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[W:386]The President Is Trapped

trixare4kids said:
I used to post on another forum. You should have heard me rant about Trump but during the last couple of weeks of his campaign, I began to see we were basically stuck between a rock, and an extremely entitled wife of a former president call half his base, a basket of irredeemable deplorables and a braggadocios overly self-assured tv reality star campaign on policies I've supported for years. Never thought he'd get elected, and shocked when he did, but IMO, and though I couldn't bring myself to vote for him before, ... he's earned my vote for 2020.

If it ain't broken, why fix it?
Biden is incompetent due to his senility.
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Many of us felt much the same.

The man himself hasn't become the horror some told us he was going to be.

Instead, he has drawn liberals up from the bowels of hell and exposed THEM for what they ARE - Hateful, dishonest, immoral, gross pigs who want to destroy our country.
 
veritas1 said:
Don't confuse the children with facts. It only leads to tantrums.:mrgreen:
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I see they're doing that as we type... It's easy to live rent free in their heads. I love getting something for nothing. ;)
 
SheWolf said:
I am concerned about the morale of healthcare workers and their lack of safety equipment and ventilators. When Trump goes on Sean Hannity and accuses governors of lying about how many ventilators they need then that’s a problem. Don’t even try to pretend like Trump is a perfect angel and has an amazing attitude, because he doesn’t.
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Thanks, I am concerned about the same things as you are, and more. I can't understand how some people can defend a president who takes things so lightly and shows no effort to understand the situation. Someone who constantly gives misinformation to the people of our country who are being severely affected by COVID-19. Someone who dismisses the advice of the professionals, and insults our governors who are working so hard to deal with this pandemic....none of this makes sense to me. All I can think of is they all believe this coronavirus is a hoax and fake news, and they all truly do disregard the hard facts of what is going on in our country. That they literally believe all the nonsense that comes out of this character's mouth.

Sad state of affairs with an incompetent and selfish president in charge, and blind loyal followers making up excuses for him every single day, excuses that make no sense whatsoever. Their priority is to defend him over their country and fellow man. :(
 
ObamacareFail said:
Where it counts, Trump was right. If Trump had not stopped travel to the US from China, we would now be dealing with a much bigger problem. Same goes with getting control of our southern borders.
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Bok_Tukalo said:
He did not stop travel to the US from China.


Those Jan 31st travel restrictions are carrying a heavy load for Trump's defenders on the issue of his handling of the pandemic.
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trixare4kids said:
Um, no, sorry...

His China travel policy "prohibited non-U.S. citizens, other than the immediate family of U.S. citizens and permanent residents, who have traveled to China within the last two weeks from entering the U.S."

Btw, Dr. Anthony Fauci commended him for this bold move.

The Facts on Trump's Travel Restrictions - FactCheck.org
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Which is not a stop on travel to the US from China.

I get that the travel restrictions put in place on January 31st are the centerpiece, the lodestone, of the defense of Trump's handling of the pandemic once it was clear that it's not "going to disappear. One day it's like a miracle ..." But they were not a ban on travel to the US from China.
 
captaintrips said:
Many of us felt much the same.

The man himself hasn't become the horror some told us he was going to be.

Instead, he has drawn liberals up from the bowels of hell and exposed THEM for what they ARE - Hateful, dishonest, immoral, gross pigs who want to destroy our country.
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I would be lying if I said I didn't enjoy the above; bolded, but those people are not liberals. They are mostly loony left extremists of the worst kind, childishly envious of the current administration's power.
 
NWRatCon said:
Moot! My friend, you've violated the rules. You are not allowed to reference historical facts if they contradict the fantasy of the cult.
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I know, that's why I like to do it. :)
 
NWRatCon said:
Identify what is unfair and you might have some credibility. Otherwise, this post just identifies membership in the cult.
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Are there dues to belong to the cult?
You seem to know all about it... Asking for a friend of a friend of a friend. :mrgreen:
 
Moot said:
Funny how Trump called the virus a hoax.
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False, he was referring to the criticism of those who reflexively (and generally dishonestly and irrationally) criticize him for everything.

Moot said:
Funny how Trump refuses to help the hospitals screaming for federal help.
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Um, hospitals are getting plenty of help. But anyone who is "screaming" for help is already acting rather irrationally and is probably "screaming" for highly unrealistic levels of support to begin with given that there is simply NOT going to be enough to go around.

Moot said:
Funny how Trump only helps Governors that bend over and kiss his ring.
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FALSE, hospital ship, FEMA emergency hospitals, Army Corp of engineers support...all being provided to New York, whose governor has not exactly been kissing Trump's ass.

Moot said:
Funny how Trump pretends to be a doctor and prescribes drugs on TV and Twitter.
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FALSE, he has said (while ACKNOWLEDGING) that others are not there yet, that he believes various treatments will show great promise (in fact some of those vary drugs, democratic governors are issuing emergency orders to authorize the use of).

Moot said:
Funny how Trump tells real doctors on the front line that they don't need that many ventilators because they cost too much.
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You mean the ones who are "screaming"? Show me the quote where he actually said any such thing?

Moot said:
Funny how Trump refuses to use the Defense Production Act.
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Is there any evidence that manufacturers are not voluntarily producing and supplying as much as is feasible?


Moot said:
Funny how Trump keeps getting contradicted by Dr. Fausi on the seriousness of the virus.
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Actually Trump is doing what a LEADER should be doing, evaluating the cost and impact of the response against the actual threat. And before you get on your high horse about putting money and other modern conveniences ahead of human life, there is not a person in this country who doesn't do so on a daily basis, and if you don't believe so, I will be forced to prove it and you may not have the emotional capacity for that level of self-awareness.

Moot said:
Funny how Trump refused to get tested and still went out shaking hands.
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So what? We actually should NOT be treating people who are asymptomatic, it is a stupid waste of resources. And as for shaking people's hands, it takes two (in case you don't understand the logistics of a handshake).

Moot said:
Funny how Trump wants people to go back to work at the peak of the virus outbreak when all the experts are telling people to stay home.
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FALSE, not "all the experts" are telling people to stay home. Again, some people who are arguably over estimating the actual potential risk of this virus, who have no expertise in assessing the societal cost of what they claim is "necessary" to "flatten the curve" are no more qualified to assess those tradeoffs than anyone else (less so in fact). Trump (as a leader should) is listening to experts in a broad swath of areas required to assess the cost/benefit of the various courses of action being put forward

Moot said:
Funny how Trump first praised China handling of the coronavirus and then trolled them calling it the "China virus".
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Funny how idiots who criticize the President for making the perfectly factual statement that this is a virus from China were criticizing him back in January for travel restrictions, and are now useful idiots for the Chinese propaganda machine believing today's numbers saying the U.S. now has more cases than China (what idiot believes the numbers out of China at this point?).

BTW, I prefer "Kung Flu" to Huwan Flu or China/Chinese Flu.
 
trixare4kids said:
Are there dues to belong to the cult?
You seem to know all about it... Asking for a friend of a friend of a friend. :mrgreen:
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Did you not pay yours? You may get dinged for that.
 
trixare4kids said:
Um, no, sorry...

His China travel policy "prohibited non-U.S. citizens, other than the immediate family of U.S. citizens and permanent residents, who have traveled to China within the last two weeks from entering the U.S."

Btw, Dr. Anthony Fauci commended him for this bold move.

The Facts on Trump's Travel Restrictions - FactCheck.org
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From your link...

"...“Prior to the US travel restrictions, China began suspending outbound flights,” Nuzzo said. “Airlines also began canceling flights due to low travel volume. Then, the US implemented travel restrictions, which further reduced travel from China. The exception was Americans who were returning home from China. These folks were subject to quarantine upon return. A number of cases were found among these individuals. If you only test travelers from China and you greatly reduce the number of travelers coming from China, then you would be likely to not find many cases.

“But it doesn’t mean the virus hadn’t entered the US prior to travel restrictions,” Nuzzo said, as data now suggests occurred in Washington state.

Also, she said other countries, including Japan, Singapore and Korea, had a significant number of coronavirus cases, but they weren’t subject to travel restrictions. The U.S. “would likely not have picked it up” if travelers coming to the U.S. from those countries “because we weren’t using these other countries as criteria for testing.” ..."​


China and the airlines had stopped most travel to and from China before Trump had even said a word about it. IOW, he's taking credit for something he didn't really do...again.
 
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Moot said:
Funny how Trump cares more about the economy than saving human lives.
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Why don't you support taking all of these precautions during the annual flu season in order to save the 40-80 thousand lives a year we lose to that illness? Is someone dying of COVID-19 (aka Kung Flu) somehow more tragic or avoidable than the flu? So let's not be obtuse and pretend that every single person alive places some price on the lives of others (it's why there is no broad national support for a 5 MPH speed limits to save close to 40,000 lives a year from traffic accidents). The only debate between honest and rational people is haggling over the price.

Moot said:
Funny how Trump gives a press conference everyday now that he can't hold rallies...when for three years he hardly held any press conferences at all.
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Gee, what is Cuomo's excuse? And Cuomo actually spends far more time each day talking for the camera's than Trump. And while rarely holding formal press conferences, Trump actually takes media questions fairly often...and has arguably been more accessible to the media than his predecessor, despite the demonstrably disparate treatment of the two by the media:

Is Trump more media-accessible than Obama? - POLITICO
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...nt-trump-is-extremely-accessible/?arc404=true


Moot said:
Funny how Trump attacks the press and makes this crisis about himself.
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Really? Do I really need to barrage you with article after article, TV spot, etc. of the WH press corp specifically and the broader "news" media in general framing this about how Trump is doing rather than how the country is doing?

Moot said:
Funny how Trump never takes personal responsibility and blames everyone else.
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Yeah, funny how politicians do that. Like Hillary blaming everyone but the out of touch, dishonest, corrupt, fool who ran her campaign (whose initials are HRC) for her loss.
 
trixare4kids said:
Well, at least we know for certain, the above is what the anti-Trump grumps are hoping for.
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No need to 'hope' he fails - he's already botched the response. No need to 'hope' the virus gets worse: it's already a reality.

It's very easy to deflect, blame the messenger, claim that those oppose Trump 'want' him to fail. But he is already failing it's a reality.

There may be a certain satisfaction in having one's bias confirmed in it, but it's going to happen anyway. People's 'hopes' will neither alleviate or exacerbate that.
 
Marcus1124 said:
False, he was referring to the criticism of those who reflexively (and generally dishonestly and irrationally) criticize him for everything.



Um, hospitals are getting plenty of help. But anyone who is "screaming" for help is already acting rather irrationally and is probably "screaming" for highly unrealistic levels of support to begin with given that there is simply NOT going to be enough to go around.



FALSE, hospital ship, FEMA emergency hospitals, Army Corp of engineers support...all being provided to New York, whose governor has not exactly been kissing Trump's ass.



FALSE, he has said (while ACKNOWLEDGING) that others are not there yet, that he believes various treatments will show great promise (in fact some of those vary drugs, democratic governors are issuing emergency orders to authorize the use of).



You mean the ones who are "screaming"? Show me the quote where he actually said any such thing?



Is there any evidence that manufacturers are not voluntarily producing and supplying as much as is feasible?




Actually Trump is doing what a LEADER should be doing, evaluating the cost and impact of the response against the actual threat. And before you get on your high horse about putting money and other modern conveniences ahead of human life, there is not a person in this country who doesn't do so on a daily basis, and if you don't believe so, I will be forced to prove it and you may not have the emotional capacity for that level of self-awareness.



So what? We actually should NOT be treating people who are asymptomatic, it is a stupid waste of resources. And as for shaking people's hands, it takes two (in case you don't understand the logistics of a handshake).



FALSE, not "all the experts" are telling people to stay home. Again, some people who are arguably over estimating the actual potential risk of this virus, who have no expertise in assessing the societal cost of what they claim is "necessary" to "flatten the curve" are no more qualified to assess those tradeoffs than anyone else (less so in fact). Trump (as a leader should) is listening to experts in a broad swath of areas required to assess the cost/benefit of the various courses of action being put forward



Funny how idiots who criticize the President for making the perfectly factual statement that this is a virus from China were criticizing him back in January for travel restrictions, and are now useful idiots for the Chinese propaganda machine believing today's numbers saying the U.S. now has more cases than China (what idiot believes the numbers out of China at this point?).

BTW, I prefer "Kung Flu" to Huwan Flu or China/Chinese Flu.
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Anal retention and rubbish is strong with this one. ^^^
 
Old 'N Chill said:
Thanks, I am concerned about the same things as you are, and more. I can't understand how some people can defend a president who takes things so lightly and shows no effort to understand the situation. Someone who constantly gives misinformation to the people of our country who are being severely affected by COVID-19. Someone who dismisses the advice of the professionals, and insults our governors who are working so hard to deal with this pandemic....none of this makes sense to me. All I can think of is they all believe this coronavirus is a hoax and fake news, and they all truly do disregard the hard facts of what is going on in our country. That they literally believe all the nonsense that comes out of this character's mouth.

Sad state of affairs with an incompetent and selfish president in charge, and blind loyal followers making up excuses for him every single day, excuses that make no sense whatsoever. Their priority is to defend him over their country and fellow man. :(
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Is there anything the president has done that you will accept?
I've read your Trump can-do-nothing right screeds before... Is this just another one, another day?
 
nota bene said:
Oh, add a third thing: We know that every day and in every way fault will be found with Trump and his handling of this crisis, fair or not.

But I say keep scouring. Hearing and reading every single day how awful the current Admin is will surely enhance national morale, and that's what we all want, right? A super-positive outlook that increases confidence rather than fear and hopelessness, correct?
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Four years of "suck it up, you lost, liberal tears, screaming at the sky, TDS, pwned" and other sore-winner refrains and now everyone has to 'pull together'... under Trump?

We're still watching him botch this in real-time.
 
nota bene said:
Find even one post in which I have "kissed up." Just one. And in case this proves impossible, which it will, find even one in which I have praised him. Just one.

What I object to is the irrational hatred of the man. I don't think he's likeable, and I was horrified when he won the nomination. But those who hate him are unwilling, even grudgingly, to credit him for anything. Ever. And that's what I'm sick of.

Okay, and I'm also sick of the daily two-minute hate threads and crap like calling him "twump." It's just so infantile.

And that's right--I never called former President Obama a derogatory name or Hillary Clinton either. That's where I'm coming from. Too bad that those who are hyper-partisan themselves project that onto others. When you are unwilling to give Trump (or any other President, for that matter) credit for anything, YOU are in the wrong.
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The very one i responded to. Game set match :D. The president acts like a goddamn child on a daily basis so you know what? If der trumpengroper doesnt have enough ****ing sense to respect his position then i wont show him one iota of respect nor consideration as a human being. I dont owe twump credit, he has to earn it and recognizing that twump has done zilch to earn the respect of others is not partisan. Cry more
 
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Lutherf said:
Either Hillary of Jeb would have been a an Obama equivalent. Kasich would have been an Obama equivalent. You may have heard some of us use the term "establishment government". That term refers to a member of the permanent political class who is generally considered to be a safe bet to continue the status quo and seek, in nearly every action, to expand the role of the federal government.
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And that still wouldn't be as bad as a bumbling, inept, corrupt, nepotistic grifter at the helm. Yes, people were fed up with the status quo and went anti-establishment. But they screwed up and chose someone even worse - an outsider yes, but someone only in it for himself and incapable of leading.
 
uptower said:
No need to 'hope' he fails - he's already botched the response. No need to 'hope' the virus gets worse: it's already a reality.

It's very easy to deflect, blame the messenger, claim that those oppose Trump 'want' him to fail. But he is already failing it's a reality.

There may be a certain satisfaction in having one's bias confirmed in it, but it's going to happen anyway. People's 'hopes' will neither alleviate or exacerbate that.
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You know what they say about opinions? They aren't facts, or any semblance of the universal truth.

Here's reality. According to very recent Gallup Poll, 60% of Americans approve of Trump's handling of this crisis.
You know what's even more telling? 25% of Democrats agree as well as a great number of Independents with the way the president has been handling the crisis.
 
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Ikari said:
Blind and absolute obedience.

lol
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Trump cultist, Trump cult, the most over-used, unimaginative, partisan, pejorative ever.
 
NWRatCon said:
You forgot "accurate". ;)
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No, I didn't forget anything.

Sometimes when I write, I forget to spell or punctuate correctly but despite that, I can write my own posts without your unsolicited help.
 
trixare4kids said:
I would be lying if I said I didn't enjoy the above; bolded, but those people are not liberals. They are mostly loony left extremists of the worst kind, childishly envious of the current administration's power.
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Not if you're talking the old version of say, blue dog democrats. In ways , I'm somewhat in that category, in ways I'm not. But moreso than what has become of a lot of them today.

But I think you make a good point. Most liberals aren't off the moon nuts, just the ones that are the loudest and get the most attention .. today.

The sanders stuff has to be rejected for the hateful, communist crap that it is - and there's a lot of loud-mouthed idiots that fall in that category.

Regular democrats, maybe they'll be able to vote for a democrat, if & when they get some that aren't nut-cases like sanders, biden, waters, pelosi etc.
 
Moot said:
Anal retention and rubbish is strong with this one. ^^^
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Funny how you post your litany of falsehoods but can't seem to respond to any sort of substantive challenge. The inability to respond to factual statements, rather than resorting to ad hominem attacks, speaks for itself (I am actually rather ashamed of myself for not predicting such a typically immature and empty response in the first place). QED
 
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