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Trump's ever-changing Corona virus narrative

RabidAlpaca said:
Millions of Americans travel in and out of the country every year, pretending blocking all immigrants would've stopped this is ridiculous.
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It's amazing that you are so wrapped around your own delusions that you have come to the position that international travel bans of thousands of people daily are impossible but state and national quarantines of hundreds of millions aren't. :roll: :lol:

The quotes I read that way were Hawkeye and Joko pretending they always took the virus super seriously and that it was really the Democrats who tried to downplay it.
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Was it or was it not the Democrats who labeled the ban on travel to be an overreaction?

How embarrassing, you didn't get the memo. Trump admitted that if this crisis were to be mishandled it could result in 2+ million deaths, see link in the OP, which you consider insane fear mongering. I've never known you to attack dear leader like that.
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Trump didn't say there will be 2 million deaths. Trump said there were reports that there would be 2 million deaths. How can you get this so dismally and embarrassingly wrong?
 
TomFitz said:
No one outside of Trump’s head, and all the fools that dwell in his cult of personality take your excuse making and deflections seriously.
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Your inability to respond with anything useful is noted.

Trump's statements within the same time frame reflect the same uncertainty that was reflected in the media, the health experts and the WHO guidance. You need that to not be the case because you are desperate. I'm sorry to break it to you.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Trump's ever changing "narrative" is no different from the narratives of any number of other leaders and public health experts from the early stages until now.

Here in Canada, the Prime Minister dismissed suggestions about closing the borders to foreign travel from hot spots and then days later did just that. The Prime Minister and other civic leaders called on Canadians to patronize Chinese businesses in our cities instead of being scared about Chinese carriers of the virus who travelled back to Canada from Wuhan and other areas of China, days before those same civic leaders were closing down all restaurants and businesses that are non-essential and only allowing take out or delivery of prepared foods.

If your "narrative" doesn't change as you acquire additional, relevant facts, you're an idiot. Leaders don't always get the right answer or response to an issue on the first attempt - since this is a whole new event for most of us who are alive today, that's to be expected and not criticized.
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Well stated. :applaud

I had been a proponent of herd immunity early on, but I've changed my position. I still don't expect the death toll in the US to surpass the death toll of a bad flu year.. but I could be wrong, and either way I support the effort to quarantine as much as possible.

It is also simply a fact that much of the world's response to COVID-19 early on was due in large part to purposeful disinformation from the Chinese government on the seriousness of COVID-19, and the WHO's choice to endorse that disinformation.

From what we gather, all of the fault within China lands squarely on the government officials and their Chernobyl-like response while the doctors and nurses on the front lines in China tried desperately to inform the world about what was happening.

I don't blame any of the countries getting hammered by this today, they are all doing the best they can, all trying to learn on the fly after getting a late start due to the Chinese government's false claims.

the one positive I can say for certain from the global response, excluding China, is that between innovations and advances in Canada, Europe, Israel and the US, this is probably COVID-19's first and last hurrah.
 
jmotivator said:
I had been a proponent of herd immunity early on, but I've changed my position.
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Translation: I advocated for just letting it infect everybody until I realized how dumbass of a position that was.

jmotivator said:
It's amazing that you are so wrapped around your own delusions that you have come to the position that international travel bans of thousands of people daily are impossible but state and national quarantines of hundreds of millions aren't. :roll: :lol:
Was it or was it not the Democrats who labeled the ban on travel to be an overreaction?
Trump didn't say there will be 2 million deaths. Trump said there were reports that there would be 2 million deaths. How can you get this so dismally and embarrassingly wrong?
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It's all a hoax and a liberal conspiracy to ruin the economy and make Trump look bad, remember?

While I think it's pathetic that you won't own up to your mistakes, I am glad you guys are at least admitting it's real and serious now.
 
TomFitz said:
They haven’t given up on the “hoax”. Nor has their fearful “leader”.

It’s all about absolving Trump from responsibility.
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My opinion, over the next months we shall see more stories of the Trump Admins disconnect- Now Fauci imho spurred Trump into extending guidelines til 30 Apr after announcing same day on CNN that fatalities could reach 100-200 K

Trump had to get out in front, yet still denied anything about relaxing them, and complete denial he ever stated that NY-NJ parts of CT be quarantined by the Feds
 
jmotivator said:
Your inability to respond with anything useful is noted.

Trump's statements within the same time frame reflect the same uncertainty that was reflected in the media, the health experts and the WHO guidance. You need that to not be the case because you are desperate. I'm sorry to break it to you.
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No, they don’t.

And neither do yours. Read your own posts, and you whistled past the graveyard with this same intensity as your fuhrer.

Over the weekend, your fuhrer stood on the tarmac and openly speculated about declaring an embargo in Connecticut, New York, nad New Jersey.

Then he got in the helicopter and forgot about it. No announcement followed.

9-11 switchboards, websites and phone lines overloaded with calls from thousands wanting to know about the potential embargo that apparantly appeared, and then disappeared from Trump’s brain.

Nothing more was said about it from the White House.

By now, most of the citizens of those three states have come to realize that this is just Trump, the incompetent fool, talking out his a$$ again.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
Translation: I advocated for just letting it infect everybody until I realized how dumbass of a position that was.
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How many infected due to complete and utter negligence by Boris and his herd immunity theory/disaster.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Translation: I advocated for just letting it infect everybody until I realized how dumbass of a position that was.
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I advocated quarantining those who were at high risk for serious complications (you know, the ones who are actually dying in large numbers?) and shutting down air travel from hit spots (you know, the sources of COVID-19 vectoring into the US?)

It's all a hoax and a liberal conspiracy to ruin the economy and make Trump look bad, remember?

While I think it's pathetic that you won't own up to your mistakes, I am glad you guys are at least admitting it's real and serious now.
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Since you didn't actually respond to what I said I can assume my statement hit that mark. While I supported quarantining those with a clear risk of serious complications and shutting down flights from global hot spots you promote full quarantine... and not stopping international flights? How does that work? :lamo
 
CanadaJohn said:
Trump's ever changing "narrative" is no different from the narratives of any number of other leaders and public health experts from the early stages until now.

Here in Canada, the Prime Minister dismissed suggestions about closing the borders to foreign travel from hot spots and then days later did just that. The Prime Minister and other civic leaders called on Canadians to patronize Chinese businesses in our cities instead of being scared about Chinese carriers of the virus who travelled back to Canada from Wuhan and other areas of China, days before those same civic leaders were closing down all restaurants and businesses that are non-essential and only allowing take out or delivery of prepared foods.

If your "narrative" doesn't change as you acquire additional, relevant facts, you're an idiot. Leaders don't always get the right answer or response to an issue on the first attempt - since this is a whole new event for most of us who are alive today, that's to be expected and not criticized.
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I've posted a little example of how fast the news changes in another thread. To summarize, I'm the media person for a charitable org, and I've no sooner gotten the word out than that word changes, often entirely.
 
JANFU said:
How many infected due to complete and utter negligence by Boris and his herd immunity theory/disaster.
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Why don't you mention Germany and all the other countries that chose that path? Could you try not selecting your targets politically for a day? :roll:

Of all the ways you may want to view coronavirus by geopolitical boundaries, the EU is second only to China.
 
jmotivator said:
Hahaha! Gotta love your weasel-words response.

Speaking of what you call "misinformation":

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But all of this nonsense is just because you and the rest of your ilk can't bear to address the fact that the problem with the spread in NYC has nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with de Blasio.
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Another Trumpite who doesn't know his native language all that well. Look up the meaning of weasel words.

Apart from that I agree DeBlasio bears responsibility for NY's late response.
 
TomFitz said:
No, they don’t.
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Yes, they do. The WHO was reporting a low rate of human-to-human transmission well into January, and Trump shut down flights when the WHO was saying that it wasn't necessary.

the news media ran endless stories in the late January and February time frame making the very same COVID-to-Flu comparisons the president was, and the WHO was, and it all stemmed from the purposeful disinformation coming out of China at the time, and continues to this day.

We have seen it reemerge in these threads as well as the usual suspects in the media who think there is some reasonable comparison of total US cases versus reported Chinese cases. It's just Chinese propaganda that these news sources happily pass on because they realize it will play well with their nitwit followers.
 
jmotivator said:
Why don't you mention Germany and all the other countries that chose that path? Could you try not selecting your targets politically for a day? :roll:

Of all the ways you may want to view coronavirus by geopolitical boundaries, the EU is second only to China.
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Comment was related to late closures- up North here we acted while numbers were low in many Provinces.
US for the most part did not

When Governors did enact closures early, many TDA's (Trump Devoted Acolytes) were in complete denial about the danger from C19

You can start one for Germany or all EU

Go for it and send me an invite

And yes you can do it in this special Forum
 
nota bene said:
I've posted a little example of how fast the news changes in another thread. To summarize, I'm the media person for a charitable org, and I've no sooner gotten the word out than that word changes, often entirely.
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And?

That is the environment that every elected official exists in all the time. That’s part of the job.

And situations are fluid, and public opinion lags as information keeps up.

Real elected offcials learn to roll with these punches.

They know better than to offer BS reassurances. They know better than to downplay the threat while attacking the inevitable critics.

Real leaders don’t spend their press conferences attacking reporters and trying to rewrite the recent past.
 
jmotivator said:
Yes, they do. The WHO was reporting a low rate of human-to-human transmission well into January, and Trump shut down flights when the WHO was saying that it wasn't necessary.

the news media ran endless stories in the late January and February time frame making the very same COVID-to-Flu comparisons the president was, and the WHO was, and it all stemmed from the purposeful disinformation coming out of China at the time, and continues to this day.

We have seen it reemerge in these threads as well as the usual suspects in the media who think there is some reasonable comparison of total US cases versus reported Chinese cases. It's just Chinese propaganda that these news sources happily pass on because they realize it will play well with their nitwit followers.
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Yes, attacking the WHO is another new right wing meme.

Indeed, that the new Trumpster theme, as you are dutifully parroting.

We all saw Donald Trump downplay and contradict health care professionals and experts repeatedly over the last three weeks.

Much of what he says comes as a complete surprise (and often shock) to the people on the Dias with him. That’s obvious from the sidelong glances and rolling eyes.

Now, Trumpster media is adopting the newly backdated Trumpster excuse.

Sorry, but you can play those games all you want.

But your fool’s gold fuhrer will be back on the air, attacking reporters, riffing about his ratings, and telling us all that it isn’t his responsibility.
 
TomFitz said:
And?

That is the environment that every elected official exists in all the time. That’s part of the job.

And situations are fluid, and public opinion lags as information keeps up.

Real elected offcials learn to roll with these punches.

They know better than to offer BS reassurances. They know better than to downplay the threat while attacking the inevitable critics.

Real leaders don’t spend their press conferences attacking reporters and trying to rewrite the recent past.
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I'm going to assume here that you're a media expert and journalist who appreciates ordinary vs extraordinary news cycles.
 
JackA said:
Another Trumpite who doesn't know his native language all that well. Look up the meaning of weasel words.
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You used weasel words. Statements like "leading Democrats" is purposely vague and undefined. Define the term.

Are you saying that no "leading Democrat" took the College of London report seriously? Do you think the College of London report is possible?

Apart from that I agree DeBlasio bears responsibility for NY's late response.
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We agree on something.
 
Torus34 said:
Lest we forget:

"And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done." President of the United States of America Donald Trump.

Regards to all, and stay well. Be thankful you're not one of the '15'.
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Donald Trump is a thundering disgrace, a godawful excuse for a president and a known conman who is deplorably narcissistic.
 
TomFitz said:
Yes, attacking the WHO is another new right wing meme.
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So, attacking Trump for getting information wrong is approved while attacking the WHO for getting information wrong is a "right wing meme"? :roll:

That's pretty much all anyone needs to know about using you as a source of reasonable discussion.
 
nota bene said:
I'm going to assume here that you're a media expert and journalist who appreciates ordinary vs extraordinary news cycles.
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You can safely assume that I have actually served in public office.
 
jmotivator said:
So, attacking Trump for getting information wrong is approved while attacking the WHO for getting information wrong is a "right wing meme"? :roll:

That's pretty much all anyone needs to know about using you as a source of reasonable discussion.
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No, that’s the rationalization that Trumpster media is trying to shop to its denial audience.

We all own televisions.

Trump is a creature of television. He thinks the screen is real life.

And we have all watched him repeatedly second guess and contradict the experts. Even when he was standing next to them.

We’re not interested in your talk radio games.

Trump is no leader. Never has been. His word is worthless. He can be summed up in a sentence.

“No, I take no responsibility at all.“
 
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ecofarm said:
"We did one of the great jobs, you say, "how's President Dru... Trump doing?" They go, "oh, not good, not good". They have no clue. They don't have any clue... We did something that's been pretty amazing. We're fifteen people in this massive country. And because of the fact that we won early. We won early."
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That quote coincides with our shipment of 17.8 tons of masks, respirators, and other PPE to China.

U.S. sent 17.8 tons of masks, respirators, other PPE to China in February | OurQuadCities
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Excuses update:

"Everyone was wrong so who cares about how wrong he was!?" - 1
"The impeachment hoax distracted him." - 2
"Immigrants did this." - 3
"America's biggest cities were hit worst and they're liberals, so it's actually the Democrat's fault." - 2
"I was the first to sound the alarm, the Democrats were the ones saying it was a hoax!" - 1
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The CDC says don't wear a mask, so why is your avatar wearing one? Can't follow simple directions?
 
j brown's body said:
Trump only closed China for Chinese, not for others coming from China. It was too little too late.
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Yeah, if he had done it for our own citizens, you'd be howling to this day. SMH
 
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