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France reverses ban on hydroxychloroquine: it's working

 
Mycroft said:
I have a feeling that some stupid governors will have to walk back their decisions soon. Then they'll be tap dancing and trying to find a way to blame Trump.
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Trump shouldn't be telling people what remedies do or don't work....he should leave that to the doctors and stop playing one himself.
 
Erod said:
https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1243779158737440768?s=19

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It works. Use it.

Trump was right.
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Hold the horse there hos. We dont have the data one way or the other yet and we are looking at a bit of time to get it still. I certainly hope the stuff works, but we really need to have data.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Hold the horse there hos. We dont have the data one way or the other yet and we are looking at a bit of time to get it still. I certainly hope the stuff works, but we really need to have data.
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Well now, they have a study with 80 patients and no control group....

Coronavirus cure: French researchers completed new additional study on 80 patients, results show a combination of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin to be effective in treating COVID-19 | Tech News | Startups News
 
Erod said:
https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1243779158737440768?s=19

Decret ndeg 2020-314 du 25 mars 2020 completant le decret ndeg 2020-293 du 23 mars 2020 prescrivant les mesures generales necessaires pour faire face a l'epidemie de covid-19 dans le cadre de l'etat d'urgence sanitaire | Legifrance

It works. Use it.

Trump was right.
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Besides this guy's Tweet, from a guy that apparently is a political social media consultant, I saw nothing in your links providing evidence that this drug actually works (as you claim).

Your links simply claim France is now allowing the drug to be dispensed.

Is there some evidence I missed in your sources that show the drug's efficacy?
 
Moot said:
Trump shouldn't be telling people what remedies do or don't work....he should leave that to the doctors and stop playing one himself.
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Exactly. Trump is acting extremely dangerously, as we saw with the AZ couple dosing themselves with fish-tank cleaner.
 
BlueTex said:
Well now, they have a study with 80 patients and no control group....

Coronavirus cure: French researchers completed new additional study on 80 patients, results show a combination of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin to be effective in treating COVID-19 | Tech News | Startups News
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It shows promise, its not a controlled study and we need one before we say we have a legitimate treatment. That said docs should use it if they think they are getting results in the mean time.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Hold the horse there hos. We dont have the data one way or the other yet and we are looking at a bit of time to get it still. I certainly hope the stuff works, but we really need to have data.
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Bingo.

We need data of the drug's efficacy. But even more importantly, we need to know its safety in coronovirus-compromised individuals. Medicine, safe medicine, is not so easy as some here seem to imply.
 
Moot said:
Trump shouldn't be telling people what remedies do or don't work....he should leave that to the doctors and stop playing one himself.
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Why are you blaming Trump? He has nothing to do with what I said.


Oh...wait. That's right. EVERYTHING is Trump's fault...even when it's not.

Moving on...
 
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Have a test were 1000 people get pills, neither they or the doctors know which pills are placebos.


80 test subjects is too low and the study is not double blind so it's probably biased.
 
BlueTex said:
Well now, they have a study with 80 patients and no control group....

Coronavirus cure: French researchers completed new additional study on 80 patients, results show a combination of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin to be effective in treating COVID-19 | Tech News | Startups News
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Actually, this does appear to be promising.

I would still have concerns about possible side-effects or damage from using this combination prophylacticly, or in those that are only mildly sick. But if you're in deep **** and it's only getting deeper, then I suppose why not try it?
 
Michael Cole said:
It is promising. We're learning fairly quickly IMO.
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Some of these early non-controlled studies do look promising and more study should follow. I would be ecstatic if this worked but these types of announcements just promote a rush to rapidly deplete the supply of these drugs harming patients who need them today to treat illnesses that they have been shown to help.
 
Erod said:
https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1243779158737440768?s=19

Decret ndeg 2020-314 du 25 mars 2020 completant le decret ndeg 2020-293 du 23 mars 2020 prescrivant les mesures generales necessaires pour faire face a l'epidemie de covid-19 dans le cadre de l'etat d'urgence sanitaire | Legifrance

It works. Use it.

Trump was right.
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It might work. Effective drugs are first tested before some consistent results can lead to hopes the drug will be effective. Let's give researchers a shot at finding out whether this drug will be good or not.
 
Moot said:
Trump shouldn't be telling people what remedies do or don't work....he should leave that to the doctors and stop playing one himself.
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He didn't tell people to use it - he said that researchers were looking into it and it shows promise.
 
Chomsky said:
Actually, this does appear to be promising.

I would still have concerns about possible side-effects or damage from using this combination prophylacticly or in those that are only mildly sick. But if you're in deep **** and it's only getting deeper, then I suppose why not try it?
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If I were in dire straits I would have no problem trying this course at all... In fact, I spoke with my spouse about this last week as we have access to both of these drugs. That said, rushing out and starting to take these drugs, which can have very severe side effects does nobody any good.
 
Mycroft said:
Why are you blaming Trump? He has nothing to do with what I said.


Oh...wait. That's right. EVERYTHING is Trump's fault...even when it's not.

Moving on...
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I guess you didn't read the OP...so what else is new?

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Chomsky said:
Actually, this does appear to be promising.

I would still have concerns about possible side-effects or damage from using this combination prophylacticly, or in those that are only mildly sick. But if you're in deep **** and it's only getting deeper, then I suppose why not try it?
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As the researcher said, the reason for no control group is the saving of lives. We'll know more soon.
 
BlueTex said:
Some of these early non-controlled studies do look promising and more study should follow. I would be ecstatic if this worked but these types of announcements just promote a rush to rapidly deplete the supply of these drugs harming patients who need them today to treat illnesses that they have been shown to help.
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I believe these substances are abundant and cheap. I could very well be wrong, but that's my take.
 
swing_voter said:
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Have a test were 1000 people get pills, neither they or the doctors know which pills are placebos.


80 test subjects is too low and the study is not double blind so it's probably biased.
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There's also another bugaboo here. Being a novel virus that's only been out a very short time, we also need to understand the disease pathology statistically. Only when we have a reasonable statistical, will we be able to accurately evaluate how the drug combination may affect the pathology. And as you stated, that needs a large proper double-blind study.

But the drug regimen here does seem promising. Given the dire circumstances of the disease victims, I can see their desire to try the drugs. My concern is not the efficacy, but the possible danger of using this drug regimen in coronavirus-compromised individuals. We don't want to further harm them. But you know, when death is knocking at your door you may want to take larger risks than otherwise.
 
Moot said:
Trump shouldn't be telling people what remedies do or don't work....he should leave that to the doctors and stop playing one himself.
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He never told people "what works and what does not work." He said it "had tremendous promise." That he thinks "it is going to be great." That we are continuing to study it and will continue to study it as it is being used in places like NY State.



It is called both Hydroxichloroquine and Chloroquine.

See, people jump to conclusions, the media denigrates, one poor foolish person goes the "cheap route" and tries some kind of fish-tank cleaner. Trump is bad again.

Absolute misrepresentation of what Trump said or did, and no one wants to admit it.

This is the problem with the "opposition" discourse. Look at everything in the worst light possible. Make a major issue of it. Then double-down when they are proven wrong by deflecting to the old standby..."It doesn't matter, Orange Man Bad!"
 
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The drug has to be given on a compassion basis.

The patient has to acknowledge and accept that there could be a risk, and that the drug is not FDA approved for this particular virus .

The patient rolls the dice.
 
BlueTex said:
If I were in dire straits I would have no problem trying this course at all... In fact, I spoke with my spouse about this last week as we have access to both of these drugs. That said, rushing out and starting to take these drugs, which can have very severe side effects does nobody any good.
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You've summed it up perfectly. :thumbs:
 
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