or presentation or leave facts out because they may upset someone.
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You follow your horse and I'll ride mine.
 
grip said:
The horse is your mind. I control mine while you follow behind yours, stepping in its... :shock:
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You do 't know what the ef you're talking about. This very thread is about people getting the cold hard facts so they CAN control their mind and reactions and your posts have been about fake comfort and hiding the fact that over 80% of the people who die are over 65. If that isn't controlling ones mind while burying the truth because someone may be upset is, then we live in cuckoo land.
 
Paradoxical said:
You do 't know what the ef you're talking about. This very thread is about people getting the cold hard facts so they CAN control their mind and reactions and your posts have been about fake comfort and hiding the fact that over 80% of the people who die are over 65. If that isn't controlling ones mind while burying the truth because someone may be upset is, then we live in cuckoo land.
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See what I mean, self control.
 
Paradoxical said:
Humanity has a tendency to bury it's head in the sand and not want to see the elephant in the room. Here we are freaking out over a NEW virus and trying to fool the public that the flu is not ALSO a virus except we don't add a name to it when it comes around each year. A virus by any other name is still a virus. This one appears to be deadlier and more infectious than the ones before it. How much more won't be known for several months. We have been warned decades ago that a virus could come along and wipe out millions of humans and we ignore it. A virus can mutate into something stronger than it was before. In their universe of trillions, if a vaccine or "cure' kills all but 100 of them, those 100 have developed immunity and multiply into something new and previously unseen and then it's back to the drawing board for the scientists while hundreds of thousands die.

There is a term "Ball don't lie" and we can also say "statistics don't lie" and what they don't lie about, which is what almost none want to hear or admit, is that nature will cull the herd when the herd gets too large, too close together, and too old and weak. Like a lion picking off the weakest buffalo. We have many, many more people living now that over 65 than ever before in the history of mankind. This is due to science and medicine keeping humans alive who would have otherwise died just a few decades ago because of brand new operations and procedures that have been invented and perfected. BUT.........those same people who were spared have other issues such as heart disease, diabetes, lung disease etc. and are walking around with those ticking time bombs for many more years than they otherwise would have just a few decades ago because they were saved by some operation or drug for a different disease that would have killed them. For instance, we have stents now and cholesterol lowering pills and high blood pressure medication. All of these are expected and demanded by a society that fears death and wants to live forever.

Now then, look at the stats from the CDC website for deaths by the "flu" which I have shortened for the purpose of this post:

Year deaths over 65
2010-2011 36656 25,128
2011-2012 12,447 9,374
2012-2013 42,570 35,167
2013-2014 37,930 28,414
2014-2015 51,376 44,808
2015-2016 22,705 17,458
2016-2017 32,833 32,833
2017-2018 61,099 50,903

Totals 297,616 244,805

Average per year = 37,202
Percentage of people over 65 who die equals 82%



Coronavirus Fatality Statistics By Age, Gender and Conditions – NextBigFuture.com


Patients who reported no pre-existing (“comorbid”) medical conditions had a case fatality rate of 0.9%.
Having heart, lung, and diabetes increases the rate of death by 7 to 12 times.
Coronavirus (COVID-19) is most problematic if you are over 70, a smoker and already had heart and lung problems of some kind.

The other big problem is too many people living in one area. We now have tracts where you don't have enough room to put a pool in, condo complexes, apartments and high rises as opposed to decades ago where houses were a football field or more away. Look up where the most deaths are occurring and you will find that better than 90% or more are those cities with the most population density per square mile.

NATURE is telling us we are squeezing too many people too close together and that it will take it upon itself to cull out the old and the weak. Like it or not.

As a side note, what also happens is that the death rate is somewhat inflated because all of those people in the italicized above are included and while technically the China Virus may have been the cause of death, was it really?
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Paradoxical:

There has always been a tug-of-war between natural deaths and humanity's ingenuity to prevent them. In that tug-of-war there have been setbacks for humanity. However we have also had great success in preserving human life, in lengthening human life expectancies and improving the quality of life for many of our species. Covid-19 will be a setback, but we must persevere and find vaccines and antiviral therapies to manage the virus and to limit its opportunities to proliferate and mutate.

To do otherwise is for our species to lay down and die. Extinction is not an option. We must fight and beat this virus and all future pathogenic threats, for the rest of our human history forward. That's just the way it is.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Paradoxical:

High density housing and mega-cities are here for the foreseeable future. We do not have the resources nor the space to house 7+ billion human beings in single family homes. That kind of residential expansion would eliminate too much arable land from food production and we as a species would starve until we reached a much lower carrying capacity population. So high density housing is here to stay. We must find other firewalls to block or slow the spread of future pathogens in the human population as distance and local isolation are not options.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Paradoxical said:
Humanity has a tendency to bury it's head in the sand and not want to see the elephant in the room. Here we are freaking out over a NEW virus and trying to fool the public that the flu is not ALSO a virus except we don't add a name to it when it comes around each year. A virus by any other name is still a virus. This one appears to be deadlier and more infectious than the ones before it. How much more won't be known for several months. We have been warned decades ago that a virus could come along and wipe out millions of humans and we ignore it. A virus can mutate into something stronger than it was before. In their universe of trillions, if a vaccine or "cure' kills all but 100 of them, those 100 have developed immunity and multiply into something new and previously unseen and then it's back to the drawing board for the scientists while hundreds of thousands die.

There is a term "Ball don't lie" and we can also say "statistics don't lie" and what they don't lie about, which is what almost none want to hear or admit, is that nature will cull the herd when the herd gets too large, too close together, and too old and weak. Like a lion picking off the weakest buffalo. We have many, many more people living now that over 65 than ever before in the history of mankind. This is due to science and medicine keeping humans alive who would have otherwise died just a few decades ago because of brand new operations and procedures that have been invented and perfected. BUT.........those same people who were spared have other issues such as heart disease, diabetes, lung disease etc. and are walking around with those ticking time bombs for many more years than they otherwise would have just a few decades ago because they were saved by some operation or drug for a different disease that would have killed them. For instance, we have stents now and cholesterol lowering pills and high blood pressure medication. All of these are expected and demanded by a society that fears death and wants to live forever.

Now then, look at the stats from the CDC website for deaths by the "flu" which I have shortened for the purpose of this post:

Year deaths over 65
2010-2011 36656 25,128
2011-2012 12,447 9,374
2012-2013 42,570 35,167
2013-2014 37,930 28,414
2014-2015 51,376 44,808
2015-2016 22,705 17,458
2016-2017 32,833 32,833
2017-2018 61,099 50,903

Totals 297,616 244,805

Average per year = 37,202
Percentage of people over 65 who die equals 82%



Coronavirus Fatality Statistics By Age, Gender and Conditions – NextBigFuture.com


Patients who reported no pre-existing (“comorbid”) medical conditions had a case fatality rate of 0.9%.
Having heart, lung, and diabetes increases the rate of death by 7 to 12 times.
Coronavirus (COVID-19) is most problematic if you are over 70, a smoker and already had heart and lung problems of some kind.

The other big problem is too many people living in one area. We now have tracts where you don't have enough room to put a pool in, condo complexes, apartments and high rises as opposed to decades ago where houses were a football field or more away. Look up where the most deaths are occurring and you will find that better than 90% or more are those cities with the most population density per square mile.

NATURE is telling us we are squeezing too many people too close together and that it will take it upon itself to cull out the old and the weak. Like it or not.

As a side note, what also happens is that the death rate is somewhat inflated because all of those people in the italicized above are included and while technically the China Virus may have been the cause of death, was it really?
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You really, really need to stop politicizing this and educate yourself on it. Here is a surgeon to explain the detailed pathophysiology of the disease and why it's not just like the flu. I urge everyone to listen to this video. It has really good information.

I don't care how young and healthy you think you are. This thing can kill you.

 
ataraxia said:
You really, really need to stop politicizing this and educate yourself on it. Here is a surgeon to explain the detailed pathophysiology of the disease and why it's not just like the flu. I urge everyone to listen to this video. It has really good information.

I don't care how young and healthy you think you are. This thing can kill you.

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Thanks. I was wondering if it is worth my time reading the OP.
 
Evilroddy said:
Paradoxical:

There has always been a tug-of-war between natural deaths and humanity's ingenuity to prevent them. In that tug-of-war there have been setbacks for humanity. However we have also had great success in preserving human life, in lengthening human life expectancies and improving the quality of life for many of our species. Covid-19 will be a setback, but we must persevere and find vaccines and antiviral therapies to manage the virus and to limit its opportunities to proliferate and mutate.

To do otherwise is for our species to lay down and die. Extinction is not an option. We must fight and beat this virus and all future pathogenic threats, for the rest of our human history forward. That's just the way it is.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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All I did in the post was to point out facts using data, which is that over 80% of the people who die from this are over 65. I also pointed out the facts and the math that this NEW virus is infecting primarily the cities that are most densely populated. t is also a fact that in a jungle, the weakest of the herd which is usually the oldest because they can no longer run as fast, are attacked and die. Those facts will not change and do not change and I am merely a messenger and imparting information which people can consider and take whatever steps are appropriate based on their own circumstances.

In just the last 50 years the life expectancy for people over 65 has increased by abut 5%, meaning that in a population of 330 million, we have 16 million MORE people alive today over 65 than we did just 50 years ago. Since the flu virus kills 80% of the people in that age bracket that are infected, simple mathematics tells us that these viruses are going to kill many more people than they ever have before even if they don't get any stronger.

The aging population and how it would inevitably wreak havoc on societies has been written about decades ago in many books and we are now seeing the results of over population, over density of housing, extremely high medical costs because the aged require far more medical services. If it gets too bad, the younger people in societies may rebel because the costs will be too burdensome.
 
ataraxia said:
You really, really need to stop politicizing this and educate yourself on it. Here is a surgeon to explain the detailed pathophysiology of the disease and why it's not just like the flu. I urge everyone to listen to this video. It has really good information.

I don't care how young and healthy you think you are. This thing can kill you.

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This post and video has zero to do with my OP. Please read for comprehension and not just slap up some video that has nothing to do with what I'm saying.
 
Paradoxical said:
All I did in the post was to point out facts using data, which is that over 80% of the people who die from this are over 65. I also pointed out the facts and the math that this NEW virus is infecting primarily the cities that are most densely populated. t is also a fact that in a jungle, the weakest of the herd which is usually the oldest because they can no longer run as fast, are attacked and die. Those facts will not change and do not change and I am merely a messenger and imparting information which people can consider and take whatever steps are appropriate based on their own circumstances.

In just the last 50 years the life expectancy for people over 65 has increased by abut 5%, meaning that in a population of 330 million, we have 16 million MORE people alive today over 65 than we did just 50 years ago. Since the flu virus kills 80% of the people in that age bracket that are infected, simple mathematics tells us that these viruses are going to kill many more people than they ever have before even if they don't get any stronger.

The aging population and how it would inevitably wreak havoc on societies has been written about decades ago in many books and we are now seeing the results of over population, over density of housing, extremely high medical costs because the aged require far more medical services. If it gets too bad, the younger people in societies may rebel because the costs will be too burdensome.
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In modern societies, we have better ways of controlling population than war, famine and disease. We can do fine without them.

Big cities, densely populated, are where a lot of things happen in the modern world: large businesses and important academic and research centers, airports, seaports, rich cultural activities like concerts and theaters, manufacturing centers, stock exchange, sporting events, etc... big, densely populated areas are the backbone of what we know as the modern world.

Are you suggesting America give up on all that and go back to being some 18th century pre-industrial agrarian society?
 
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