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France reverses ban on hydroxychloroquine: it's working

Chomsky said:
Exactly. Trump is acting extremely dangerously, as we saw with the AZ couple dosing themselves with fish-tank cleaner.
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That's total BS. Trump never even halfway suggested people start ingesting fish cleaning chemicals. That level of total stupidness is on them. For God's sake, these people didn't even have symptoms. There is nothing dangerous at all about the correct medications. They have years of study showing they are safe.
 
PirateMk1 said:
It shows promise, its not a controlled study and we need one before we say we have a legitimate treatment. That said docs should use it if they think they are getting results in the mean time.
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It shows promise and they are safe. What more do you need? These meds were not just cooked up in someone's back yard.
 
Chomsky said:
Bingo.

We need data of the drug's efficacy. But even more importantly, we need to know its safety in coronovirus-compromised individuals. Medicine, safe medicine, is not so easy as some here seem to imply.
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As far as I know, these drugs have only been given to those in extremely poor condition, those who were going to more than likely die anyway.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Trumplings and the creature itself think only "Orange man wonderful!"
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Trump was ahead of the so called experts when talking about these drugs. So, yes, you could call orange man wonderful. Only the left would rather see people die than give Trump credit for anything.
 
jmotivator said:
Michigan
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Here is the Michigan order:

Dear Licensed Prescribers and Dispensers:
The Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs has received multiple allegations of
Michigan physicians inappropriately prescribing hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine to
themselves, family, friends, and/or coworkers without a legitimate medical purpose.

Prescribing hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine without further proof of efficacy for treating
COVID-19 or with the intent to stockpile the drug may create a shortage for patients with lupus,
rheumatoid arthritis, or other ailments for which chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are proven
treatments. Reports of this conduct will be evaluated and may be further investigated for
administrative action. Prescribing any kind of prescription must also be associated with medical
documentation showing proof of the medical necessity and medical condition for which the
patient is being treated. Again, these are drugs that have not been proven scientifically or
medically to treat COVID-19.

Michigan pharmacists may see an increased volume of prescriptions for hydroxychloroquine
and chloroquine and should take special care to evaluate the prescriptions’ legitimacy. Pursuant
to Michigan Administrative Code, R 338.490(2), a pharmacist shall not fill a prescription if the
pharmacist believes the prescription will be used for other than legitimate medical purposes or if
the prescription could cause harm to a patient.

It is also important to be mindful that licensed health professionals are required to report
inappropriate prescribing practices. LARA appreciates all licensed health professionals for their
service and cooperation in assuring compliance in acting responsibly while continuing to provide
the best possible care for Michigan’s citizens during this unprecedented and very challenging
time.
To stay up to date on the latest information regarding the COVID-19 pandemic please go to
Coronavirus - Coronavirus and the CDC site at Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

https://www.michigan.gov/documents/...cribing_and_Dispensing_3-24-2020_684869_7.pdf

Is this a ban?
 
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BlueTex said:
Here is the Michigan order:

Dear Licensed Prescribers and Dispensers:
The Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs has received multiple allegations of
Michigan physicians inappropriately prescribing hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine to
themselves, family, friends, and/or coworkers without a legitimate medical purpose.

Prescribing hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine without further proof of efficacy for treating
COVID-19 or with the intent to stockpile the drug may create a shortage for patients with lupus,
rheumatoid arthritis, or other ailments for which chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are proven
treatments. Reports of this conduct will be evaluated and may be further investigated for
administrative action. Prescribing any kind of prescription must also be associated with medical
documentation showing proof of the medical necessity and medical condition for which the
patient is being treated. Again, these are drugs that have not been proven scientifically or
medically to treat COVID-19.

Michigan pharmacists may see an increased volume of prescriptions for hydroxychloroquine
and chloroquine and should take special care to evaluate the prescriptions’ legitimacy. Pursuant
to Michigan Administrative Code, R 338.490(2), a pharmacist shall not fill a prescription if the
pharmacist believes the prescription will be used for other than legitimate medical purposes or if
the prescription could cause harm to a patient.

It is also important to be mindful that licensed health professionals are required to report
inappropriate prescribing practices. LARA appreciates all licensed health professionals for their
service and cooperation in assuring compliance in acting responsibly while continuing to provide
the best possible care for Michigan’s citizens during this unprecedented and very challenging
time.
To stay up to date on the latest information regarding the COVID-19 pandemic please go to
Coronavirus - Coronavirus and the CDC site at Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

https://www.michigan.gov/documents/...cribing_and_Dispensing_3-24-2020_684869_7.pdf

Is this a ban?
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And? While there is evidence all over the globe of the effective use of hydroxychloroquine she has banned the prescription of hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 regardless of whether or not the patient and their doctor believe it will help save the patient's life.

You defend that.

Unbelievable.
 
jmotivator said:
And? While there is evidence all over the globe of the effective use of hydroxychloroquine she has banned the prescription of hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 regardless of whether or not the patient and their doctor believe it will help save the patient's life.

You defend that.

Unbelievable.
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Where is all this evidence? I am asking is that a ban? If other states ordered similar treatment of the drug would that also be a ban?
 
Moderate Right said:
Trump was ahead of the so called experts when talking about these drugs. So, yes, you could call orange man wonderful. Only the left would rather see people die than give Trump credit for anything.
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Right? They berate the president when they think he is too slow to act, and the berate him when he is ahead of the curve. They don't want progress on fighting the disease, they want political pay back. They are disgusting.
 
BlueTex said:
I am asking is that a ban?
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Yes it is. They can't prescribe hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 because COVID-19 isn't on the FDA list of uses for hydroxychloroquine. It is a law siding with bureaucracy over doctors, and state authority over people's lives.
 
Chomsky said:
Exactly. Trump is acting extremely dangerously, as we saw with the AZ couple dosing themselves with fish-tank cleaner.
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Jesus wept, I thought you were smarter than that, Chomsky. :roll:
 
jmotivator said:
Yes it is. They can't prescribe hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 because COVID-19 isn't on the FDA list of uses for hydroxychloroquine. It is a law siding with bureaucracy over doctors, and state authority over people's lives.
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Here is the state of Texas order from March 20th:

1 TITLE 22 EXAMINING BOARDS
2 PART 15 TEXAS STATE BOARD OF PHARMACY
3 CHAPTER 291 PHARMACIES
4 SUBCHAPTER A ALL CLASSES OF PHARMACIES
5 §291.30. Medication Limitations.
6 No prescription or medication order for chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine, mefloquine, or
7 azithromycin may be dispensed or distributed unless all the following apply:
8 (1) the prescription or medication order bears a written diagnosis from the prescriber consistent
9 with the evidence for its use;
10 (2) the prescription or medication order is limited to no more than a fourteen (14) day supply,
11 unless the patient was previously established on the medication prior to the effective date of this
12 rule; and
13 (3) no refills may be permitted unless a new prescription or medication order is furnished.

https://www.pharmacy.texas.gov/files_pdf/291.30.pdf

Why is Governor Abbott banning the use of hydroxychloroquine? Are you perhaps being mislead by your "sources"?
 
BlueTex said:
Here is the state of Texas order from March 20th:

1 TITLE 22 EXAMINING BOARDS
2 PART 15 TEXAS STATE BOARD OF PHARMACY
3 CHAPTER 291 PHARMACIES
4 SUBCHAPTER A ALL CLASSES OF PHARMACIES
5 §291.30. Medication Limitations.
6 No prescription or medication order for chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine, mefloquine, or
7 azithromycin may be dispensed or distributed unless all the following apply:
8 (1) the prescription or medication order bears a written diagnosis from the prescriber consistent
9 with the evidence for its use;
10 (2) the prescription or medication order is limited to no more than a fourteen (14) day supply,
11 unless the patient was previously established on the medication prior to the effective date of this
12 rule; and
13 (3) no refills may be permitted unless a new prescription or medication order is furnished.

https://www.pharmacy.texas.gov/files_pdf/291.30.pdf

Why is Governor Abbott banning the use of hydroxychloroquine? Are you perhaps being mislead by your "sources"?
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Did you actually read that order? :roll:

Show me where that bans the use of hydroxychloroquine for use with COVID-19? All that order does is limit the amount that can be distributed to a single patient to prevent a run on hydroxychloroquine.
 
I suggest more applicable documentation would be dated after the FDA's 28 March authorization letter.
 
BlueTex said:
You might want to contact the Texas Medical Board with your interpretation...

Pharmacy Board Limits Chloroquine Prescriptions
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Can you not read ANYTHING you post? :roll:

That doesn't say what you think it says and it says EXACTLY what I said it says.

The state board is limiting the AMOUNT of hydroxychloroquine that can be prescribed for fear of a run on hydroxychloroquine for use with COVID-19. That is very different than the Michigan oredr forbiding the prescription of hydroxychloroquine for use in treating COVID-19.

Shall we go to Oklahoma next?

https://www.ok.gov/pharmacy/documents/1917.pdf
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*face palm* It is verbatim the same order as Texas for the same reason. Doctors must prescribe it, must provide evidence for the necessity, and a patient can only get 14 doses. That is to prevent a stockpiling of hydroxychloroquine the same way people stockpiled toilet paper.

That is not the same as ordering pharmacies to not fill orders for hydroxychloroquine if they believe it is being used treat illnesses other than the FDA approved uses.
 
Jack Hays said:
I suggest more applicable documentation would be dated after the FDA's 28 March authorization letter.
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While the FDA essentially saved Gov. Whitmer from herself, she now has a new problem. Since Gov. Abbot and Gov. Stitt's orders limited the amount of hydroxychloroquine, but now what it can be prescribed for, there is no change to how those states will now distribute hydroxychloroquine after the FDA emergency authorization. But Gov. Whitmer banded the use for COVID-19, but didn't limit the distribution... so with the FDA authorization I would expect Michigan to run out of hydroxychloroquine rater quickly since there is no law in place to prevent stockpiling.
 
jmotivator said:
While the FDA essentially saved Gov. Whitmer from herself, she now has a new problem. Since Gov. Abbot and Gov. Stitt's orders limited the amount of hydroxychloroquine, but now what it can be prescribed for, there is no change to how those states will now distribute hydroxychloroquine after the FDA emergency authorization. But Gov. Whitmer banded the use for COVID-19, but didn't limit the distribution... so with the FDA authorization I would expect Michigan to run out of hydroxychloroquine rater quickly since there is no law in place to prevent stockpiling.
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The FDA EUA only the use of hydroxychloroquine on hospitalized patients...
 
BlueTex said:
The FDA EUA only the use of hydroxychloroquine on hospitalized patients...
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I don't know whether to laugh or cry...

So your wimpering counterargument is that there won't be a run on hydroxychloroquine in Michigan because it will only be prescribed to the very sick there, rather than to the pretty sick to avoid them becoming the very sick? :roll:

Really ****ing brilliant there, BluleTex. :roll:
 
jmotivator said:
I don't know whether to laugh or cry...

So your wimpering counterargument is that there won't be a run on hydroxychloroquine in Michigan because it will only be prescribed to the very sick there, rather than to the pretty sick to avoid them becoming the very sick? :roll:

Really ****ing brilliant there, BluleTex. :roll:
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Oh, did you not actually read the FDA EUA? You aren't going to be able to run down to your pharmacy and grab a script anytime soon...
 
BlueTex said:
Oh, did you not actually read the FDA EUA? You aren't going to be able to run down to your pharmacy and grab a script anytime soon...
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I never said a person can just run down to the pharmacy and "grab a script". They will need to go to their doctor, be diagnosed with an illness that the doctor believes hydroxychloroquine will be helpful and then in Texas and Oklahoma (your two examples) they will be able to submit their prescription to the pharmacy and receive a 14 day supply.

You won't be able to get it in MICHIGAN who is sticking to the FDA guidelines... there you will have to sit and cough and let the illness develop until you are hospitalized. Again, you lose. How many times do you want to repeat this process?
 
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