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Startling numbers from Germany -- in a good way

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Germany should be the model for every other as to how they've handled this epidemic. Their death rate is extremely low compared to surrounding countries like Spain and Italy. The death rate in Germany is 0.72% but in Italy, where over 10,000 people have died, is 10.8 percent. In Spain, it’s 8 percent.

Here's why. In Germany, they're testing more than 120,000 people a week. Their healthcare and particularly their intensive care facilities, are some of the best in the world. Germany locked down tight, and this is possibly the biggest factor in their low mortality rate.

[snip] Germany has also been better at protecting its older residents, who are at much greater risk. States banned visits to the elderly, and policymakers issued urgent warnings to limit contact with older people. Many seem to have quarantined themselves.[/snip]

Opinion | Germany Has Relatively Few Deaths From Coronavirus. Why? - The New York Times

What should the US learn from Germany? The biggest factor is locking down cities, people absolutely must avoid coming in contact with others and there shouldn't be a person out on the street or in a supermarket or Walmart without some type of mask protecting their mouth and nose.

Our federal government should be mailing out a N95 mask to every person in the US.
 
Germany should be the model for every other as to how they've handled this epidemic. Their death rate is extremely low compared to surrounding countries like Spain and Italy. The death rate in Germany is 0.72% but in Italy, where over 10,000 people have died, is 10.8 percent. In Spain, it’s 8 percent.

Here's why. In Germany, they're testing more than 120,000 people a week. Their healthcare and particularly their intensive care facilities, are some of the best in the world. Germany locked down tight, and this is possibly the biggest factor in their low mortality rate.

[snip] Germany has also been better at protecting its older residents, who are at much greater risk. States banned visits to the elderly, and policymakers issued urgent warnings to limit contact with older people. Many seem to have quarantined themselves.[/snip]

Opinion | Germany Has Relatively Few Deaths From Coronavirus. Why? - The New York Times

What should the US learn from Germany? The biggest factor is locking down cities, people absolutely must avoid coming in contact with others and there shouldn't be a person out on the street or in a supermarket or Walmart without some type of mask protecting their mouth and nose.

Our federal government should be mailing out a N95 mask to every person in the US.

Yes, severe lockdown and enforced (if necessary) social distancing, is the ONLY way to slow the rate of infection.

How the UK’s coronavirus epidemic compares to other countries - BBC News
 
Germany should be the model for every other as to how they've handled this epidemic. Their death rate is extremely low compared to surrounding countries like Spain and Italy. The death rate in Germany is 0.72% but in Italy, where over 10,000 people have died, is 10.8 percent. In Spain, it’s 8 percent.

Here's why. In Germany, they're testing more than 120,000 people a week. Their healthcare and particularly their intensive care facilities, are some of the best in the world. Germany locked down tight, and this is possibly the biggest factor in their low mortality rate.

[snip] Germany has also been better at protecting its older residents, who are at much greater risk. States banned visits to the elderly, and policymakers issued urgent warnings to limit contact with older people. Many seem to have quarantined themselves.[/snip]

Opinion | Germany Has Relatively Few Deaths From Coronavirus. Why? - The New York Times

What should the US learn from Germany? The biggest factor is locking down cities, people absolutely must avoid coming in contact with others and there shouldn't be a person out on the street or in a supermarket or Walmart without some type of mask protecting their mouth and nose.

Our federal government should be mailing out a N95 mask to every person in the US.

83 million vs 330 million

impossible to "lock down" the US

impossible to enforce social distancing in the US

and then there's this...

The Turkish government has cast aside a sample of Chinese-made coronavirus rapid testing kits after finding out that they gave inaccurate results, a Turkish official confirmed to Middle East Eye on Friday.

“We have received some samples from the company,” the official said. “We didn’t find them viable and ordered some other testing kit models from a separate Chinese company.”

The official did not say how many kits were concerned, while noting that they hadn’t yet been used with the wider public.

The news comes as Spain revealed on Thursday that it had withdrawn 9,000 Chinese-made kits after realising that they had only 30 percent accuracy. A Czech media outlet also reported that up to 80 percent of the 150,000 portable quick tests that China delivered to the republic earlier this month were faulty.

Spanish officials told the media that the testing kits were also manufactured by the same company that had supplied the Turkish government.

Coronavirus: Turkey rejects Chinese testing kits over inaccurate results | Middle East Eye

where did Germany get their test kits?

Bottom line...what works in one country won't always work for another country.
 
83 million vs 330 million

impossible to "lock down" the US

impossible to enforce social distancing in the US

and then there's this...



where did Germany get their test kits?

Bottom line...what works in one country won't always work for another country.

So try. Social distancing is the ONLY way of preventing infection.
 
83 million vs 330 million

impossible to "lock down" the US

impossible to enforce social distancing in the US

and then there's this...



where did Germany get their test kits?

Bottom line...what works in one country won't always work for another country.

True, but what works to contain the virus works everywhere. That we face a more difficult task than Germany does not mean we can't learn from them.
 
Germany should be the model for every other as to how they've handled this epidemic. Their death rate is extremely low compared to surrounding countries like Spain and Italy. The death rate in Germany is 0.72% but in Italy, where over 10,000 people have died, is 10.8 percent. In Spain, it’s 8 percent.

Here's why. In Germany, they're testing more than 120,000 people a week. Their healthcare and particularly their intensive care facilities, are some of the best in the world. Germany locked down tight, and this is possibly the biggest factor in their low mortality rate.

[snip] Germany has also been better at protecting its older residents, who are at much greater risk. States banned visits to the elderly, and policymakers issued urgent warnings to limit contact with older people. Many seem to have quarantined themselves.[/snip]

Opinion | Germany Has Relatively Few Deaths From Coronavirus. Why? - The New York Times

What should the US learn from Germany? The biggest factor is locking down cities, people absolutely must avoid coming in contact with others and there shouldn't be a person out on the street or in a supermarket or Walmart without some type of mask protecting their mouth and nose.

Our federal government should be mailing out a N95 mask to every person in the US.

The experts are saying they cannot tell yet why some areas seem to have a higher percentage of deaths while others don't.
 
True, but what works to contain the virus works everywhere. That we face a more difficult task than Germany does not mean we can't learn from them.

Learn what? That social distancing works? We already know that. That locking down highly populated areas works? We already know that, too.

These things...that we already know about...are impossible to enforce in the US.

Heck, just look at the reaction when Trump floated the idea of locking down just a couple areas. Germany may be able to do that...the US cannot.
 
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83 million vs 330 million

impossible to "lock down" the US

impossible to enforce social distancing in the US

and then there's this...



where did Germany get their test kits?

Bottom line...what works in one country won't always work for another country.

This is a really stupid and typical conservative response. If you ever show that another country does something better, it can't be done here in the U.S. because the population is bigger. God that's so dumb. Our land mass is also more than 27 times as big. Your numbers mean nothing.
 
I live in Germany and I'm very happy with the way its been handled so far. Every man, woman and child has access to high quality Healthcare and there's a rational adult in charge here. Ive been mostly working from home and the effects have been much less severe here than many other countries.

83 million vs 330 million
impossible to "lock down" the US
impossible to enforce social distancing in the US
and then there's this...
where did Germany get their test kits?
Bottom line...what works in one country won't always work for another country.

You always say the stupidest things and your agenda is always transparent. The death RATE has nothing to do with net population. Your knee jerk reaction is to defend Trump's incompetence even in threads that have nothing to do with him because you know how terrible he looks right now.

These techniques won't work in America because you nutters won't even admit there's a crisis.
 
This is a really stupid and typical conservative response. If you ever show that another country does something better, it can't be done here in the U.S. because the population is bigger. God that's so dumb. Our land mass is also more than 27 times as big. Your numbers mean nothing.

Beyond that, the response here has been state by state. It can be argued that we have more control than Germany, as our most populous state is half its size.
 
Beyond that, the response here has been state by state. It can be argued that we have more control than Germany, as our most populous state is half its size.

It's the same argument trotted out by cons when any European country has a successful social program. "Can't be done here because we have a bigger population". The stupidity in such an argument is astounding. If the population is so much bigger guess what? So is the tax base to pull it off. It's really tiresome watching people basically copy and paste their way through life with such idiocy.
 
83 million vs 330 million

impossible to "lock down" the US

impossible to enforce social distancing in the US

and then there's this...



where did Germany get their test kits?

Bottom line...what works in one country won't always work for another country.

What you said about it being impossible to lock down the US -- that's simply not true. The city of New York with a population of 8.6 million has effectively accomplished this. It would be quite easy for smaller cities across the US to accomplish this as well.
 
The experts are saying they cannot tell yet why some areas seem to have a higher percentage of deaths while others don't.

No matter what the experts say, everyone needs to take the cues of countries that are having successes from the effectiveness of the methods they're using to control and mitigate the spread of the virus. Germany is a model of that. But Germany is a highly efficient country overall. Angela Merkel self-quarantined because her doctor became infected with coronavirus. That's how focused Germany is.
 
Germany should be the model for every other as to how they've handled this epidemic. Their death rate is extremely low compared to surrounding countries like Spain and Italy. The death rate in Germany is 0.72% but in Italy, where over 10,000 people have died, is 10.8 percent. In Spain, it’s 8 percent.

Here's why. In Germany, they're testing more than 120,000 people a week. Their healthcare and particularly their intensive care facilities, are some of the best in the world. Germany locked down tight, and this is possibly the biggest factor in their low mortality rate.

[snip] Germany has also been better at protecting its older residents, who are at much greater risk. States banned visits to the elderly, and policymakers issued urgent warnings to limit contact with older people. Many seem to have quarantined themselves.[/snip]

Opinion | Germany Has Relatively Few Deaths From Coronavirus. Why? - The New York Times

What should the US learn from Germany? The biggest factor is locking down cities, people absolutely must avoid coming in contact with others and there shouldn't be a person out on the street or in a supermarket or Walmart without some type of mask protecting their mouth and nose.

Our federal government should be mailing out a N95 mask to every person in the US.

Yes, or maybe the air quality in the places where the virus is effective at killing people is always bad. Nroth Italian cities are hot spots of pollution.
 
This is a really stupid and typical conservative response. If you ever show that another country does something better, it can't be done here in the U.S. because the population is bigger. God that's so dumb. Our land mass is also more than 27 times as big. Your numbers mean nothing.

We're always #1 at bombing people. We can always do that. Just not anything else, it seems.
 
No matter what the experts say, everyone needs to take the cues of countries that are having successes from the effectiveness of the methods they're using to control and mitigate the spread of the virus. Germany is a model of that. But Germany is a highly efficient country overall. Angela Merkel self-quarantined because her doctor became infected with coronavirus. That's how focused Germany is.

Germany might have some good ideas we could follow. Let's see what the combined body of politicians and public officials come up with in their joint efforts.
 
We're always #1 at bombing people. We can always do that. Just not anything else, it seems.

Peacenik draft dodgers objected to US bombing in Vietnam. That is why leading leftist heroes like Bill Ayers bombed federal buildings in the US and received praise and promotion from democrats for his activism.
 
Germany might have some good ideas we could follow. Let's see what the combined body of politicians and public officials come up with in their joint efforts.

This country needs a clear, uniformed policy mandated for every state. One set of rules for everyone. For weeks, each state with high infections such as Washington, California and New York have been dealing with this on the recommendations of their own state virologists and specialists. Doing it this way, as each state begins to see more and more infections on the rise, is nothing more than playing whack-a-mole with this virus. Of course essential services have to remain open so there's still people going to work. NY has shut down several of their subway lines so it's extremely difficult for someone coming from Bronx or Queens to get into Manhattan.

It's still not enough, stupid people will always be stupid. Many NY'ers are still not wearing masks.
 
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So try. Social distancing is the ONLY way of preventing infection.

Social distancing needs to be enforced. Chicago Major is the perfect example of a leader who know exactly what needs to be done.

She was short and succinct. We are in complete lock down. there will be no one on the streets, all recreational activities are suspended. The police will enforce these rules.

"We do not want to be the next New York City"

Enough said.
 
Representative of the Chinese state Committee on health:
"As of March 28, the number of confirmed cases of infection is less than 3 thousand, the spread of the epidemic on the territory of China is generally stopped."
 

Everyone in NY is self-quarantining. The airports of course are still operational and people are flying out. People are not banned from being on the road in their cars, so many are driving out. That's all. Otherwise, the population of NY is in literal lockdown. Nobody is being arrested for walking out on the street or in the park, but they are 'strongly advised' to remain in their homes.
 
Peacenik draft dodgers objected to US bombing in Vietnam. That is why leading leftist heroes like Bill Ayers bombed federal buildings in the US and received praise and promotion from democrats for his activism.

Well that is so relevant to absolutely nothing. Par for the course.
 
Representative of the Chinese state Committee on health:
"As of March 28, the number of confirmed cases of infection is less than 3 thousand, the spread of the epidemic on the territory of China is generally stopped."

I don't believe China's words.
 
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