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[W:386]The President Is Trapped

Linc said:
Calling out a post by name, nota bene. trump would call you a ‘cutie pie’, maybe ‘that woman’. Keep defending the indefensible, like not having any Democrats at the signing of the bill.

Like posters saying we want more deaths; that we want this to get worse; while we work at hospitals. Keep telling posters they can’t criticize the indefensible from trump, beginning with his lies.
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I partially agree with you-not having any dems there was petty BS
 
nota bene said:
If you think that stating a fact--that Trump is the President and will continue to be until at least January, which is what I said verbatim--is "rubbing people's faces in it," you're the one with the issue, She-Wolf.
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I believe she was speaking of Trumpist's "Royal" Treatment of the man. It's like he can do no wrong and it's off-putting.
 
nota bene said:
Oh, add a third thing: We know that every day and in every way fault will be found with Trump and his handling of this crisis, fair or not.
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Fair. Really, really, REALLY fair.

Today's example:

"Under Intense Criticism, Trump Says Government Will Buy More Ventilators"

WASHINGTON — Faced with a torrent of criticism from cities and states that have been pleading for help to deal with the most critically ill coronavirus victims, President Trump announced on Friday that the federal government would buy thousands of ventilators from a variety of makers, though it appeared doubtful they could be produced in time to help hospitals that are now overwhelmed.

His announcement came shortly after authorizing the government to “use any and all authority available under the Defense Production Act,” a Korean War-era authority allowing the federal government to commandeer General Motors’ factories and supply chains, to produce ventilators.

It was the latest example of Mr. Trump’s mixed messages about how to ramp up production to meet a national crisis. Just 24 hours before, he had dismissed the complaints of mayors and governors who said that they were getting little of the equipment they needed for an expected onslaught of serious cases. And this week he praised companies that — General Motors included — were rallying to help provide necessary equipment.

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Company executives seemed stunned by the president’s effort to command them to carry through with an effort they had initiated.​

Why was that so hard? Why is he doing it now and not two weeks, or even better, a month ago? Did he not believe the experts jumping up and down demanding exactly this? Was he more afraid of "spooking the markets" than saving lives? What is his problem?????
 
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Linc said:
Calling out a post by name, nota bene. trump would call you a ‘cutie pie’, maybe ‘that woman’. Keep defending the indefensible, like not having any Democrats at the signing of the bill.
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Ah, yes. Stating a fact is "indefensible." Too bad you're another person who mistakenly thinks that not participating in daily two-minute hates is somehow a defense of Trump. It's not. I don't think much of Trump. But I think even less of poor sports, sore losers, whiners and titty-babies and their stupid attacks on him.
 
nota bene said:
I haven't really listened. I hear bits and pieces when I walk past the TV but have no idea what Trump has said on Hannity. I do understand, though, that with this virus, there isn't even a 24-hour news cycle. More like a 24-minute one.
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I am not talking about Hannity, I am talking about his overall comments. Do you not keep yourself informed enough to know why some have issues with his statements?
 
nota bene said:
If you think that stating a fact--that Trump is the President and will continue to be until at least January, which is what I said verbatim--is "rubbing people's faces in it," you're the one with the issue, She-Wolf.
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Why point out facts? I am not denying reality. Also, he does have a bad tan and his hair is ridiculous. Can’t a person say that without being accused of hating him?
 
Crosscheck said:
Shut up. Just shut up. How is this talk from the president suppose to be helpful?

Crying out loud. Medical experts do know what it is.

Just go play your silly game of golf.
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I really don’t want to say this, but this is a terribly pathetic post. Who the hell are you to tell any poster to shut up, especially when everything they said was true. trump’s a joke, and he thinks this is a joke. He’s blackmailing states like mine because my governor is begging for desperately needed medical supplies.

You know all the rest but want to give him a pass to ‘come together’ like trump having Zero Democrats at the signing. It’s good to hear you support silencing any discussion of trump’s blatant lies, insane double-speak, garbled word salad, and pathetic blaming.
 
marke said:
Baloney. The two old white guys wanting to replace Trump don't have the remaining mental or physical power combined to do half of what Trump is doing for this nation.
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What Trump is doing for the nation? Here's what he's doing for the nation:

Officials in more than 200 American cities, large and small, report a dire need for face masks, ventilators and other emergency equipment to respond to the coronavirus outbreak, according to a survey released on Friday.

“It is abundantly clear that the shortage of essential items such as face masks, test kits, personal protective equipment, ventilators and other items needed by health and safety personnel has reached crisis proportions in cities across the country,” Tom Cochran, the chief executive of the United States Conference of Mayors, said in a letter accompanying the survey’s findings.

More than 90 percent — or 192 cities — told the conference that they did not have an adequate supply of face masks for police officers, firefighters or emergency workers. In addition, 92 percent of cities reported a shortage of test kits to diagnose who has contracted the virus — a problem Mr. Trump has said in recent days was all but solved — and 85 percent said they did not have a sufficient supply of ventilators available to health facilities.

Mr. Trump responded late Friday afternoon that “we have done a hell of a job” and wanted mayors and governors to “be appreciative.” He accused his critics of seeking political advantage.

“I don’t believe you need 40,000 or 30,000 ventilators,” Mr. Trump said Thursday night, discussing an urgent request from Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo of New York. “You know, you’re going to major hospitals sometimes, they’ll have two ventilators. And now, all of a sudden, they’re saying, can we order 30,000 ventilators?”​

One day later he flip-flops and accuses GM of not manufacturing enough ventilators. How can anyone demonstrate less competence? The mind boggles.
 
SheWolf said:
I am not talking about Hannity, I am talking about his overall comments. Do you not keep yourself informed enough to know why some have issues with his statements?
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If you think you can be civil, please give it a try. For now, I'll simply agree with your insulting insinuation. I am dreadfully uninformed.

But you're being dishonest here. You did explicitly ask me about Hannity in Post 202. This was my answer: https://www.debatepolitics.com/covi...1460-president-trapped-25.html#post1071578648

I am doing my very best, despite participating here at DM, NOT to pay attention any more than necessary to the wall-to-wall news coverage of this virus.
 
SheWolf said:
Why point out facts? I am not denying reality. Also, he does have a bad tan and his hair is ridiculous. Can’t a person say that without being accused of hating him?
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You're seriously asking me "Why point out facts?"? No, you're just trying to shift the goalposts here. You say that my stating that Trump is the President until at least January is "rubbing people's noses in it," and you want to discuss "reality"?
 
Trump's staggering incompetence, Part Deux:

Because Mr. Trump played down the severity of the coronavirus for much of January and February, and into the beginning of March, the White House got a late start in assessing how much equipment would be needed. [US intelligence reports from January and February warned of a likely pandemic.]

His son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, began focusing on the shortages only two weeks ago, and started with the critical absence of test kits, which has made it impossible to map how far the virus has spread or to identify emerging hot spots.

Then Mr. Kushner focused on the medical equipment shortages, working with the National Association of Manufacturers, the Business Roundtable and groups of former and current executives who gathered under the hashtag #StopTheSpread. Some of those executives now say they are operating on their own and no longer coordinating with the White House because they could not get clear signals about what the government wanted, or when.​

:stooges
 
nota bene said:
You're seriously asking me "Why point out facts?"? No, you're just trying to shift the goalposts here. You say that my stating that Trump is the President until at least January is "rubbing people's noses in it," and you want to discuss "reality"?
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That’s how it came across. Why else point out such a fact? If you’re saying a person hates Trump, then point out he is president... what is the point of that? People are complaining about him because he is president. If he were just on reality TV, things would be different.
 
jpn said:
Trump's staggering incompetence, Part Deux:

Because Mr. Trump played down the severity of the coronavirus for much of January and February, and into the beginning of March, the White House got a late start in assessing how much equipment would be needed. [US intelligence reports from January and February warned of a likely pandemic.]

His son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, began focusing on the shortages only two weeks ago, and started with the critical absence of test kits, which has made it impossible to map how far the virus has spread or to identify emerging hot spots.

Then Mr. Kushner focused on the medical equipment shortages, working with the National Association of Manufacturers, the Business Roundtable and groups of former and current executives who gathered under the hashtag #StopTheSpread. Some of those executives now say they are operating on their own and no longer coordinating with the White House because they could not get clear signals about what the government wanted, or when.​

:stooges
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What makes Kushner think he has the expertise to do all of that? It has been a failure. He should be humble and honest in admitting he doesn’t have the background in coordinating such efforts
 
nota bene said:
Oh, add a third thing: We know that every day and in every way fault will be found with Trump and his handling of this crisis, fair or not.

But I say keep scouring. Hearing and reading every single day how awful the current Admin is will surely enhance national morale, and that's what we all want, right? A super-positive outlook that increases confidence rather than fear and hopelessness, correct?
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As a health care professional....my biggest issue has been more of a general issue with the crisis not a specific one.

One of the first best things you can do in a crisis is to give a unified clear and consistent message. It is important for the experts and the politicians to get together and give a clear and accurate message.

I think the disconnect between the messaging has lead to a lot turmoil.

When there is no cohesive message from the beginning, that naturally will foster distrust.
 
nota bene said:
Ah, yes. Stating a fact is "indefensible." Too bad you're another person who mistakenly thinks that not participating in daily two-minute hates is somehow a defense of Trump. It's not. I don't think much of Trump. But I think even less of poor sports, sore losers, whiners and titty-babies and their stupid attacks on him.
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I see you didn’t respond to what I said about posters on ‘your side’ of the aisle claiming that we want more deaths, more cases, while we put our lives on the line at hospitals. I’ll add that we’re accused of wanting this to get worse so that he can’t be re-elected. You didn’t respond to what I said yesterday about posters threatening other posters and those in real life.

Your calling people trump-style names in veiled terms shows how pathetic and delusional your posting has become. You hold trump to NO standards. You give him one mulligan after another when it comes to his family values. You don’t watch trump live because you’d cringe at his lies, double-talk, hand-waving, blaming, man baby criticizing and taking no responsibility.
 
Lutherf said:
The people that hate Trump put all their hope in government under Obama and never imagined a day when he would no longer be in office. They have no desire to fend for themselves and find the suggestion that they might be required to do so an assault on their "freedom".
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Seriously?

Do you have a ventilator in your garage?

A global pandemic is the kind of problem that the private market is ill-equipped to solve. It's at times like these that a government can perform useful functions for the benefit of the country as a whole.
 
nota bene said:
Oh, add a third thing: We know that every day and in every way fault will be found with Trump and his handling of this crisis, fair or not.

But I say keep scouring. Hearing and reading every single day how awful the current Admin is will surely enhance national morale, and that's what we all want, right? A super-positive outlook that increases confidence rather than fear and hopelessness, correct?
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I don't think it's wise to keep pretending that Trump isn't an idiot, isn't in over his head, and isn't the most incompetent President we've ever had. I think more people will die if we are not honest about Trump's incompetence.
 
nota bene said:
I'd say that ALL Americans are part of the "we," not just the "thinking" ones.
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I'm amused that you didn't understand the context. But, I will gladly welcome you to the we - who understand that Trump's behavior in this crisis has not been helpful to the American people.
 
SheWolf said:
What makes Kushner think he has the expertise to do all of that? It has been a failure. He should be humble and honest in admitting he doesn’t have the background in coordinating such efforts
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It sure seems that being born into staggering riches and being humble just don't go together very often.

As for honesty, his background as a slumlord doesn't say much for his personal integrity.
 
Linc said:
I see you didn’t respond to what I said about posters on ‘your side’ of the aisle claiming that we want more deaths, more cases, while we put our lives on the line at hospitals. I’ll add that we’re accused of wanting this to get worse so that he can’t be re-elected. You didn’t respond to what I said yesterday about posters threatening other posters and those in real life.

Your calling people trump-style names in veiled terms shows how pathetic and delusional your posting has become. You hold trump to NO standards. You give him one mulligan after another when it comes to his family values. You don’t watch trump live because you’d cringe at his lies, double-talk, hand-waving, blaming, man baby criticizing and taking no responsibility.
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I came to the same conclusion. It is really irresponsible, and contrary to the concept of a discussion board, to keep oneself ignorant of current events and then complain about those who are actually informed. One might even call it hypocritical.
 
jpn said:
Trump's staggering incompetence, Part Deux:

Because Mr. Trump played down the severity of the coronavirus for much of January and February, and into the beginning of March, the White House got a late start in assessing how much equipment would be needed.​
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Feb 28: "We did one of the great jobs... we did something that's been pretty amazing... the fact that we won early. We won early."​
 
nota bene said:
Oh, nothing at all. Unless it's horrible, and then whatever it is, including Darwin Award nominees consuming fish tank cleaners, it's definitely his fault. Chickens didn't lay today? Trump's fault. Thirteen people dying in one day in one NYC hospital? Trump's fault. When you get right down to it, Trump is personally responsible for the spread of the virus worldwide.

And probably into outer space. There is nothing Trump can't despoil.
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This is a strawman argument addressed to the clouds.
 
SheWolf said:
People are complaining about him because he is president. If he were just on reality TV, things would be different.
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Oh for those halcyon days... AS President, it is not only appropriate, but our duty as citizens, to criticize when those criticisms are factually based, and relevant to his performance in his office. I do have a problem when someone bases their defense on being deliberately, and apparently proudly, ignorant of the bases for the criticism. Indeed, if one were properly informed of the circumstances, one would know that the only reason that actions have been taken at all by this person (as President) is because his hand has been forced by continuous and public criticism of his inaction.
 
trixare4kids said:
Precisely..."Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes"
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I think we have enough objective information about Trump to make a judgment about him, his character, and predict his future behavior.
 
nota bene said:
Oh, nothing at all. Unless it's horrible, and then whatever it is, including Darwin Award nominees consuming fish tank cleaners, it's definitely his fault. Chickens didn't lay today? Trump's fault. Thirteen people dying in one day in one NYC hospital? Trump's fault. When you get right down to it, Trump is personally responsible for the spread of the virus worldwide.

And probably into outer space. There is nothing Trump can't despoil.
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That sounds like a teenage girl defending her boyfriend. Trump is a politician. Not your favorite singer or quarterback. A politician. A replaceable part in the system.
 
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