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France reverses ban on hydroxychloroquine: it's working

Jack Hays said:
Yes. Low hurdles. What you are going to see now is very widespread use.
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Indeed, and that "very widespread use" is something that the medical malpractice branch of the ABA is starting to gear up for.
 
joko104 said:
The F.D.A. has approved the drug to treat covid-19 patients. You Democratic progressives ranting about it should definitely inform the F.D.A. of your superior credentials and explain why they are all idiots and should put you in charge.
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If you want to take the time and actually check out what is actually involved, then it makes just as much sense to say that H[sub]2[/sub]O is "effective against COVIOD-19" because the FDA allows it to be given to people who have COVID-19.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Indeed, and that "very widespread use" is something that the medical malpractice branch of the ABA is starting to gear up for.
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There is now under way in New York a trial dispensing thousands of doses. There are other trials elsewhere. FDA authorization permits emergency use (as defined by the physician) everywhere. So yes, it's in very widespread use.
 
The Michigan Governor has reverse her ban also an new randomized study out of China shows Hydroxychloroquine to be effective in treating COVID 19. . I guess she should not have been trying to supplant doctor's judgement in the first place.
 
Moderate Right said:
It's been three years now and during that time Trump has said a lot of things that he was attacked for and later found to be that Trump was right.
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You might well be right - especially since Mr. Trump has taken almost every conceivable position on every issue at least once.
 
Jack Hays said:
There is now under way in New York a trial dispensing thousands of doses. There are other trials elsewhere. FDA authorization permits emergency use (as defined by the physician) everywhere. So yes, it's in very widespread use.
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Yes and its in wide spead use in several countries also.
 
BlueTex said:
No Evidence of Rapid Antiviral Clearance or Clinical Benefit with the Combination of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin in Patients with Severe COVID-19 Infection - ScienceDirect
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Dueling Frenchmen. And this:

[h=3]Comparing HydroxyChloroquine Trials | In the Pipeline[/h]blogs.sciencemag.org › pipeline › archives › 2020/03/31 › comparing...
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2 days ago - Today's example: we have a clinical trial of hydroxychloroquine from Wuhan that has just ... to show any benefit for chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine therapy against the coronavirus – it ... Update, for medicinal chemists et al.
 
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Hamish Howl said:
You are pretty much all mouth, aren't you?
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As I understand it, the definition that "Obamacarefail" uses for "socialist system" is "any system of government in place in any country other than the United States of America".
 
Casca XV said:
The President was repeating the recommendations of a Group of French Virologists, who are recognized as best Doctors in this area of medicine on planet earth.
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HOG WASH!

The BEST doctors in ANY area of medicine on the planet Earth are ALL **A*M*E*R*I*C*A*N**

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ObamacareFail said:
Those two idiot democrats got the idea from a republican president they likely hated with a passion?
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Eventually you reach a point where desperate stupidity takes priority over party affiliation. Of course, in the US, "party affiliation" doesn't necessarily mean that the person actually knows anything about the political party that they are affiliated with.
 
Jack Hays said:
Dueling Frenchmen. And this:

[h=3]Comparing HydroxyChloroquine Trials | In the Pipeline[/h]blogs.sciencemag.org › pipeline › archives › 2020/03/31 › comparing...
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2 days ago - Today's example: we have a clinical trial of hydroxychloroquine from Wuhan that has just ... to show any benefit for chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine therapy against the coronavirus – it ... Update, for medicinal chemists et al.
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In France, following the results of a clinical study in Marseille, there is considerable interest
for the use of hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 disease, and the French Ministry of
Health recently allowed the use of hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 disease pending the
results of ongoing clinical trials (3).

In their study, Gautret et al. reported a 100% viral clearance in nasopharyngeal swabs in 6
patients after 5 and 6 days of the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin (3)

This rate of viral clearance was lower with hydroxychloroquine alone (57.1%) and was only
12.5% in patients who did not receive hydroxychloroquine (p< 0.001).

Such a rapid and full viral clearance was quite unexpected and we wished to assess in a
prospective study virologic and clinical outcomes of 11 consecutive patients hospitalized in
our department who received hydroxychloroquine (600 mg/d for 10 days) and azithromycin
(500 mg Day 1 and 250 mg days 2 to 5) using the same dosing regimen reported by Gautret et
al. (3).
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In summary, despite a reported antiviral activity of chloroquine against COVID-19 in vitro, we
found no evidence of a strong antiviral activity or clinical benefit of the combination of
hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin for the treatment of our hospitalized patients with
severe COVID-19. Ongoing randomized clinical trials with hydroxychloroquine should provide
a definitive answer regarding the alleged efficacy of this combination and will assess its safety.
 
BlueTex said:
In France, following the results of a clinical study in Marseille, there is considerable interest
for the use of hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 disease, and the French Ministry of
Health recently allowed the use of hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 disease pending the
results of ongoing clinical trials (3).

In their study, Gautret et al. reported a 100% viral clearance in nasopharyngeal swabs in 6
patients after 5 and 6 days of the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin (3)

This rate of viral clearance was lower with hydroxychloroquine alone (57.1%) and was only
12.5% in patients who did not receive hydroxychloroquine (p< 0.001).

Such a rapid and full viral clearance was quite unexpected and we wished to assess in a
prospective study virologic and clinical outcomes of 11 consecutive patients hospitalized in
our department who received hydroxychloroquine (600 mg/d for 10 days) and azithromycin
(500 mg Day 1 and 250 mg days 2 to 5) using the same dosing regimen reported by Gautret et
al. (3).
.
.
.
.
In summary, despite a reported antiviral activity of chloroquine against COVID-19 in vitro, we
found no evidence of a strong antiviral activity or clinical benefit of the combination of
hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin for the treatment of our hospitalized patients with
severe COVID-19. Ongoing randomized clinical trials with hydroxychloroquine should provide
a definitive answer regarding the alleged efficacy of this combination and will assess its safety.
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Yes, and . . . ?
 
Casca XV said:
It's called "Off Label Prescribing" it's very common especially in crisis situations where there is not time for years of testing for the specific aliment, and with an old drug well tested and refined that there is almost no risk.

Before the President ever mentioned the Drug there were dozens of other Doctors prescribing it for Corona and not a single report of anything but increased recovery and survivability.
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Indeed, and "Off Label Prescribing" was what happened with Thalidomide[SUP]®[/SUP] which was (and remains) very effective as the geriatric tranquilizer it was intended to be. Thalidomide[SUP]®[/SUP] is, however, contraindicated for any PREGNANT geriatric patient.
 
Jack Hays said:
Sorry, but you don't know what was being discussed.
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The thread is about the French government reversing a ban - that happened.

My comment was in response to your statement that the drug had been proven effective.

Which of those do you think never happened?
 
BlueTex said:
No Evidence of Rapid Antiviral Clearance or Clinical Benefit with the Combination of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin in Patients with Severe COVID-19 Infection - ScienceDirect
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Fake news.

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TU Curmudgeon said:
Indeed, and "Off Label Prescribing" was what happened with Thalidomide[SUP]®[/SUP] which was (and remains) very effective as the geriatric tranquilizer it was intended to be. Thalidomide[SUP]®[/SUP] is, however, contraindicated for any PREGNANT geriatric patient.
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Was not prescribed off-label. Indeed, it was over-the-counter until 1961, and specifically recommended for morning sickness.

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Thalidomide, sold under the brand name Thalomid among others, is a medication used to treat a number of cancers including multiple myeloma, ...Pregnancy category‎: ‎AU: X (High risk); US: X ...
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TU Curmudgeon said:
The thread is about the French government reversing a ban - that happened.

My comment was in response to your statement that the drug had been proven effective.

Which of those do you think never happened?
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The tangent to which you replied was about the two Darwin Award candidates who took fish tank chloroquine. Please see #301.
 
SLC said:
The Michigan Governor has reverse her ban also an new randomized study out of China shows Hydroxychloroquine to be effective in treating COVID 19. . I guess she should not have been trying to supplant doctor's judgement in the first place.
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You are probably referring to the study by Drs. Zhaowei Chen, Jijia Hu, Zongwei Zhang, Shan Jiang, Shoumeng Han, Dandan Yan, Ruhong Zhuang, Ben Hu, and Zhan Zhang which concluded that

Among patients with COVID-19, the use of HCQ _COULD_ significantly shorten TTCR (Time To Clinical Recovery) and promote the absorption of pneumonia.
(emphasis added)
[SOURCE]
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PLEASE NOTE that

  1. "could" and "does" have completely different meanings;
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  2. a clinical study of a total of 62 patients is generally considered insufficient to form a solid conclusion;
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    and;
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  3. NEITHER of the medications was used as a "preventative" in the study.

On the other hand, evrewunknoz that the Chinese are all lying all the time so the results are to be totally ignored (and, in fact, the only action that should be taken is exactly the reverse of what the Chinese commies are trying to delude Americans into doing as a part of the Commie Chinese plot to destroy America - right?
 
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BlueTex said:
Any thoughts on why this hospital was not able to reproduce the same results?
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Everybody thus far (except New York) has been working with pretty small sample sizes. Divergent results are a greater possibility in that situation.
 
Jack Hays said:
Dueling Frenchmen. And this:

[h=3]Comparing HydroxyChloroquine Trials | In the Pipeline[/h]blogs.sciencemag.org › pipeline › archives › 2020/03/31 › comparing...
eaLQGcTup6MgAAAAASUVORK5CYII=






2 days ago - Today's example: we have a clinical trial of hydroxychloroquine from Wuhan that has just ... to show any benefit for chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine therapy against the coronavirus – it ... Update, for medicinal chemists et al.
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That's easy to resolve. Which one of them said the same thing as Mr. Trump said?
 
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