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Will Trump Re-Open Businesses April 12th?

When will President call off lockdown?

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When Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) called President Trump last Sunday, he delivered a blunt message: If you reopen the nation's economy too early against the advice of public-health experts, you will own the deaths from the novel coronavirus that follow.

Trump's stalwart ally also warned that the president wouldn't be the only one held responsible. Graham said the Republican Party itself risks being defined ahead of this fall’s elections as prioritizing commerce and the stock market over the health and safety of the American people.

The president is not technically the decider, however. The battle to reopen the country pits Trump against multiple governors, Democratic and Republican alike, who are scrambling to mitigate the impact of the coronavirus in their communities and marshal medical supplies for their hospitals. They will have the final say on when restaurants, stores and other gathering places in their states can reopen.

"If you ask the American people to choose between public health and the economy, then it's no contest. No American is going to say, ‘Accelerate the economy at the cost of human life,' " Cuomo told reporters last week.

Inside Trump’s risky push to reopen the country amid the coronavirus crisis
 
Can someone cite where Trump has the authority to end a states shelter in place order?
 
azgreg said:
Can someone cite where Trump has the authority to end a states shelter in place order?
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Something, something constitutional supremacy and sheriffs and the illegal federal income tax, liberals, atheists and homosexuals...

PS: Nope, he has no authority to do anything other than make recommendations....
 
azgreg said:
Can someone cite where Trump has the authority to end a states shelter in place order?
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He has the ability to give or deny Fed help to those governors who don't bow before him.

'This collective gubernatorial power could be a counterweight in the coming days if Trump continues to rally for a national reopening. But governors will also continue to lean on Trump for federal help - an imperative that New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy (D) said would outweigh emerging tensions over reopening the economy, at least for now.

“We can’t print money, and we don’t have anything close to the stockpiles the federal government has, so we need them,” Murphy said in an interview.'
 
Whether or not Trump has the requisite authority is almost moot.

Most Americans will believe that the President has such authorities as the highest elected official in the land.

In addition, Trump's base will do whatever he directs them to do. (Many GOP Governors are a part of Trumps base)
 
grip said:
When Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) called President Trump last Sunday, he delivered a blunt message: If you reopen the nation's economy too early against the advice of public-health experts, you will own the deaths from the novel coronavirus that follow.

Trump's stalwart ally also warned that the president wouldn't be the only one held responsible. Graham said the Republican Party itself risks being defined ahead of this fall’s elections as prioritizing commerce and the stock market over the health and safety of the American people.

The president is not technically the decider, however. The battle to reopen the country pits Trump against multiple governors, Democratic and Republican alike, who are scrambling to mitigate the impact of the coronavirus in their communities and marshal medical supplies for their hospitals. They will have the final say on when restaurants, stores and other gathering places in their states can reopen.

"If you ask the American people to choose between public health and the economy, then it's no contest. No American is going to say, ‘Accelerate the economy at the cost of human life,' " Cuomo told reporters last week.

Inside Trump’s risky push to reopen the country amid the coronavirus crisis
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Well if the cult leader says to go back to work after Easter, then perhaps all the cultists should go to work after Easter.
 
grip said:
He has the ability to give or deny Fed help to those governors who don't bow before him.

'This collective gubernatorial power could be a counterweight in the coming days if Trump continues to rally for a national reopening. But governors will also continue to lean on Trump for federal help - an imperative that New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy (D) said would outweigh emerging tensions over reopening the economy, at least for now.

“We can’t print money, and we don’t have anything close to the stockpiles the federal government has, so we need them,” Murphy said in an interview.'
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Yes, indeed.

I'm seeing a pro-Trump argument being made around DP lately, citing the "Liberal Dem" governors saying Trump is doing a 'good job'. It's feint praise.

None of them like Trump, none of them respect Trump, none of them think he is doing a good job. But they realize they need to stroke his narcissistic ego to continue to receive the federal aid they need to save their constituents' lives.
 
Chomsky said:
Yes, indeed.

I'm seeing a pro-Trump argument being made around DP lately, citing the "Liberal Dem" governors saying Trump is doing a 'good job'. It's feint praise.

None of them like Trump, none of them respect Trump, none of them think he is doing a good job. But they realize they need to stroke his narcissistic ego to continue to receive the federal aid they need to save their constituents' lives.
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More to that point...

'President Donald Trump’s latest target, Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, told a radio station Friday that medical supply vendors informed her they’ve been told “not to send stuff” to her state amid the battle against COVID-19.

Whitmer told CNN later in the day that the state’s shipments of personal protective equipment are being “canceled” or “delayed” — and sent instead to the federal government. She said it’s happening to other states as well.

Trump’s willingness to punish a state’s residents amid a pandemic over a feud with a governor appeared evident in a statement at his press briefing Friday.'

Gov. Gretchen Whitmer Says Medical Vendors Told Not To "Send Stuff" To Michigan
 
poweRob said:
Well if the cult leader says to go back to work after Easter, then perhaps all the cultists should go to work after Easter.
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Trump: Go back to work and save my reelection this fall by propping up the market for investors. That's an order from headquarters!
 
if it turns out that he is personally preventing medical supplies to be delivered to states that he doesn't like, he should be tried and convicted after leaving office. let his cult revolt. at this point, i don't care. he needs to sit down, STFU, and let the CDC handle this.
 
grip said:
More to that point...

'President Donald Trump’s latest target, Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, told a radio station Friday that medical supply vendors informed her they’ve been told “not to send stuff” to her state amid the battle against COVID-19.

Whitmer told CNN later in the day that the state’s shipments of personal protective equipment are being “canceled” or “delayed” — and sent instead to the federal government. She said it’s happening to other states as well.

Trump’s willingness to punish a state’s residents amid a pandemic over a feud with a governor appeared evident in a statement at his press briefing Friday.'

Gov. Gretchen Whitmer Says Medical Vendors Told Not To "Send Stuff" To Michigan
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Thanks.

And it could get worse. Due to the federal government's unpreparedness, we see resource rationing. I wouldn't put it past Trump to firstly supply the Red areas he needs politically, in order to keep his base believing he is doing a good job.

On the Fox 'townhall' the other day, he literally said things are going well in terms of supplies sent to NY. With the myopic media self-censure of many of his followers, do you think they'll ever see otherwise?

Before this is over, we may see Trump blame the "Liberal Dems" for the catastrophe occurring, and use that as a political motivator to support him for re-election.
 
grip said:
When Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) called President Trump last Sunday, he delivered a blunt message: If you reopen the nation's economy too early against the advice of public-health experts, you will own the deaths from the novel coronavirus that follow.

Trump's stalwart ally also warned that the president wouldn't be the only one held responsible. Graham said the Republican Party itself risks being defined ahead of this fall’s elections as prioritizing commerce and the stock market over the health and safety of the American people.

The president is not technically the decider, however. The battle to reopen the country pits Trump against multiple governors, Democratic and Republican alike, who are scrambling to mitigate the impact of the coronavirus in their communities and marshal medical supplies for their hospitals. They will have the final say on when restaurants, stores and other gathering places in their states can reopen.

"If you ask the American people to choose between public health and the economy, then it's no contest. No American is going to say, ‘Accelerate the economy at the cost of human life,' " Cuomo told reporters last week.

Inside Trump’s risky push to reopen the country amid the coronavirus crisis
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Who cares what Trump says? State Governors have been the only ones doing anything to protect their citizens.
 
Trump would definitely prefer a red state/blue state fight over addressing the pandemic, so yes, he’ll do it.
 
Cardinal said:
Trump would definitely prefer a red state/blue state fight over addressing the pandemic, so yes, he’ll do it.
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Bingo! And it might carry him into office.

For example, there was this post here the other day:

Barnacle said:
In other words, New Yorkers flee their infected democrat rat hole and increase the virus spread to red states ... because they don't like having restrictions put on them.

How selfish of those democrats.
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And just now, Trump stated he's looking at quarantining several Dem states for two weeks - and may announce it later today:

We might not have to do it, but there's a possibility that sometime today we'll do a quarantine, short-term, two weeks on New York. Probably New Jersey, certain parts of Connecticut," he told reporters as he departed the White House.
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Trump said that the possible quarantine would be "enforceable" and "restrict travel" from those parts of the tri-state area.

"Restrict travel, because they're having problems down in Florida, a lot of New Yorkers going down. We don't want that," he said.
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Source: Trump says he's considering short-term quarantine of New York, New Jersey, parts of Connecticut

And there we go. There it is.
 
Chomsky said:
Bingo! And it might carry him into office.

For example, there was this post here the other day:



And just now, Trump stated he's looking at quarantining several Dem states for two weeks - and may announce it later today:





Source: Trump says he's considering short-term quarantine of New York, New Jersey, parts of Connecticut

And there we go. There it is.
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Hmm... will these domestic travel restrictions have the same exceptions as the foreign travel restrictions did?
 
Chomsky said:
Yes, indeed.

I'm seeing a pro-Trump argument being made around DP lately, citing the "Liberal Dem" governors saying Trump is doing a 'good job'. It's feint praise.

None of them like Trump, none of them respect Trump, none of them think he is doing a good job. But they realize they need to stroke his narcissistic ego to continue to receive the federal aid they need to save their constituents' lives.
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Yep, the best bipartisanship that borrowed money can buy.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm...



seemed fairly partisan to me.
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Not at all. The govs are dealing with the factual reality of life & death. They're evaluating Trump's performance in keeping their constituents alive. And it's not going well ...
 
grip said:
When Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) called President Trump last Sunday, he delivered a blunt message: If you reopen the nation's economy too early against the advice of public-health experts, you will own the deaths from the novel coronavirus that follow.

Trump's stalwart ally also warned that the president wouldn't be the only one held responsible. Graham said the Republican Party itself risks being defined ahead of this fall’s elections as prioritizing commerce and the stock market over the health and safety of the American people.

The president is not technically the decider, however. The battle to reopen the country pits Trump against multiple governors, Democratic and Republican alike, who are scrambling to mitigate the impact of the coronavirus in their communities and marshal medical supplies for their hospitals. They will have the final say on when restaurants, stores and other gathering places in their states can reopen.

"If you ask the American people to choose between public health and the economy, then it's no contest. No American is going to say, ‘Accelerate the economy at the cost of human life,' " Cuomo told reporters last week.

Inside Trump’s risky push to reopen the country amid the coronavirus crisis
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I wasn't aware any were closed by him.
 
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