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    Re: Culling the herd

    Quote Originally Posted by Paradoxical View Post
    Humanity has a tendency to bury it's head in the sand and not want to see the elephant in the room. Here we are freaking out over a NEW virus and trying to fool the public that the flu is not ALSO a virus except we don't add a name to it when it comes around each year. A virus by any other name is still a virus. This one appears to be deadlier and more infectious than the ones before it. How much more won't be known for several months. We have been warned decades ago that a virus could come along and wipe out millions of humans and we ignore it. A virus can mutate into something stronger than it was before. In their universe of trillions, if a vaccine or "cure' kills all but 100 of them, those 100 have developed immunity and multiply into something new and previously unseen and then it's back to the drawing board for the scientists while hundreds of thousands die.

    There is a term "Ball don't lie" and we can also say "statistics don't lie" and what they don't lie about, which is what almost none want to hear or admit, is that nature will cull the herd when the herd gets too large, too close together, and too old and weak. Like a lion picking off the weakest buffalo. We have many, many more people living now that over 65 than ever before in the history of mankind. This is due to science and medicine keeping humans alive who would have otherwise died just a few decades ago because of brand new operations and procedures that have been invented and perfected. BUT.........those same people who were spared have other issues such as heart disease, diabetes, lung disease etc. and are walking around with those ticking time bombs for many more years than they otherwise would have just a few decades ago because they were saved by some operation or drug for a different disease that would have killed them. For instance, we have stents now and cholesterol lowering pills and high blood pressure medication. All of these are expected and demanded by a society that fears death and wants to live forever.

    Now then, look at the stats from the CDC website for deaths by the "flu" which I have shortened for the purpose of this post:

    Year deaths over 65
    2010-2011 36656 25,128
    2011-2012 12,447 9,374
    2012-2013 42,570 35,167
    2013-2014 37,930 28,414
    2014-2015 51,376 44,808
    2015-2016 22,705 17,458
    2016-2017 32,833 32,833
    2017-2018 61,099 50,903

    Totals 297,616 244,805

    Average per year = 37,202
    Percentage of people over 65 who die equals 82%



    Coronavirus Fatality Statistics By Age, Gender and Conditions – NextBigFuture.com


    Patients who reported no pre-existing (“comorbid”) medical conditions had a case fatality rate of 0.9%.
    Having heart, lung, and diabetes increases the rate of death by 7 to 12 times.
    Coronavirus (COVID-19) is most problematic if you are over 70,
    a smoker and already had heart and lung problems of some kind.

    The other big problem is too many people living in one area. We now have tracts where you don't have enough room to put a pool in, condo complexes, apartments and high rises as opposed to decades ago where houses were a football field or more away. Look up where the most deaths are occurring and you will find that better than 90% or more are those cities with the most population density per square mile.

    NATURE is telling us we are squeezing too many people too close together and that it will take it upon itself to cull out the old and the weak. Like it or not.

    As a side note, what also happens is that the death rate is somewhat inflated because all of those people in the italicized above are included and while technically the China Virus may have been the cause of death, was it really?
    You really, really need to stop politicizing this and educate yourself on it. Here is a surgeon to explain the detailed pathophysiology of the disease and why it's not just like the flu. I urge everyone to listen to this video. It has really good information.

    I don't care how young and healthy you think you are. This thing can kill you.


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    Re: Culling the herd

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    You really, really need to stop politicizing this and educate yourself on it. Here is a surgeon to explain the detailed pathophysiology of the disease and why it's not just like the flu. I urge everyone to listen to this video. It has really good information.

    I don't care how young and healthy you think you are. This thing can kill you.

    Thanks. I was wondering if it is worth my time reading the OP.
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    Re: Culling the herd

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilroddy View Post
    Paradoxical:

    There has always been a tug-of-war between natural deaths and humanity's ingenuity to prevent them. In that tug-of-war there have been setbacks for humanity. However we have also had great success in preserving human life, in lengthening human life expectancies and improving the quality of life for many of our species. Covid-19 will be a setback, but we must persevere and find vaccines and antiviral therapies to manage the virus and to limit its opportunities to proliferate and mutate.

    To do otherwise is for our species to lay down and die. Extinction is not an option. We must fight and beat this virus and all future pathogenic threats, for the rest of our human history forward. That's just the way it is.

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    All I did in the post was to point out facts using data, which is that over 80% of the people who die from this are over 65. I also pointed out the facts and the math that this NEW virus is infecting primarily the cities that are most densely populated. t is also a fact that in a jungle, the weakest of the herd which is usually the oldest because they can no longer run as fast, are attacked and die. Those facts will not change and do not change and I am merely a messenger and imparting information which people can consider and take whatever steps are appropriate based on their own circumstances.

    In just the last 50 years the life expectancy for people over 65 has increased by abut 5%, meaning that in a population of 330 million, we have 16 million MORE people alive today over 65 than we did just 50 years ago. Since the flu virus kills 80% of the people in that age bracket that are infected, simple mathematics tells us that these viruses are going to kill many more people than they ever have before even if they don't get any stronger.

    The aging population and how it would inevitably wreak havoc on societies has been written about decades ago in many books and we are now seeing the results of over population, over density of housing, extremely high medical costs because the aged require far more medical services. If it gets too bad, the younger people in societies may rebel because the costs will be too burdensome.
    When the debate is lost, the loser resorts to slander.

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    Re: Culling the herd

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    You really, really need to stop politicizing this and educate yourself on it. Here is a surgeon to explain the detailed pathophysiology of the disease and why it's not just like the flu. I urge everyone to listen to this video. It has really good information.

    I don't care how young and healthy you think you are. This thing can kill you.

    This post and video has zero to do with my OP. Please read for comprehension and not just slap up some video that has nothing to do with what I'm saying.
    When the debate is lost, the loser resorts to slander.

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    Re: Culling the herd

    Quote Originally Posted by Paradoxical View Post
    All I did in the post was to point out facts using data, which is that over 80% of the people who die from this are over 65. I also pointed out the facts and the math that this NEW virus is infecting primarily the cities that are most densely populated. t is also a fact that in a jungle, the weakest of the herd which is usually the oldest because they can no longer run as fast, are attacked and die. Those facts will not change and do not change and I am merely a messenger and imparting information which people can consider and take whatever steps are appropriate based on their own circumstances.

    In just the last 50 years the life expectancy for people over 65 has increased by abut 5%, meaning that in a population of 330 million, we have 16 million MORE people alive today over 65 than we did just 50 years ago. Since the flu virus kills 80% of the people in that age bracket that are infected, simple mathematics tells us that these viruses are going to kill many more people than they ever have before even if they don't get any stronger.

    The aging population and how it would inevitably wreak havoc on societies has been written about decades ago in many books and we are now seeing the results of over population, over density of housing, extremely high medical costs because the aged require far more medical services. If it gets too bad, the younger people in societies may rebel because the costs will be too burdensome.
    In modern societies, we have better ways of controlling population than war, famine and disease. We can do fine without them.

    Big cities, densely populated, are where a lot of things happen in the modern world: large businesses and important academic and research centers, airports, seaports, rich cultural activities like concerts and theaters, manufacturing centers, stock exchange, sporting events, etc... big, densely populated areas are the backbone of what we know as the modern world.

    Are you suggesting America give up on all that and go back to being some 18th century pre-industrial agrarian society?

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    Re: Culling the herd

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    In modern societies, we have better ways of controlling population than war, famine and disease. We can do fine without them.

    Big cities, densely populated, are where a lot of things happen in the modern world: large businesses and important academic and research centers, airports, seaports, rich cultural activities like concerts and theaters, manufacturing centers, stock exchange, sporting events, etc... big, densely populated areas are the backbone of what we know as the modern world.

    Are you suggesting America give up on all that and go back to being some 18th century pre-industrial agrarian society?
    Birth control and abortion. But then there's conservatives that will fight to abolish either of those.









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    Re: Culling the herd

    Quote Originally Posted by HumblePi View Post
    Birth control and abortion. But then there's conservatives that will fight to abolish either of those.
    Yes, but when it comes to war and famine, they seem to rub their hands with glee. Very odd.

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    Re: Culling the herd

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    In modern societies, we have better ways of controlling population than war, famine and disease. We can do fine without them.

    Big cities, densely populated, are where a lot of things happen in the modern world: large businesses and important academic and research centers, airports, seaports, rich cultural activities like concerts and theaters, manufacturing centers, stock exchange, sporting events, etc... big, densely populated areas are the backbone of what we know as the modern world.

    Are you suggesting America give up on all that and go back to being some 18th century pre-industrial agrarian society?
    I am suggesting nothing of the kind. I don't know where you got that. I just pointed out the facts. The flu kills over 80% of the people over 65 who get it and this virus is about the same in that regard. I also pointed out that my research shows that primarily the most densely populated cities are the hardest hit. I further pointed out that in nature, the weakest creatures in the pack are killed first.

    Anyone can read those facts and act accordingly. If and when this virus gets a vaccine or cure, another will come along in due course. Maybe 10 years, 20. Who knows? The same scenario will be played out again. Viruses don't care.
    When the debate is lost, the loser resorts to slander.

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    Re: Culling the herd

    Quote Originally Posted by Paradoxical View Post
    Humanity has a tendency to bury it's head in the sand and not want to see the elephant in the room. Here we are freaking out over a NEW virus and trying to fool the public that the flu is not ALSO a virus except we don't add a name to it when it comes around each year. A virus by any other name is still a virus. This one appears to be deadlier and more infectious than the ones before it. How much more won't be known for several months. We have been warned decades ago that a virus could come along and wipe out millions of humans and we ignore it. A virus can mutate into something stronger than it was before. In their universe of trillions, if a vaccine or "cure' kills all but 100 of them, those 100 have developed immunity and multiply into something new and previously unseen and then it's back to the drawing board for the scientists while hundreds of thousands die.

    There is a term "Ball don't lie" and we can also say "statistics don't lie" and what they don't lie about, which is what almost none want to hear or admit, is that nature will cull the herd when the herd gets too large, too close together, and too old and weak. Like a lion picking off the weakest buffalo. We have many, many more people living now that over 65 than ever before in the history of mankind. This is due to science and medicine keeping humans alive who would have otherwise died just a few decades ago because of brand new operations and procedures that have been invented and perfected. BUT.........those same people who were spared have other issues such as heart disease, diabetes, lung disease etc. and are walking around with those ticking time bombs for many more years than they otherwise would have just a few decades ago because they were saved by some operation or drug for a different disease that would have killed them. For instance, we have stents now and cholesterol lowering pills and high blood pressure medication. All of these are expected and demanded by a society that fears death and wants to live forever.

    Now then, look at the stats from the CDC website for deaths by the "flu" which I have shortened for the purpose of this post:

    Year deaths over 65
    2010-2011 36656 25,128
    2011-2012 12,447 9,374
    2012-2013 42,570 35,167
    2013-2014 37,930 28,414
    2014-2015 51,376 44,808
    2015-2016 22,705 17,458
    2016-2017 32,833 32,833
    2017-2018 61,099 50,903

    Totals 297,616 244,805

    Average per year = 37,202
    Percentage of people over 65 who die equals 82%



    Coronavirus Fatality Statistics By Age, Gender and Conditions – NextBigFuture.com


    Patients who reported no pre-existing (“comorbid”) medical conditions had a case fatality rate of 0.9%.
    Having heart, lung, and diabetes increases the rate of death by 7 to 12 times.
    Coronavirus (COVID-19) is most problematic if you are over 70,
    a smoker and already had heart and lung problems of some kind.

    The other big problem is too many people living in one area. We now have tracts where you don't have enough room to put a pool in, condo complexes, apartments and high rises as opposed to decades ago where houses were a football field or more away. Look up where the most deaths are occurring and you will find that better than 90% or more are those cities with the most population density per square mile.

    NATURE is telling us we are squeezing too many people too close together and that it will take it upon itself to cull out the old and the weak. Like it or not.

    As a side note, what also happens is that the death rate is somewhat inflated because all of those people in the italicized above are included and while technically the China Virus may have been the cause of death, was it really?
    So the solution is for a much lower population. This is something pushed by the far-left types who believe we are over-consuming and ruining the planet. I actually agree. We should be making birth control and abotions free for all. However, we will have to deal with a really big elderly population for a while.

    People with pre-existing conditions are going to die more. Better hope you don't get old or sick huh. Unfortunately this will have little impact on natural selection, since most people have already passed on their genes by the time they are old and can die from covid. So this disease is here to stay until we find treatments.

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    Re: Culling the herd

    Quote Originally Posted by Paradoxical View Post
    I am suggesting nothing of the kind. I don't know where you got that. I just pointed out the facts. The flu kills over 80% of the people over 65 who get it and this virus is about the same in that regard. I also pointed out that my research shows that primarily the most densely populated cities are the hardest hit. I further pointed out that in nature, the weakest creatures in the pack are killed first.

    Anyone can read those facts and act accordingly. If and when this virus gets a vaccine or cure, another will come along in due course. Maybe 10 years, 20. Who knows? The same scenario will be played out again. Viruses don't care.
    That’s why we need more funding for the NIH and virology research. There has to be a better way, and chances are Science will find it one of these days.

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