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Trump concedes US coronavirus death toll could be 100,000 or more

Chomsky said:
I think we're setting our sights too low here, with Trump. And that's what scares me.

For him to come-out like that today was either out of character, or if still in character it's then scariest thing I've ever heard. Why? Because there's a cadre of legit appearing people who believe we will end up with 1 or 1.2M to 4M deceased. And if true, I have no faith Trump would tell us the truth.
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OK, we both know that Trump can play fast and loose with words. This is already known and history will not be kind to him for it..

But the keyboard experts on here are always blaming any person they don't like by placing every single word under a microscope. Mother Theresa would be considered a pathological liar by their whiny ass agendas.

Have you taken into account how China's lying and deceit have affected the world with this virus?

Have you taken into account that the experts that deal with these outbreaks only have probables to work with, while some people on here are expecting them to nail the numbers as though as though the virus is made on controlled production line?

Go look up all the expert predictions on the virus and take a close look at the huge range of their predictions.

You cannot accurately predict probables.
 
Chomsky said:
I'm not sure what to make of NY either, but my suspicion is part of it is the density of close public interaction. It seems to be the case in the major dense cities.

I live in one of the very largest metro areas of the country. It's a very dense urban area that is very well served by public transportation, which is pretty much required if you want to work downtown. My neighborhood is getting lit-up like a Christmas tree! Including people I know, and there's been several fatalities we know. I fear the near future, that we may follow NY's footsteps. But since we had one of the very first cases stateside, I'm hoping we are at near parity in time-line with NY, and not significantly behind them.

We literally fear leaving our house. But we need one more food run for the freezer, if we want to be able to remain secluded for the next 6 weeks (we do!).
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It's the same down here. Most of the cases are in and around the Atlanta Metro Area. Busy airports may also be a culprit. Although I assume they're not so busy now. Density of people sure seems right. But then what about Chicago, they don't seem to have the problem New York does? I just don't know.

As for food, I've always had a month's or so supply on hand. especially in can goods and stuff like peanut butter.
 
trixare4kids said:
It is good to hear him acknowledge scientific facts. Um, didn't Fauci say this essentially, in that Trump has his own style but that he knows he listens to him? He's listening.
I applaud him for saying it 'damn straight up, skippy'
His warnings should not be ignored and yes, I have to wonder if he now knows this thing is out of control and will be much worse than 100k.
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Trump is a CEO and is, therefore, a numbers guy.

As the numbers changed, so his understanding and pronouncements on the situation have changed.

Relaying his real time and honest understanding of the situation, based on the advice from the leading experts in the world in every area of the response, to the American people seems like a good idea.

What would you prefer he do?
 
jaypatriot said:
Here's a good debate question based on your comments above:
How would anyone know if Trump does a good job?

The political polarization won't allow for an honest evaluation months from now.
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Like anything else political. It's all about a person's perspective on the event or the issue. I'd just like to note that two thirds of the country have their minds already made up on the above. Their political party affiliation has determined good job, bad job, for or against, etc.

I personal don't know. That why I kept saying "I don't know what to think." I suppose in reality it will be left to the historians 20-30 years into the future to look back with all the facts and determine whether or not Trump did a good job or a bad job.
 
Captain Adverse said:
(Sigh) Can you tell us what he should be saying so that you won't be so worried?

I don't understand. Trump talks things UP, and some people say he is blind to reality.

Trump talks things DOWN and people say he is scaring people.

The man simply can't win with some people.

Now I think 100,000 dead is a reasonable estimate, and while sad, is nothing to be so shocked about.

Time and time again I have to remind people that we had 80,000 people die of the Flu in 2018, while in 2019 it was 61,200. 2018-2019 Flu Season Was the Longest in 10 Years, CDC Says | Time

So we have a new illness, and the projections for it's first appearance in the USA could be 100,000 deaths; perhaps even a little more.

I say if we look at this in such a perspective, it might help to calm people down.

Again I am not dismissing the death toll...but perhaps we need to take a breath, recognize this is not even close to earth-shattering, and stop over-dramatizing.

This too shall pass.
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Additionally, with no mitigation efforts, models indicate that the mortality count could have risen to 2.2 million Americans.

The advances made in all areas of the response have been astonishingly fast and far reaching.

One of the problems with reality is that it's just so real!
 
Chomsky said:
I think we're setting our sights too low here, with Trump. And that's what scares me.

For him to come-out like that today was either out of character, or if still in character it's then scariest thing I've ever heard. Why? Because there's a cadre of legit appearing people who believe we will end up with 1 or 1.2M to 4M deceased. And if true, I have no faith Trump would tell us the truth.
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Trump's been telling the truth as it is relayed to him every day. Every day, the situation(s) in this evolve and the data base grows.

This is not difficult to observe and understand. As the situation changes and the understanding expands, he re-frames the situation based on the most current information available.

Trump has been trying to wake up the American people, in particular his political opponents, since late January.

The newcomers to the party are now back stabbing and undermining with their new born "I knew it all along" piety.

Seems a tad disingenuous.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Your blind idiot god isn't acknowledging scientific facts. He's talking about his ratings and making this all about him. He's a literal ****ing retard.

"You can call it a germ, you can call it a flu, you can call it a virus, you know you can call it many different names. I'm not sure anybody even knows what it is."
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Do you EVER make a rational post based on actual, real world facts?
 
HIP56948 said:
That's wonderful! I'm still very,very, very excited that in only 2 weeks from now (Easter), we'll all be back at our daily routines.
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Why are so excited about something that is not going to happen?
 
Cardinal said:
100,000 dead from a pandemic he did nothing to stop and everything to make possible is a "win."

It's a death cult.
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Are you saying that nothing is happening in the US to fight this thing?
 
Chomsky said:
As to some commentary, well I'm not sure what to say. If it hasn't become real enough, it looks like it just got more real. If Trump is now claiming 100K deaths will be a good thing, knowing Trump's propensity for salesmanship and his loose relationship with the truth, I'm now getting more worried. No other way to put it. This does not sound good.
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When people die en mass, it never sounds good. War, famine, pestilence are usually are distant cries in the wilderness until they hit home. Life and death walk hand in hand, and death spares none. We believe we are immortal until we are not. Always we are faced with the choice, live in fear or live. Yes, each of us, every single one of those we love, are at risk and may die from this pestilence. The fates weave their web, with no pity. The words of politicians, kings and emperors, change nothing. We are all mortal and time is the true enemy. We can only live our best, finding joy wherever it exists and be thankful for the moment. Nothing profound in what I've said, just reality. The choice of how to live, is your own.
 
HumblePi said:
It would really make a difference if everyone was on the same page and listened to Dr. Fauci and not Trump because all he's doing is making his press conferences nothing other than a replacement for the rallies he's not having. He's taking pokes at governors and mayors and name calling. This is not the time or place for this kind of theatrics and nobody needs to hear him brag how his ratings are better than The Apprentice or some other television show. Who gives a **** when we're battling a pandemic? Heed the words and advice from Dr. Fauci, he's the only one up there not in this to give Trump praise or pander to him in any way. He's there for the truth and facts, nothing else, so believe him -- not Trump. And no, we're not going to 'ride that cowboy'.
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You're dismissing Dr. Deborah Brix?

All of the CEO's of the various major manufacturing and logistics firms that speak and have been committing to the support for the overall planning and suggesting the best practices to proceed?

All of the other doctors reciting stats, new ideas and recommendations?

My oh my! Aren't we the elitist! If only we had Humble Pi in charge of this!
 
Trump is a massive liar and horrible human who never matured.
 
Perotista said:
I don't know what to say either. So far we've had 142,000 cases give or take and close to 2,500 deaths. With a bit over 40% of all cases in New York state with just a bit under 40% of all deaths. I'm not sure what to make of that either. Half of all cases are in the states of New York/New Jersey. Is that because they are so densely populated and rely so much on public transportation? I don't know.

But perhaps there's hope that we won't reach the 100,000 deaths. We've had roughly 19,000 new cases on the 27th, again on the 28th and again on the 29th. I'm hoping the number of new cases will soon begin to fall. But then if it does and we immediately relax the rules, might that not precipitate a new rise in cases? so many unknowns.

Has Trump done a good job on the Corona Virus, apparently a slight majority of Americans think so.

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Public Approval of President Trump's Handling of the Coronavirus

Most democrats think Trump has done an awful job, most republicans think he has done an excellent job. Independents are fairly split. Like most political issues, whether one is for or against, good job or bad job, approve or disapprove is determined by one's political party affiliation. It ought not be that way, but in our current era of polarization, ultra high partisanship, I'm not one bit surprised.
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I think people who actually listen to Trump and hear what he's saying while also actually observing and understanding everything that is being done like the job he's doing.

Those that are slave to the lying propagandists in the Democrat Party controlled media swallow the poison and stew in their hate.

The simple fact of this is that it gets on our hands and we then touch our face(s). If we wash our hands and don't touch out face, we beat it.

Problem is that we each touch our face between 2000 and 3000 each day.
 
Hamish Howl said:
I never through I'd see the day a president tried to withhold disaster relief to a state because he doesn't like the governor of that state.

So spare me your hypocritical bull****, eh?
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When did he do this thing that you're lying about?
 
Chomsky said:
What's scary? The fact that Trump lies like a rug, only approaching the truth when dragged into it. So it's my fear he's lying here, too. And if he's lying about trying to keep it down to 100K, then I gravely fear the real number.

As an aside, I've already had one death of one of my kid's classmate's parents, and another in my parish. My wife's professional colleague is hospitalized, her husband is positive, sick, quarantined at home. He is panicked of what to do with his 8 year old, if he gets worse. The other nearby neighborhood (non-Catholic) church had nearly 50 that tested positive, including the pastor. And it's just heating up, though you'd never know it from my neighborhood - we're really on fire. Two of our regular everyday supermarkets closed due to employees having Covid, and ditto for my vet. All these businesses, churches, and people, are within a 6 or 8 block radius of me.

When those you know start dying, it has a way of bringing it home.
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Better we should hear from a president "you are all going to die, and there isn't diddly squat we can really do about it." Live in fear, or not.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
The way the US and Canada are doing things, we will not crush the virus, eliminating it from the countries, but slow the infection rate. China locked down a province, shut down much of its economy for 2 months and tracked everyone who might have been infected and those they contacted to attempt to eliminate the virus. South Korea, tested, and quarantined masses of people in an attempt to get ahead of the virus. It did not shut down its economy but did from the looks of it get ahead of the virus and contain it after what looked like was going to be a very bad situation.

The US could have used the testing kit that SK developed, it worked well, it could have followed the same containment and control method that SK did. That part comes down on Trump, the same failures that Italy and Spain have had in their leadership. UK seems to be following the same poor decisions. The US had 1.5 months of lead time from when we knew it was bad in China to get ahead of the issue rather than bury our heads in the sand. Our leaders did not, and that is a failure on them.
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With respect, Trump's been sounding the wake up call on this since late January.

China's numbers are not actual. If you have learned NOTHING else from the wealth of information we have from China, you must have learned that they are an autocratic, dishonest and self promoting regime.

Do you seriously believe that China has not had one, single new case of Coronavirus in the last two weeks? C'mon, man!

The little toaster sized testing kits that the US has developed are far superior to any other testing kit in use anywhere in terms of speed and efficiency. The US has tested more in the last 8 days than S. Korea tested in the last 8 weeks.

That rate is going to increase dramatically and quickly.

All of that said, though, S. Korea has far lower confirmed cases and far lower fatalities than the US. I'm not sure if demographics impact this or not. The US average age is a little lower than S. Korea's.

China and Iran Virus problems are right in the middle of the great Western Democracies so the style of government seems to not make a difference in the spread. Perhaps societal habits, and Population density? I don't know...

As with most things, the nature of the virus and the efficacy of the cure/mitigation are going to be found in the research conducted here. It's what we do.
 
Captain Adverse said:
(Sigh) Can you tell us what he should be saying so that you won't be so worried?
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If Trump had listened to pandemic experts and the US intelligence community in January, we would be in a better position to deal with COVID today.

Trump should have been serious and transparent at the beginning, rather than saying ginormously stupid things like coronavirus is a "Democrat hoax".
 
code1211 said:
With respect, Trump's been sounding the wake up call on this since late January.
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Here is Trump "sounding the wake up call".....

[video=youtube;ch7_t2Ri2Zg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?ch7_t2Ri2Zg[/video]
 
trixare4kids said:
If you are not weaponizing the virus to have a constant go at Trump, my comment does not apply to you.
Triggered?
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Calling any humans, especially a generalized group...cockroaches, is dehumanizing and evil. Like I said, I’d ban you for it...it’s worse than baiting or flaming...worse than racist remarks. Very sad during a crisis you are dehumanizing fellow Americans...and in defense of Trump no less.
 
code1211 said:
You're dismissing Dr. Deborah Brix?

All of the CEO's of the various major manufacturing and logistics firms that speak and have been committing to the support for the overall planning and suggesting the best practices to proceed?

All of the other doctors reciting stats, new ideas and recommendations?

My oh my! Aren't we the elitist! If only we had Humble Pi in charge of this!
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What's your problem? Really, I'd like to know what it is. Why the attitude towards me when all I've done is try to help others understand how this virus is communicated? People need to be isolated from others. Period. Why is that any different than what Brix is saying? And by the way, the only person I dismiss is Trump because he doesn't know what the **** he's talking about. The entire country, even those states with low infection numbers, have to collectively be on the same page, the same protocols, and the same restrictions. Period.
 
Chomsky said:
Did you catch that goof in Texas? Their Governor? 70 years old, and he's literally thumbing his nose at it telling his constituents to go out and have a good time? Amazing.

Well, in the several days since he announced his insane P.O.V., Texas has grown to 3K infected & 40 dead. In short time, he might be singing a different tune. And he better be careful himself - he's 70 years old.
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Yes. The Texas “leadership” is insane, and their behavior is frightening. Many places look like business as usual. The right wing propaganda is literally going to kill people..it’s a sad time.
 
Chomsky said:
Thanks for the suggestion.

Yeah was on Amazon tonight, but they're pretty much barren now except for items with long wait times. Well, for the items we need anyway. We're good with non-perishables like pasta, bottled sauce, canned meats & veggies, etc. But we desire to stock the freezer with more fresh meat and bread. We underestimated how much we now eat when we stay at home, and we earlier weren't concerned with replenishing every-other-week. That's changed. We now want to be stocked tight for a solid 6-8 weeks (8 is better), never needing to leave the house at all.
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My Magic 8 ball says "Cabin fever in your future."

Dog and I took an hour long walk starting about 5:30 or so this morning. Saw what counts for a sunrise over the city. Skies are clear, saw some squirrels, birds, empty streets except for tightly parked cars. A nice crisp morning air. No noticeable exhaust fumes. Did see one near empty city bus, not a single moving car. Finally, on the way home, saw a truck delivering to the local fish store. Picked up some fresh caught trout for breakfast, and a large sea bass for dinner tonight, enough to feed the tribe. Then across the street, fresh bagels from the first bake. Good thing I brought along an empty back pack. Encountered no other customers at either store. Put the bass on ice. Made coffee. Watched the grandkids struggling to wake up and fight for bathroom access. Blasted Bulgarian choir music on the sound system to irritate them, and the neighbors.
 
code1211 said:
With respect, Trump's been sounding the wake up call on this since late January.

China's numbers are not actual. If you have learned NOTHING else from the wealth of information we have from China, you must have learned that they are an autocratic, dishonest and self promoting regime.

Do you seriously believe that China has not had one, single new case of Coronavirus in the last two weeks? C'mon, man!

The little toaster sized testing kits that the US has developed are far superior to any other testing kit in use anywhere in terms of speed and efficiency. The US has tested more in the last 8 days than S. Korea tested in the last 8 weeks.

That rate is going to increase dramatically and quickly.

All of that said, though, S. Korea has far lower confirmed cases and far lower fatalities than the US. I'm not sure if demographics impact this or not. The US average age is a little lower than S. Korea's.

China and Iran Virus problems are right in the middle of the great Western Democracies so the style of government seems to not make a difference in the spread. Perhaps societal habits, and Population density? I don't know...

As with most things, the nature of the virus and the efficacy of the cure/mitigation are going to be found in the research conducted here. It's what we do.
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Trump has been sounding about the virus, but did little of any practical use. He changed his mind every day on what to do and how to respond. That results in poor planning and poor control

I did not use China as an example to follow, but did include South Korea, recall it was effected heavily fairly early. Quite a bit earlier than the US, it reacted earlier and enacted a plan to contain the virus, so has Japan. Trump could have followed that plan, use the testing kit SK had, so that perhaps early in the outbreak testing could have been done. Instead the US waited, did not test, and instead used the lack of testing and positive test results to say nothing to worry about.

Japan and SK (Especially SK) had plans to react to a epidemic and so far it has worked. The US might have had a plan (it is what the CDC tends to do) but it was not enacted or followed. Neither did Europe, so now the virus has expanded and hit the US and Europe quite hard, when countries that took it seriously have been able to avoid the worst. That is a failure of leadership, that falls on the leaders in Europe and the US. They did a very poor job in comparison to the leaders of Japan and SK
 
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