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France reverses ban on hydroxychloroquine: it's working

BlueTex said:
Earth shattering... Did you actually read what you posted? Explain what this means...

Considering minimal risk upon use, a long experience of use in other diseases, cost-effectiveness and easy availability across India, we propose that both these drugs are worthy of fast track clinical trial for treatment, and may be carefully considered for clinical use as experimental drugs. Since HCQ has been approved for treatment of diabetes in India, it should be further researched in diabetes and COVID-19, a subgroup where significant mortality has been shown.
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Yes, and . . . ? A diversity of views is to be expected. The important thing is the direction forward.
 
Jack Hays said:
Yes, and . . . ? A diversity of views is to be expected. The important thing is the direction forward.
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Why would there be “diversity of views”’if the treatment approach is 100% effective?


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9 hours ago - Small studies suggest that hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine may be helpful in ... This post will be updated as more data becomes available.
 
jmotivator said:
Jesus wept, I thought you were smarter than that, Chomsky. :roll:
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You speak for Jesus, now?

Moderate Right said:
That's total BS. Trump never even halfway suggested people start ingesting fish cleaning chemicals. That level of total stupidness is on them. For God's sake, these people didn't even have symptoms. There is nothing dangerous at all about the correct medications. They have years of study showing they are safe.
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Agreed. But by promoting drugs to the public, he's making impressions upon some that may be desperate & unknowledgeable. As we see with the couple, here. They specifically said they took it after Trump promoted it. Rather than Trump, they need to hear this from a proper medical provider for their own safety.

vesper said:
OMG really Chomsky?

Hydroxychloroquine has been around for decades. It is used to treat malaria, rheumatoid arthritis, and lupus. RA and Lupus are autoimmune diseases that cause inflammation. Zpaks are prescribed often for infections in the lungs with great success. It is the inflammation in the lungs that produces the excessive fluid and you experience that akin to drowning slowly. Anyone who has had pneumonia knows the feeling.

It is the anti-inflammation properties of this drug that gets the inflammation under control. Doctors are already prescribing this cocktail and are seeing good results. I have seen several doctors interviewed say they are already prescribing it and people who had the virus that took the drugs/recovered are also speaking out.

If I were to get this virus, I would not hesitate to use the drug. Sure beats watching the body bags stack up.
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This isn't about the drug. This is about being responsible to the general public. That couple needed to hear about this drug from a proper medical professional, not from Trump. You & I might have known better, but there's a lot of ends to the public spectrum, and Trump needs to be conscious of that and other unintended consequences of his words.

Another facet to this is the people that need the drug for the condition it was prescribed for couldn't obtain the drug due to a panic buying, after Trump's words. A quick Google can give you the details.
 
Casca XV said:
Well like with the fish tank people it looks like you missed the part where The President said "under the Doctor supervision".
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Yes, impressionable people were led astray. Which is why Trump has to measure his words when dealing with the general public. For public safety, this med should be promoted by medical professionals, not Trump.

In addition, there was panic buying that caused those that use the med to not be able to get their regular script's filled. There's more irresponsibility here than simply those like the AZ couple (though that is a big deal)
 
Chomsky said:
You speak for Jesus, now?

Agreed. But by promoting drugs to the public, he's making impressions upon some that may be desperate & unknowledgeable. As we see with the couple, here. They specifically said they took it after Trump promoted it. Rather than Trump, they need to hear this from a proper medical provider for their own safety.

This isn't about the drug. This is about being responsible to the general public. That couple needed to hear about this drug from a proper medical professional, not from Trump. You & I might have known better, but there's a lot of ends to the public spectrum, and Trump needs to be conscious of that and other unintended consequences of his words.

Another facet to this is the people that need the drug for the condition it was prescribed for couldn't obtain the drug due to a panic buying, after Trump's words. A quick Google can give you the details.
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Trump promoted these drugs to give Americans hope while people like the Michigan governor threatened doctors who prescribed them. Even Fauci was left with egg on his face.
 
so is it working or not?
 
Moderate Right said:
Trump promoted these drugs to give Americans hope while people like the Michigan governor threatened doctors who prescribed them. Even Fauci was left with egg on his face.
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Even before Trump talked about them to give people hope, the media was reporting that it was a possible cure. That is until they decided they would rather attack Trump with it then actually report the news.
 
Chomsky said:
You speak for Jesus, now?
Agreed. But by promoting drugs to the public, he's making impressions upon some that may be desperate & unknowledgeable. As we see with the couple, here. They specifically said they took it after Trump promoted it. Rather than Trump, they need to hear this from a proper medical provider for their own safety.
This isn't about the drug. This is about being responsible to the general public. That couple needed to hear about this drug from a proper medical professional, not from Trump. You & I might have known better, but there's a lot of ends to the public spectrum, and Trump needs to be conscious of that and other unintended consequences of his words.
Another facet to this is the people that need the drug for the condition it was prescribed for couldn't obtain the drug due to a panic buying, after Trump's words. A quick Google can give you the details.
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You can't blame the president when the media irresponsibly takes a legitimate drug and implies it's the same as fish tank cleaner. Trump never promoted fish tank cleaner.

"... Several media organizations that confused the chloroquine medication with chloroquine phosphate later issued corrections. The New York Times, though, all but accused Trump of recommending the same substance in the fish-tank cleaner. ..."


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After mocking Trump for promoting hydroxychloroquine, journalists acknowledge it might treat coronavirus | Fox News
 
MSgt said:
Oh, "Trump" was right. Not doctors and scientists. Good grief, you really do have a serious fetish for the man.
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"Everyone of the doctors said, 'how do you know so much about this? Maybe I have natural ability". It's almost surreal how self-obsessed and delusional that individual is.
 
Barnacle said:
I guess it must be ... the FDA approved hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine for use with Coronavirus patients.
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Yes, and in the 50s and 60s thalidomide was approved for treating morning sickness in pregnant women. That didn't work out too well because, as with chloroquine, no adequate testing was done...
 
snakestretcher said:
Yes, and in the 50s and 60s thalidomide was approved for treating morning sickness in pregnant women. That didn't work out too well because, as with chloroquine, no adequate testing was done...
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The malaria drugs have already been tested, side-effects and all.
 
Barnacle said:
I guess it must be ... the FDA approved hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine for use with Coronavirus patients.
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The FDA did not any claim about it's effectiveness...


Chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate are not FDA-approved for treatment of
COVID-19. Some versions of chloroquine phosphate are approved by FDA for other
indications—for prophylaxis and acute attacks of certain strains of malaria and for the treatment
of extraintestinal amebiasis, but the chloroquine phosphate drug product covered by this letter
has not been approved. Several versions of hydroxychloroquine sulfate are approved by FDA
for prophylaxis of and treatment of malaria, treatment of lupus erythematosus, and treatment of
rheumatoid arthritis. The safety profile of these drugs has only been studied for FDA approved
indications, not COVID-19.

Based upon limited in-vitro and anecdotal clinical data in case series, chloroquine phosphate and
hydroxychloroquine sulfate are currently recommended for treatment of hospitalized COVID-19
patients in several countries, and a number of national guidelines report incorporating
recommendations regarding use of chloroquine phosphate or hydroxychloroquine sulfate in the
setting of COVID-19. FDA encourages the conduct and participation in randomized controlled
clinical trials that may produce evidence concerning the effectiveness of these products in
treating COVID-19. FDA is issuing this EUA to facilitate the availability of chloroquine
phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate during the COVID-19 pandemic to treat patients for
whom a clinical trial is not available, or participation is not feasible

https://www.fda.gov/media/136534/download
 
BlueTex said:
The FDA did not any claim about it's effectiveness...

Chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate are not FDA-approved for treatment of
COVID-19. Some versions of chloroquine phosphate are approved by FDA for other
indications—for prophylaxis and acute attacks of certain strains of malaria and for the treatment
of extraintestinal amebiasis, but the chloroquine phosphate drug product covered by this letter
has not been approved. Several versions of hydroxychloroquine sulfate are approved by FDA
for prophylaxis of and treatment of malaria, treatment of lupus erythematosus, and treatment of
rheumatoid arthritis. The safety profile of these drugs has only been studied for FDA approved
indications, not COVID-19.
Based upon limited in-vitro and anecdotal clinical data in case series, chloroquine phosphate and
hydroxychloroquine sulfate are currently recommended for treatment of hospitalized COVID-19
patients in several countries, and a number of national guidelines report incorporating
recommendations regarding use of chloroquine phosphate or hydroxychloroquine sulfate in the
setting of COVID-19. FDA encourages the conduct and participation in randomized controlled
clinical trials that may produce evidence concerning the effectiveness of these products in
treating COVID-19. FDA is issuing this EUA to facilitate the availability of chloroquine
phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate during the COVID-19 pandemic to treat patients for
whom a clinical trial is not available, or participation is not feasible
https://www.fda.gov/media/136534/download
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It's approved for treatment of Coronavirus patients. So, what's your problem?!?

"... The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to BARDA to allow hydroxychloroquine sulfate and chloroquine phosphate products donated to the Strategic National Stockpile (SNS) to be distributed and prescribed by doctors to hospitalized teen and adult patients with COVID-19, as appropriate, when a clinical trial is not available or feasible. ..."
 
Barnacle said:
It's approved for treatment of Coronavirus patients. So, what's your problem?!?

"... The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to BARDA to allow hydroxychloroquine sulfate and chloroquine phosphate products donated to the Strategic National Stockpile (SNS) to be distributed and prescribed by doctors to hospitalized teen and adult patients with COVID-19, as appropriate, when a clinical trial is not available or feasible. ..."
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That is NOT saying what you think it's saying...
 
Jack Hays said:
Yes, and . . . ? A diversity of views is to be expected. The important thing is the direction forward.
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Ahhh, so you think that beer should be used as a curative/preventative because "It whoodn' hoit.".
 
Barnacle said:
It's approved for treatment of Coronavirus patients. So, what's your problem?!?

"... The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to BARDA to allow hydroxychloroquine sulfate and chloroquine phosphate products donated to the Strategic National Stockpile (SNS) to be distributed and prescribed by doctors to hospitalized teen and adult patients with COVID-19, as appropriate, when a clinical trial is not available or feasible. ..."
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You could approve BEER on the same basis that the FDA approved those two drugs.

Yes, even Bud Lite[sup]®[/sup].
 
CaughtInThe said:
so is it working or not?
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I believe its been proven to work as a treatment but the concern is if its safe or presents new health risks.
They are still working on finding the correct dosage as well. Doctors still are unclear on how to write the script but yes they seem to think it works

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trouble13 said:
I believe its been proven to work as a treatment but the concern is if its safe or presents new health risks.
They are still working on finding the correct dosage as well. Doctors still are unclear on how to write the script but yes they seem to think it works

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Where has it been proven to work better than other treatments or doing nothing?


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