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France reverses ban on hydroxychloroquine: it's working

Bullseye said:
What's your point? A lot of MDs thought it was worth a shot to help their patients? Imagine my shock. :eek:

By the way a growing number of MDs and ICU staffs are taking the drug as a protection against catch the disease.
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The point is the Arizona couple weren't the only ones that heard Trump promote the drug as a miracle cure.

I think the jury is still out on the drugs efficacy.

The drug is supposed to be a remedy for the virus, not a preventative. So where did you hear that "a growing number of MD's and ICU staff are taking the drug as a protection against catch[ing] the disease?"
 
Moot said:
Ironically...the Free Beacon has an far right bias....

"...Overall, we rate the Washington Free Beacon Right Biased based on story selection that favors the right and Mixed for factual reporting due to misleading and false claims..."​
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The story is accurate and corroborated by FEC data posted on DP.
 
Moot said:
The point is the Arizona couple weren't the only ones that heard Trump promote the drug as a miracle cure.
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Some people are stupid. I mean, seriously, would YOU drink aquarium cleaner? Trump said there was promising news on the drugs.
Moot said:
I think the jury is still out on the drugs efficacy.
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Then don't take it. As I mentioned MDs are using it on themselves at a protective measure.
Moot said:
The drug is supposed to be a remedy for the virus, not a preventative. So where did you hear that "a growing number of MD's and ICU staff are taking the drug as a protection against catch[ing] the disease?"
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Where did you read it couldn't be used as a preventative, or in prophylaxis role? I heard it on a televised interview over the last few days.
 
Casca XV said:
All any of your links, are saying is:

Pointing out that there has been no formal testing completed specific to covid-19, a big "No **** Sherlock".

A bunch of Trump haters screeching out 'Orange Man Bad".


There are two reason the Left is against this Drug:

1. Trump mentioned it theirfore they must be against it. If Trump came out in favor of oxygen these people would refuse to breath.

2. Democrats have nothing good to offer and they think this crisis will hurt Trump. They need this to last as long as possible and by all real accounts this drug is nothing but a good thing.
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You just don't like the fact the Democrats are right about most things and Republicans aren't.

Wait for the results of the clinical trials and then we'll talk.
 
Jack Hays said:
The story is accurate and corroborated by FEC data posted on DP.
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The story is accurate - the French DID "reverse the ban".

The comment is wildly inaccurate in that there is no verified PROOF that the substance actually works as the OP claimed it did.
 
Bullseye said:
Some people are stupid. I mean, seriously, would YOU drink aquarium cleaner? Trump said there was promising news on the drugs.
Then don't take it. As I mentioned MDs are using it on themselves at a protective measure.
Where did you read it couldn't be used as a preventative, or in prophylaxis role? I heard it on a televised interview over the last few days.
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You're the first I've heard mention it as a preventative....that's why I'm asking you for your source. Sorry, but "I heard it on tv" isn't good enough...especially on a debate forum.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
The story is accurate - the French DID "reverse the ban".

The comment is wildly inaccurate in that there is no verified PROOF that the substance actually works as the OP claimed it did.
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Sorry, but you don't know what was being discussed.
 
Jack Hays said:
The story is accurate and corroborated by FEC data posted on DP.
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The FEC corroborated that the woman was a democrat? Show me the FEC data.
 
Moot said:
You're the first I've heard mention it as a preventative....that's why I'm asking you for your source. Sorry, but "I heard it on tv" isn't good enough...especially on a debate forum.
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Fine, it's a matter of infinite insignificance whether you believe me or not. :cool:
 
Moot said:
You just don't like the fact the Democrats are right about most things and Republicans aren't.

Wait for the results of the clinical trials and then we'll talk.
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Doctors who actually treat patients are almost 100% in favor of the Drug, Doctors who are Govt Bureaucrats and like procedure over results are also majority in favor if it. Ill take their word over Trump haters and Democrat politicians anytime.

Cuomo is a typical Democrat and he is as big a fan of the Drug as Trump is.

Enjoy your "L".
 
Bullseye said:
Fine, it's a matter of infinite insignificance whether you believe me or not. :cool:
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And that's why you don't have any credibility. :cool:
 
Casca XV said:
Doctors who actually treat patients are almost 100% in favor of the Drug, Doctors who are Govt Bureaucrats and like procedure over results are also majority in favor if it. Ill take their word over Trump haters and Democrat politicians anytime.

Cuomo is a typical Democrat and he is as big a fan of the Drug as Trump is.

Enjoy your "L".
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Doctors are scrambling for anything that works...and so far the jury is still out on the drugs regardless of what the politicians say.
 
Moot said:
And that's why you don't have any credibility. :cool:
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Was I unclear about how little I care if you believe me or not? If you think I'm going to go back through 30-40 sites I've visited in the last few days just because I'm worried about your approval, I hate to disappoint you, I'm not.
 
Bullseye said:
Was I unclear about how little I care if you believe me or not? If you think I'm going to go back through 30-40 sites I've visited in the last few days just because I'm worried about your approval, I hate to disappoint you, I'm not.
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I don't recall asking if you cared...but the fact that you keep responding to my posts suggests that you do.

I simply asked you to back up your claim. Instead, you throw a tantrum and make the thread about your feelings. So what do you do for an encore...pound the table...blame everyone else...compound the lie with more lies...what?

It's not my approval you should worry about but rather your own credibility.
 

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17 hours ago - COVID-19: chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine only to be used in clinical trials or emergency use programmes.
 
Hamish Howl said:
No, I mean insisting on sinking time and resources into a drug simply because Trump got a hair up his ass.
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That so-called hair up his ass came from strong anecdotal evidence that the drug is showing promising results in Europe and Asia. Or should we just ban it because Trump thinks it's worth looking into? Dr Fauci and Dr Birx think it's worth sinking time and resources into.
 
Casca XV said:
All any of your links, are saying is:

Pointing out that there has been no formal testing completed specific to covid-19, a big "No **** Sherlock".

A bunch of Trump haters screeching out 'Orange Man Bad".


There are two reason the Left is against this Drug:

1. Trump mentioned it theirfore they must be against it. If Trump came out in favor of oxygen these people would refuse to breath.

2. Democrats have nothing good to offer and they think this crisis will hurt Trump. They need this to last as long as possible and by all real accounts this drug is nothing but a good thing.
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Imagine if Trump has ignored the possibility that Covid 19 patients could benefit from the malaria drug and it was in the long run absolutely proven effective in the rest of the world. The libruls would then be slamming Trump for holding back on pushing it. TDS limits the intellectual capacity of the left.
 
jmotivator said:
And? While there is evidence all over the globe of the effective use of hydroxychloroquine ...
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Indeed, and a very good summary of that evidence is

Several in vitro studies report antiviral activity of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine against SARS-CoV-2. In vivo data, although promising, is currently limited to one study with considerable limitations. On the basis of the weak evidence available to date, treatment guidelines have already incorporated the usage of chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine for certain patients with COVID-19.

Further research should address the optimal dose and duration of treatment, and explore side effects and long-term outcomes.

There is a higher risk of side effects in the presence of renal and liver impairment, and there have been isolated reports of COVID-19 disease-causing renal and hepatic injury.

Over twenty in vivo clinical trials have already been registered to test the use of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine for the treatment of COVID-19.

Contraindications for the use of these drugs must be checked for each individual before treatment. Empirical evidence suggests that hydroxychloroquine has a better safety profile, and it might therefore be preferable to focus research efforts on this less toxic metabolite.
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jmotivator said:
she has banned the prescription of hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 regardless of whether or not the patient and their doctor believe it will help save the patient's life.
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Surprisingly enough

Prescribing hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine without further proof of efficacy for treating COVID-19 or with the intent to stockpile the drug may create a shortage for patients with lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, or other ailments for which chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are proven treatments. Reports of this conduct will be evaluated and may be further investigated for administrative action. Prescribing any kind of prescription must also be associated with medical
documentation showing proof of the medical necessity and medical condition for which the patient is being treated. Again, these are drugs that have not been proven scientifically or medically to treat COVID-19.
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DOES NOT "ban" anything, it merely advises doctors that their conduct in prescribing medication what is needed for other uses and which has NO PROVEN effectiveness against COVID-19 will be investigated. If the conduct is found to be appropriate, then nothing further is going to happen to the doctors. If the conduct is found to be inappropriate, then the usual remedies available for doctors who act inappropriately will be available.

PS - You can bet your bottom dollar that the insurance companies are informing the doctors that they WILL NOT cover claims against the doctors arising from deaths or injuries due to the doctors prescribing "medication that has not been approved for use with respect to the particular condition that the patient has been diagnosed as having and/or has not been approved for use as a preventative with respect to a particular condition that the patient has concerns that they might contract". THAT will be a much more effective "ban" than anything that any state government can do.
You defend that.

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slick said:
Gretchen Whitmer banned doctors from prescribing the lifesaving drugs hydroxychloroquine and Z-Paks to save senior citizens in the state.
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Unfortunately that is not a true statement.

slick said:
Hydroxychloroquine is safe and in at least three international tests was found 100% effective in treating the coronavirus.
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Before I could accept that as a true statement, I'd have to see some evidence - like, let's say, LINKS to those "three international tests".

slick said:
Whitmer’s Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs literally threatened all doctors and pharmacists in the state who prescribe or dispense hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19, warning physicians and pharmacists of professional consequences for the prescribing of hydroxychloroquine (and chloroquine).
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Indeed, and the "professional consequences" would be exactly the same as the "professional consequences" following an investigation and finding (after hearing) that the doctors and/or pharmacists had "acted unprofessionally".
 
jonny5 said:
Prove it. Prove that it wasnt technology and cultural changes created by private individuals. Good luck.
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The two biggest identifiable factors in extending life span were [1] the introduction of clean water supplies and [2] the introduction of sanitary sewer supplies.

Thank your plumber for you increased life expectancy, NOT your doctor or politician.
 
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