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France reverses ban on hydroxychloroquine: it's working

Moot said:
The NIH has the funding, but they're not funding clinical trials for hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine...and this is why...


"...Researchers credit the advanced stages of the remdesivir and sarimulab trials to the fact that pharmaceutical companies have exclusive rights to these drugs and have an incentive to get studies moving.

Hydroxychloroquine, on the other hand, is an inexpensive generic drug made by several companies, so no one company stands to make much money off it.

"There are financial drivers in this system," said Dr. Kevin Tracey, president of the Feinstein Institutes for Medical Research at Northwell. "I think that's just the reality, frankly." ..."​


I guess you didn't read the article after all.
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That's a reason that drug companies may not want to experiment, but many others do have incentive, and are launching studies. Seriously, given how quickly the virus has developed, are you surprised that funding grants, often established years in advance, aren't in place?

And FYI - that's another tangent, and attempt at deflection. But you keep trying.
 
Moot said:
The NIH has the funding, but they're not funding clinical trials for hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine...and this is why...


"...Researchers credit the advanced stages of the remdesivir and sarimulab trials to the fact that pharmaceutical companies have exclusive rights to these drugs and have an incentive to get studies moving.

Hydroxychloroquine, on the other hand, is an inexpensive generic drug made by several companies, so no one company stands to make much money off it.

"There are financial drivers in this system," said Dr. Kevin Tracey, president of the Feinstein Institutes for Medical Research at Northwell. "I think that's just the reality, frankly." ..."​


I guess you didn't read the article after all.
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To be fair to Gilead.. they did relinquish orphan drug status for remdesivir..


Gilead Withdraws Request for Special Orphan Status on Experimental Coronavirus Treatment - The New York Times


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dcsports said:
Real doctors are studying it, and using it on real patients. It's not a miracle cure, but has been shown to reduce the viral load, buying time for the patient's immune system to fight the disease. That's why the President mentioned the drug as a potential treatment.
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In the US real doctors are using it in real clinical trials on real patients....


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Moot said:
The NIH has the funding, but they're not funding clinical trials for hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine...and this is why...


"...Researchers credit the advanced stages of the remdesivir and sarimulab trials to the fact that pharmaceutical companies have exclusive rights to these drugs and have an incentive to get studies moving.

Hydroxychloroquine, on the other hand, is an inexpensive generic drug made by several companies, so no one company stands to make much money off it.

"There are financial drivers in this system," said Dr. Kevin Tracey, president of the Feinstein Institutes for Medical Research at Northwell. "I think that's just the reality, frankly." ..."​


I guess you didn't read the article after all.
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I would like to think that a fix for this virus would not be predicated on money. i hope we are too quick to blame a lag on financial interests. Nevertheless, thank you for the information!!
 
BlueTex said:
Approved for the treatment of COVID19... Would use this to treat a common cold?


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Back tracking and diverting. Who was talking about a common cold. This is used on people’s with serious issues.
 
Paradoxical said:
Back tracking and diverting. Who was talking about a common cold. This is used on people’s with serious issues.
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Has it been approved for the treatment of COVID19? If there are no consequences for taking it off label why would you object to using it for a common cold?


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BlueTex said:
Has it been approved for the treatment of COVID19? If there are no consequences for taking it off label why would you object to using it for a common cold?


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New York is all in.

NY to start experimental treatments for COVID-19 | CSNY

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4 days ago - NY to start experimental treatments for COVID-19 ... and 750,000 doses of Chloroquine,” in anticipation of drug trials that will begin on Tuesday.

[FONT=&quot]Cuomo said that the Federal Food and Drug Administration gave the department approval to move forward with a combination drug therapy of hydroxychloroquine and zithromax to treat extremely ill COVID-19 patients. On Sunday, the governor said that the state [/FONT]has purchased[FONT=&quot] “70,000 doses of Hydroxychloroquine, 10,000 doses of Zithromax and 750,000 doses of Chloroquine,” in anticipation of drug trials that will begin on Tuesday. [/FONT]
 
dcsports said:
That's a reason that drug companies may not want to experiment, but many others do have incentive, and are launching studies. Seriously, given how quickly the virus has developed, are you surprised that funding grants, often established years in advance, aren't in place?

And FYI - that's another tangent, and attempt at deflection. But you keep trying.
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Okay, then name one US drug company doing clinical trials on hydroxychloroquine. They don't have incentive if there's no profit.

Also, show me the tangent.

.
 
BlueTex said:
In the US real doctors are using it in real clinical trials on real patients....


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OK. I believe that's what I said.
 
Moot said:
Okay, then name one US drug company doing clinical trials on hydroxychloroquine. They don't have incentive if there's no profit.

Also, show me the tangent.

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The article we were just discussing mentioned two studies being conducted by three research institutions. Not all drug studies are performed by drug companies.
 
Moot said:
Okay, then name one US drug company doing clinical trials on hydroxychloroquine. They don't have incentive if there's no profit.

Also, show me the tangent.

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New York is all in, treating thousands of patients with hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine.
 
Logophile said:
Really?? A control group?? You want a "control group" to satisfy you in the middle of a huge, global pandemic?? Would YOU want to wait for a "control group" while you were sucking air on a respirator?? Heck no. I suspect that you - as per anybody - would be very happy with ANYTHING that showed promise
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Blindly administering a drug or vaccine isn't "showing promise," especially if the drug is needed for things it actually treats.

A pandemic isn't the time to chuck the scientific process out the window. It's a time to adhere to it.
 
Paradoxical said:
what do you mean by proper? A year long test on the China Virus with double blind studies?
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I mean a proper study. What is being presented here is anecdotes and farts out of Trump's pie hole.
 
Hamish Howl said:
Blindly administering a drug or vaccine isn't "showing promise," especially if the drug is needed for things it actually treats.

A pandemic isn't the time to chuck the scientific process out the window. It's a time to adhere to it.
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New York has begun multi-thousand patient trial treatments.
 
Logophile said:
I would like to think that a fix for this virus would not be predicated on money. i hope we are too quick to blame a lag on financial interests. Nevertheless, thank you for the information!!
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You're welcome. But when has the pharmaceutical industry not been predicated on money?
 
Jack Hays said:
New York is all in.

NY to start experimental treatments for COVID-19 | CSNY

www.cityandstateny.com › articles › politics › new-york-city › ny-star...
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4 days ago - NY to start experimental treatments for COVID-19 ... and 750,000 doses of Chloroquine,” in anticipation of drug trials that will begin on Tuesday.

[FONT="]Cuomo said that the Federal Food and Drug Administration gave the department approval to move forward with a combination drug therapy of hydroxychloroquine and zithromax to treat extremely ill COVID-19 patients. On Sunday, the governor said that the state [/FONT][/COLOR][URL="https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/amid-ongoing-covid-19-pandemic-governor-cuomo-accepts-recommendation-army-corps-engineers-four"]has purchased[/URL][FONT="] “70,000 doses of Hydroxychloroquine, 10,000 doses of Zithromax and 750,000 doses of Chloroquine,” in anticipation of drug trials that will begin on Tuesday. [/FONT]
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Zithromax is an antibiotic.
It’s used to kill bacteria.
The Coronavirus is caused by a virus, not bacteria.
This is why Zithromax does not work on the flu, because it’s also caused by a virus.
 
SMTA said:
Zithromax is an antibiotic.
It’s used to kill bacteria.
The Coronavirus is caused by a virus, not bacteria.
This is why Zithromax does not work on the flu, because it’s also caused by a virus.
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Zithromax makes sense, though, because opportunistic crud (staph, etc) pile right on when you get the plague.
 
SMTA said:
Zithromax is an antibiotic.
It’s used to kill bacteria.
The Coronavirus is caused by a virus, not bacteria.
This is why Zithromax does not work on the flu, because it’s also caused by a virus.
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I believe the antibiotics are for common secondary problems, not for the COVID-19 virus.
 
Erod said:
https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1243779158737440768?s=19

Decret ndeg 2020-314 du 25 mars 2020 completant le decret ndeg 2020-293 du 23 mars 2020 prescrivant les mesures generales necessaires pour faire face a l'epidemie de covid-19 dans le cadre de l'etat d'urgence sanitaire | Legifrance

It works. Use it.

Trump was right.
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I'll give this post the benefit of the doubt and say okay maybe it turns out after clinical trials that the drug does work.

So then how the f*** did Trump know?

He didn't. He was flailing. He was wrong when he said it would be over in two weeks, wrong when he said people could go about their daily lives, wrong when he said it's no worse than the flu and as far as he knew at the time, wrong when he touted this drug. If this turns out to be correct in the long run, then it's just a happy accident that Trump also said it. He didn't know, he was just running his mouth and just once it turned out to be true.

We still need data and experts before listening to Trump. So I will still wait for more.
 
Moot said:
Yeah, I just read that Colombia University is doing a clinical trial but it doesn't look like it's started yet...and it won't be finished for one or two years. I assume that's the one you're talking about...

Search of: hydroxychloroquine | covid-19 | United States - List Results - ClinicalTrials.gov

The Minnesota University clinical trial looks more promising.
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No. I'm talking about the state of New York, which is already treating thousands of patients with hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine.

Trump keeps touting an unproven treatment. It’s now being tested on thousands in N.Y.

The effort has raised concerns among health experts. But President Trump’s intervention and New York Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo’s embrace of the strategy has fueled popular excitement about the drugs.






New York is moving at unprecedented speed and scale in a human experiment to distribute tens of thousands of doses of anti-malarial drugs to seriously ill patients, spurred by political leaders including President Trump to try a treatment that is not proved to be effective against the coronavirus.

With no proven treatment for the coronavirus, and infections in New York topping 30,000, health experts say the Food and Drug Administration has moved with uncommon speed to authorize New York’s sweeping plan to distribute the drugs through hospital networks. . . .

New York will use three medications — hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine in combination with the antibiotic azithromycin — contributed by the Federal Emergency Management Agency and Amneal Pharmaceuticals, the state said. The first wave of patients will receive hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin. . . .
 
dcsports said:
The article we were just discussing mentioned two studies being conducted by three research institutions. Not all drug studies are performed by drug companies.
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The point is that those two companies are not doing clinical trials on hydroxychloroquine because there's no profit in it.
 
Jack Hays said:
No. I'm talking about the state of New York, which is already treating thousands of patients with hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine.

Trump keeps touting an unproven treatment. It’s now being tested on thousands in N.Y.

The effort has raised concerns among health experts. But President Trump’s intervention and New York Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo’s embrace of the strategy has fueled popular excitement about the drugs.






New York is moving at unprecedented speed and scale in a human experiment to distribute tens of thousands of doses of anti-malarial drugs to seriously ill patients, spurred by political leaders including President Trump to try a treatment that is not proved to be effective against the coronavirus.

With no proven treatment for the coronavirus, and infections in New York topping 30,000, health experts say the Food and Drug Administration has moved with uncommon speed to authorize New York’s sweeping plan to distribute the drugs through hospital networks. . . .

New York will use three medications — hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine in combination with the antibiotic azithromycin — contributed by the Federal Emergency Management Agency and Amneal Pharmaceuticals, the state said. The first wave of patients will receive hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin. . . .
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If they're already using the drug on patients then we should know in the next five to ten days if it works or not. It's a helluva way to do a blind study that's all I can say.
 
Moot said:
The point is that those two companies are not doing clinical trials on hydroxychloroquine because there's no profit in it.
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Um, OK. Two drug companies are not doing clinical trials on it. That doesn't mean that clinical trials aren't being done.
 
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