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Hydroxychloroquine and Chloroquine for Thousands in New York

bubbabgone said:
We can be certain of one thing ... their reality doesn't involve reading & understanding the links they comment on.
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Please... expand upon that.

You seem confused about garlic and COVID and the scientific evidence that garlic repels vampires.
 
Threegoofs said:
Please... expand upon that.

You seem confused about garlic and COVID and the scientific evidence that garlic repels vampires.
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I remember that just abput a month ago you were dismissing observational studies. Your devotion to science changes with your preferred outcome. I'd go look your posts up and repeat them for you, but it's not worth th effort. You'll just do a Haymarket thing.
 
humbolt said:
I remember that just abput a month ago you were dismissing observational studies. Your devotion to science changes with your preferred outcome. I'd go look your posts up and repeat them for you, but it's not worth th effort. You'll just do a Haymarket thing.
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Really? Other people were whining about a month ago because I started a thread about an observational study.

Observational studies on their own are NOT that useful. When incorporated in with learning from RCTs, they can be quite useful to confirm that a therapy works (or doesn’t) outside the strict parameters of a clinical trial.

This observational trial comes on the heels of three large scale RCTs that show no effect early or late. Even with those trials, the door doesn’t close, but observational studies like this move it a little closer to it.
 
Sandokan said:
This seminal part 2 article about the use of the drug hydroxychloroquine with azithromycin and zinc to treat patients with coronavirus early, has spectacular results on saving lives in countries using the drug []Page not found | America Out Loud. More than 6, 000 doctors worldwide found that the drug hydroxychloroquine was the most effective therapy for treatment of coronavirus. []Error | 404
- Washington Times The evidence is becoming increasingly strong that the hydroxychloroquine treatment is highly effective for the treatment of coronavirus. All that matter is that this medication will saved many lives.
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Dr. Harvey Rish Yale professor of epidemiology in the article published in the American Journal of Epidemiology, 27 May 2020, says: “I conclude that HCQ+AZ and HCQ+doxycycline, preferably with zinc (47) can be this outpatient treatment, at least until we find or add something better,… It is our obligation not to stand by, just “carefully watching,” as the old and infirm and inner city of us are killed by this disease and our economy is destroyed by it and we have nothing to offer except high-mortality hospital treatment…These medications need to be widely available and promoted immediately for physicians to prescribe.”
 
Sandokan said:
Dr. Harvey Rish Yale professor of epidemiology in the article published in the American Journal of Epidemiology, 27 May 2020, says: “I conclude that HCQ+AZ and HCQ+doxycycline, preferably with zinc (47) can be this outpatient treatment, at least until we find or add something better,… It is our obligation not to stand by, just “carefully watching,” as the old and infirm and inner city of us are killed by this disease and our economy is destroyed by it and we have nothing to offer except high-mortality hospital treatment…These medications need to be widely available and promoted immediately for physicians to prescribe.”
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Boy.

He must be embarrassed.
 
Threegoofs said:
Is there a Jack Hays thread on the value of leeches in COVID? Link me up so I can participate!
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Merely highlighting the silliness of tossing millions of dollars in research money down rat holes labelled "Things that we haven't yet proved don't work but for which there doesn't appear to be any actual evidence that they do work".
 
Parrish said:
And in the real world, the government is trying to return the million+ pills they bought back to the manufacturer. That's proof it wasn't what POTUS hyped up to be.
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If I were the manufacturer, I'd be telling the government "Well, yes, we did say 'Your money cheerfully refunded if not satisfactory.', but we are totally satisfied with your money, so we're not going to return it.".
 
Jack Hays said:
Actually, no. The sites I have posted have spanned the full range of perspectives.
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For most of those sites, you have spelled "spanned" incorrectly. Admittedly, if you are in a rush "nn" does sort of look like "m".
 
Threegoofs said:
Boy.

He must be embarrassed.
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Doesn't seem to be.

Yale Epidemiologist: Hydroxychloroquine Should be Used as ...

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Jun 1, 2020 - Harvey Risch, an epidemiologist at Yale, disputes that hydroxychloroquine should be "widely available and promoted for prescription by ...

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Correspondence to Dr. Harvey A. Risch, Department of Chronic Disease ... than 50 manufacturers of hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin and doxycycline.
 
Threegoofs said:
Please... expand upon that.

You seem confused about garlic and COVID and the scientific evidence that garlic repels vampires.
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It has been scientifically proven that Garlic[sup]®[/sup] is 100% effective in repelling Vampires. In over 2,000 years of rigorously controlled testing, there has not been a single case where a person with the appropriate dose (1 clove in each ear) of Garlic[sup]®[/sup] has been bitten by a Vampire.
 
Sandokan said:
Dr. Harvey Rish Yale professor of epidemiology in the article published in the American Journal of Epidemiology, 27 May 2020, says: “I conclude that HCQ+AZ and HCQ+doxycycline, preferably with zinc (47) can be this outpatient treatment, at least until we find or add something better,… It is our obligation not to stand by, just “carefully watching,” as the old and infirm and inner city of us are killed by this disease and our economy is destroyed by it and we have nothing to offer except high-mortality hospital treatment…These medications need to be widely available and promoted immediately for physicians to prescribe.”
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Did you know that BOTH "cupping" and "anointing the forehead with a paste made from ground frog entrails and beaver droppings" are as effective as HCQ+AZ and HCQ+doxycycline, preferably with zinc in preventing/curing COVID-19 is?
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Merely highlighting the silliness of tossing millions of dollars in research money down rat holes labelled "Things that we haven't yet proved don't work but for which there doesn't appear to be any actual evidence that they do work".
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Reminds me of cosmic rays....but that’s another topic..
 
Jack Hays said:
Doesn't seem to be.
Doesn't seem to be.

Yale Epidemiologist: Hydroxychloroquine Should be Used as ...

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Jun 1, 2020 - Harvey Risch, an epidemiologist at Yale, disputes that hydroxychloroquine should be "widely available and promoted for prescription by ...

Early Outpatient Treatment of Symptomatic, High-Risk Covid ...

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by HA Risch - ‎Cited by 1 - ‎Related articles
Correspondence to Dr. Harvey A. Risch, Department of Chronic Disease ... than 50 manufacturers of hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin and doxycycline.
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‘Irrational’ interference’: Doctors group sues FDA over timely access to hydroxychloroquine
‘Irrational’ interference’: Doctors group sues FDA over timely access to hydroxychloroquine – World Tribune: Window on the Real World

By World Tribune on June 15, 2020

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons has filed a lawsuit against the Department of Health and Human Services and the FDA for “irrational interference” by the FDA with timely access to hydroxychloroquine in the treatment of COVID-19.

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Hydroxychloroquine has been deemed the most highly rated treatment for the coronavirus in an international poll of more than 6,000 doctors.

The survey, conducted by global health care polling company Sermo, asked 6,227 physicians in 30 countries to find out what works against the virus. The poll found that 37 percent of those treating COVID-19 patients rated hydroxychloroquine as the “most effective therapy.” The physicians picked hydroxychloroquine from a list of 15 choices.

The Food and Drug Administration on Monday said it is ending its emergency use authorization for chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, the anti-malaria drugs backed by President Donald Trump to combat the coronavirus.

The FDA determined the drugs were “unlikely to be effective in treating COVID-19 for the authorized uses in the EUA.”

Related: War on hydroxychloroquine: Texas doctor describes ‘alarming’ barriers to treating patients, May 15, 2020

In announcing the lawsuit on June 14, Dr. Ned Nokolov tweeted: “Why is an effective & inexpensive drug treatment of #COVID19 being suppressed by FDA? There is one plausible answer: the successful treatment of COVID19 patients with hydroxychloroquine threatens the sale of billions of doses of a COVID19 vaccine to the World later on.”
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1. FDA interference restricting the use of hydroxychloroquine in the treatment of coronavirus has been politically motivated by bias personnel in the workforce of FDA. None withstanding the lawsuit and actual evidence of more than 6,000 physicians of the benefits of the drug, FDA ended its emergency use authorization for hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine drugs in the fight against coronavirus.
It has brushed aside the massive data proving the effective treatment of the drug in preventing hospitalization for the overwhelming majority of at-risk patients. The Agency has blood on its hands. As the saying goes “The one who kills the cow is as guilty as the one who holds it down.”
 
Sandokan said:
1. FDA interference restricting the use of hydroxychloroquine in the treatment of coronavirus has been politically motivated by bias personnel in the workforce of FDA. None withstanding the lawsuit and actual evidence of more than 6,000 physicians of the benefits of the drug, FDA ended its emergency use authorization for hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine drugs in the fight against coronavirus.
It has brushed aside the massive data proving the effective treatment of the drug in preventing hospitalization for the overwhelming majority of at-risk patients. The Agency has blood on its hands. As the saying goes “The one who kills the cow is as guilty as the one who holds it down.”
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That ‘doctors group’ is a bunch of wingnut idiots that act as a lobbying group more than anything else.

The data is in, and it’s clear. HCQ is useless in Covid.
 
Sandokan said:
1. FDA interference restricting the use of hydroxychloroquine in the treatment of coronavirus has been politically motivated by bias personnel in the workforce of FDA. None withstanding the lawsuit and actual evidence of more than 6,000 physicians of the benefits of the drug, FDA ended its emergency use authorization for hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine drugs in the fight against coronavirus.
It has brushed aside the massive data proving the effective treatment of the drug in preventing hospitalization for the overwhelming majority of at-risk patients. The Agency has blood on its hands. As the saying goes “The one who kills the cow is as guilty as the one who holds it down.”
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Possibly you might want to check the source of your "saying" because you have absolutely mangled it out of all meaning.

Of course, in comparison to some of your other posts, it IS a shining beacon of clarity and logic.
 
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1 day ago - The purpose of this study was to evaluate the role of hydroxychloroquine therapy alone and in combination with azithromycin in hospitalized ...

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An Observational Cohort Study of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin ... Open AccessPublished:July 02, 2020DOI:Error: DOI Not Found.ijid.2020.06.095 ... Their analysis suggested that hydroxychloroquine, with or without azithromycin, ...


 
Jack Hays said:
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1 day ago - The purpose of this study was to evaluate the role of hydroxychloroquine therapy alone and in combination with azithromycin in hospitalized ...

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An Observational Cohort Study of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin ... Open AccessPublished:July 02, 2020DOI:Error: DOI Not Found.ijid.2020.06.095 ... Their analysis suggested that hydroxychloroquine, with or without azithromycin, ...
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Since you’re incapable of competently interpreting it, I will.


Observational, non randomized, retrospective and uncontrolled.

Does not track with already completed randomized blinded controlled trials.

Biggest problem is the HCQ group were twice as likely to get steroids, which we know have a mortality benefit.

Hypotheses generating at best, and there are several randomized trials in this space to come.
 
Threegoofs said:
Since you’re incapable of competently interpreting it, I will.


Observational, non randomized, retrospective and uncontrolled.

Does not track with already completed randomized blinded controlled trials.

Biggest problem is the HCQ group were twice as likely to get steroids, which we know have a mortality benefit.

Hypotheses generating at best, and there are several randomized trials in this space to come.
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Yes, and . . . ? You've nicely captured what we all knew already.
 
Some might say this is the wrong point from the wrong guy, but there's nothing like tossing a Baby Ruth into the swimming pool.


Hypothesis: Restrictions on Hydroxychloroquine Contribute to the COVID-19 Cases Surge

Although Hydroxychloroquine remains an approved drug and doctors can still prescribe it off-label, the FDA’s and NIH’s opinions have significant influence. State governments and medical boards adhere to the FDA opinion, in their subsequent recommendations. Even when HCQ is not banned outright, such opinion creates a chilling effect on pharmacies, doctors, hospitals, and, especially insurance companies.
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Hydroxychloroquine lowers COVID-19 death rate, Henry Ford Health study finds
Sarah Rahal and Beth LeBlanc, The Detroit News Published 1:10 p.m. ET July 2, 2020 | Updated 6:42 p.m. ET July 2, 2020

A Henry Ford Health System study shows the controversial anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine helps lower the death rate of COVID-19 patients, the Detroit-based health system said Thursday.

Officials with the Michigan health system said the study found the drug “significantly” decreased the death rate of patients involved in the analysis.

The study analyzed 2,541 patients hospitalized among the system’s six hospitals between March 10 and May 2 and found 13% of those treated with hydroxychloroquine died while 26% of those who did not receive the drug died.

Among all patients in the study, there was an overall in-hospital mortality rate of 18%, and many who died had underlying conditions that put them at greater risk, according to Henry Ford Health System. Globally, the mortality rate for hospitalized patients is between 10% and 30%, and it's 58% among those in the intensive care unit or on a ventilator.
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There is a plethora of empirical evidence that this drug work. Even a few well publicized cases here in Michigan, where a now ostracized democrat State rep and a former UM football player both swore up and down that they were shaking hands with the Grim Reaper until they were given this drug.
 
Sandokan said:
There is a plethora of empirical evidence that this drug work. Even a few well publicized cases here in Michigan, where a now ostracized democrat State rep and a former UM football player both swore up and down that they were shaking hands with the Grim Reaper until they were given this drug.
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Man.

Trump just feeds on people like you.
 
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