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Network news reports that 265 deaths already today

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Network news reports that 265 deaths already today, almost 1460 total, when we had only one on March 1.

Please, my friends: this is no hoax, we are living in The Time of Love and Death in the Coronavirus.

None of us have been in this country before.

Let's ALL listen to the scientific facts and do what must be done
 
Network news reports that 265 deaths already today, almost 1460 total, when we had only one on March 1.

Please, my friends: this is no hoax, we are living in The Time of Love and Death in the Coronavirus.

None of us have been in this country before.

Let's ALL listen to the scientific facts and do what must be done

What, exactly, must ALL do?
 
Network news reports that 265 deaths already today, almost 1460 total, when we had only one on March 1.

Please, my friends: this is no hoax, we are living in The Time of Love and Death in the Coronavirus.

None of us have been in this country before.

Let's ALL listen to the scientific facts and do what must be done

There is no clear division between how much of the country we should allow to be destroyed to try to keep the deaths down and how much we should not let be destroyed. Should we shelter in place for a year? For six months? For a month? Science cannot answer that question. Men, using their best judgments and guesses, must try to reach the perfect balance.
 
Network news reports that 265 deaths already today, almost 1460 total, when we had only one on March 1.

Please, my friends: this is no hoax, we are living in The Time of Love and Death in the Coronavirus.

None of us have been in this country before.

Let's ALL listen to the scientific facts and do what must be done

For the 6-month flu season from Oct 1 to March 31, 2019-20, the CDC estimates 29,000 to 59,000 deaths from the flu.

Taking the middle figure of 44,000, divided over the 180-day period, that's 244 deaths from the flu every day of the season. And those numbers would in reality be in the THOUSANDS of deaths per day during the real peak of the season, Jan-Feb.

It's something we live with every single year. So yeah, we've "been in this country before." We are every year.
 
The hoax master trolls are out in force.

We have identified two such in the family business, and are now training their replacements.

I suggest all of you who can run them out of public and private employment to do so: they would destroy our country if they could.
 
The hoax master trolls are out in force.

We have identified two such in the family business, and are now training their replacements.

I suggest all of you who can run them out of public and private employment to do so: they would destroy our country if they could.

What "hoax trolls"? I never said anything about a hoax. I did give you context to understand how much you're overreacting to a number, and that it's not the unprecedented situation you apparently want to believe it is.

But you never did answer the question -- what "must be done" by us "ALL"?
 
What "hoax trolls"? I never said anything about a hoax. I did give you context to understand how much you're overreacting to a number, and that it's not the unprecedented situation you apparently want to believe it is.

But you never did answer the question -- what "must be done" by us "ALL"?

I will follow the factual, scientific evidence. Our mayor and governor are fighting over a stand down shelter in place order until 1 May. That is what we need for the entire country at least.

Anyone who is putting business over family and personal health should be put on the unemployment line.
 
I will follow the factual, scientific evidence.

That's what I gave you. :shrug:

And you weren't following "science" when you were attempting to wax all poetic about the "Love and Death in the Time in Covid" and saying we've never "been in this country before."

Our mayor and governor are fighting over a stand down shelter in place order until 1 May. That is what we need for the entire country at least.

Anyone who is putting business over family and personal health should be put on the unemployment line.

Well . . . those are decisions that science alone cannot make. Not that "science" even demands such a draconian, blanket, sledgehammer approach to the entire country.
 
First of all, let's do our best not to get it.
 
The hoax master trolls are out in force.

We have identified two such in the family business, and are now training their replacements.

I suggest all of you who can run them out of public and private employment to do so: they would destroy our country if they could.

Wow, spoken like a fascist totalitarian.

Let me ask you this, why do we not treat the annual flu exactly the same way? Wouldn't shutting down huge swaths of the economy, practicing social distancing and sheltering in place save thousands of lives every year if we did it? People who treat one death differently from deaths which could be prevented by the same measures are utterly irrational. It reminds me of a scene from All in the Family when Gloria and Meathead were freaking out that Archie had bought a gun:

"Gloria Bunker-Stivic : Daddy, did you know that sixty-five percent of the people murdered in this country in the last ten years were killed by handguns?

Archie Bunker : Would it make you feel any better, little girl, if they was pushed out of windows?"

Would it make you feel any better, little girl, if those COVID-19 victims were dying of the annual flu? Apparently, because I am willing to bet you have never demanded that we take THAT nearly as seriously as we are based on our reaction to COVID-19.

I am also willing to bet you aren't too concerned about the close to 40,000 deaths a year that could be prevented by having a national speed limit of 5 MPH.

First of all, the "hoax meme" was a lie from the start, Trump never said that the illness, or its threat, was a hoax, he was refering to the dishonest (and often self-contradictory and irrational) criticism of his response (or lack thereof) was the latest in a string of hoaxes that his detractors had leveled at him. Second, many are either flat out or subtly playing on the irrational fear that most people have upon hearing the term "global pandemic", which in and of itself is a result of decades of Hollywood and the media ALWAYS playing up worst case scenarios (in the case of Hollywood, often comically so). I guarantee you that over half of people who think we are not doing enough to stop the spread (...sorry, "flattening the curve") subconsciously have this notion that left unchecked, this would wipe out most of human civilization akin to "The Stand" or "The Walking Dead" (just without the zombies in the case of the later). That is flat out stupid. Period. The question is whether the underlying notion of how bad this might get is a hoax or not.

There are COSTS (and not just economic, but in human life, health, and quality thereof) to what we do. There are opportunity costs to everything we do, not only is it perfectly rational, it is the very distinction between thoughtful and rational response and irrational fear-driven reaction.
 
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Wow, spoken like a fascist totalitarian.

Let me ask you this, why do we not treat the annual flu exactly the same way? Wouldn't shutting down huge swaths of the economy, practicing social distancing and sheltering in place save thousands of lives every year if we did it? People who treat one death different from others are utterly irrational. It reminds me of a scene from All in the Family when Gloria and Meathead were freaking out that Archie had bought a gun:

"Gloria Bunker-Stivic : Daddy, did you know that sixty-five percent of the people murdered in this country in the last ten years were killed by handguns?

Archie Bunker : Would it make you feel any better, little girl, if they was pushed out of windows?"

Would it make you feel any better, little girl, if those COVID-19 victims were dying of the annual flu? Apparently, because I am willing to bet you have never demanded that we take THAT nearly as seriously as we are based on our reaction to COVID-19.

I am also willing to bet you aren't too concerned about the close to 40,000 deaths a year that could be prevented by having a national speed limit of 5 MPH.

First of all, the "hoax meme" was a lie from the start, Trump never said that the illness, or its threat, was a hoax, he was refering to the dishonest (and often self-contradictory and irrational) criticism of his response (or lack thereof) was the latest in a string of hoaxes that his detractors had leveled at him. Second, many are either flat out or subtly playing on the irrational fear that most people have upon hearing the term "global pandemic", which in and of itself is a result of decades of Hollywood and the media ALWAYS playing up worst case scenarios (in the case of Hollywood, often comically so). I guarantee you that over half of people who think we are not doing enough to stop the spread (...sorry, "flattening the curve") subconsciously have this notion that left unchecked, this would wipe out most of human civilization akin to "The Stand" or "The Walking Dead" (just without the zombies in the case of the later). That is flat out stupid. Period. The question is whether the underlying notion of how bad this might get is a hoax or not.

There are COSTS (and not just economic, but in human life, health, and quality thereof) to what we do. There are opportunity costs to everything we do, not only is it perfectly rational, it is the very distinction between thoughtful and rational response and irrational fear-driven reaction.

Marcus, you are using terms the which you don't understand.

Yes, we can shut down for six weeks if necessary.

We do not live, thank God, in a libertarian state with wanks who would let several hundred thousand die so they can keep their "stay off my lawn" signs up.

You disgust me.
 
The relevant number is not the number of deaths or the number of infections.

It's the number of deaths divided by the number of infections. That's the mortality rate. That's the only number that matters.
 
I will follow the factual, scientific evidence. Our mayor and governor are fighting over a stand down shelter in place order until 1 May. That is what we need for the entire country at least.

Anyone who is putting business over family and personal health should be put on the unemployment line.

Are you in Mississippi by chance?
 
Welcome back to the CNN messaging board where fear reigns supreme! Today’s experts on the messaging board recommend that you lock yourself in a protective bubble and hold your breath for the next 4-6 months before coming out. Also don’t even think about going outside and breathing fresh air because that could kill you instantly. And human contact? Forget about it simply looking in the general direction of your loved ones will put them at risk.
And food? No way. Too risky. All the food is contaminated because it lives on surfaces for hours weeks, months or years depending on which Facebook expert you listen to today.
Hey good news though, instead of actually helping those one the front line by practicing safe hygene and being responsible about things by just remaining calm and help those who are treating this illness, we here on the messaging board would say forget that! Instead what we want you to do is spend your entire day on messaging board as just like this spreading fear- because after all it’s coming for all of us! Just remember, the more you make people afraid, the quicker we all can bounce back- those of you that don’t die from starvation or from trying to hold your breath for the next few months or die of panic attacks-



So please fee free to continue.....
 
I will follow the factual, scientific evidence. Our mayor and governor are fighting over a stand down shelter in place order until 1 May. That is what we need for the entire country at least.

Anyone who is putting business over family and personal health should be put on the unemployment line.

let me ask you a personal question

what do you do for a living?
 
For the 6-month flu season from Oct 1 to March 31, 2019-20, the CDC estimates 29,000 to 59,000 deaths from the flu.

Taking the middle figure of 44,000, divided over the 180-day period, that's 244 deaths from the flu every day of the season. And those numbers would in reality be in the THOUSANDS of deaths per day during the real peak of the season, Jan-Feb.

It's something we live with every single year. So yeah, we've "been in this country before." We are every year.

People like you scare the hell out of the rest of us.

This nonchalance and disregard for reality in favor of ideology is bad enough under normal circumstances, but in a public health crisis, it beyond irresoponsible.

I hope people shun you in public. They’d be a lot safer.

I’ve had the flu many times.

I have also had pneumonia, as an adult. I spent six weeks on my back, and almost died.

I have no illusions about how bad this can be, or what my community hospitals would be like when there are 500 people with pneumonia induces by Coronavirus in them.

You’re whistling past the graveyard. I hope you come through safe.

But for the sake of God, stop this belligerent, irresponsible nonsense.
 
There is no clear division between how much of the country we should allow to be destroyed to try to keep the deaths down and how much we should not let be destroyed. Should we shelter in place for a year? For six months? For a month? Science cannot answer that question. Men, using their best judgments and guesses, must try to reach the perfect balance.

We're buying time, trying to give labs all around the world time to come up with treatment and vaccine and trying to not overwhelm the health care systems in the meantime.
It's pretty simple. If you can't get with the program and pull together on something like this you just can't be counted on for anything.
At least try to stay out of the way.
 
The hoax master trolls are out in force.

We have identified two such in the family business, and are now training their replacements.

I suggest all of you who can run them out of public and private employment to do so: they would destroy our country if they could.

Destroying someone's livelihood simply because they disagree?

Hand out the pitchforks and torches!
 
Destroying someone's livelihood simply because they disagree? Hand out the pitchforks and torches!

They are threatening everyone else, and I have finally decided to fight the Trumpers with their own weapons.
 
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