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Hydroxychloroquine and Chloroquine for Thousands in New York

Luckyone said:
Hate does not prove "your" point. Mass hate proves that Trump is a piece of ****. People by nature are lovers and not haters and the fact so many people hate Trump is confirmation he is a hateable person.

Mass hate means the probabilities of hate being the correct emotion generated by the actions of the hated person are high.
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Well, it worked for the Third Reich for a while . . .
Is that your model?
 
Luckyone said:
Hate does not prove "your" point. Mass hate proves that Trump is a piece of ****. People by nature are lovers and not haters and the fact so many people hate Trump is confirmation he is a hateable person.

Mass hate means the probabilities of hate being the correct emotion generated by the actions of the hated person are high.
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How did you feel about the alleged massive hate directed at Obama? Per your standards I expect you to shout out, hey it was so cool.
 
jmotivator said:
You might not know this, but your ignorant hand waving still isn't a good argument.



Why don't you ask him? Oh right, he's just a doctor.



So we can establish your expertise, how many patients have you administered hydroxychloroquine to? What is your experience with treating COVID-19 patients?



Your ignorance is your presumption of what his treatment protocol of those patients are and that, because his results don't match your expectations, there is some magical mystery medication that is responsible tat he hasn't deduced... or, he's lying. :roll:

You know who is better suited to evaluate that protocol and what is and isn't effective? He is.
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Damn good questions. Do you expect on-point answers?
 
Luckyone said:
"I never saw Trump allege this is a miracle cure"

He came very close to calling it that. Here are 2 videos. This first one was 2 weeks ago and the second one from yesterday.





Check out this article regarding hydroxychloroquine that came out yesterday;

Fact-checking Trump’s optimistic hydroxychloroquine claims - STAT
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Don't you understand Trumps caveats?

His entire thesis is based on the drug he speaks of is already a drug proven to prevent Malaria. He says it might or might not work. And you did not hear him say that?
 
Roadvirus said:
Yeah we know...you'd hate the idea that Trump pushed a good solution to stop this horror show because anything that makes him look good pisses you off.
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Or that we would want the solution to be tested to make sure it was safe and that it works instead of having an untested idea shoved at us.
 
Jason Warfield said:
Or that we would want the solution to be tested to make sure it was safe and that it works instead of having an untested idea shoved at us.
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Tested? It's already being used. On humans, even. Lots of 'em.
 
bubbabgone said:
Damn good questions. Do you expect on-point answers?
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Nah. I argue with the Threegoofs of the world for the entertainment and those who might be lurking. I don't think Threegoofs is capable of an honest debate.
 
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Jason Warfield said:
Or that we would want the solution to be tested to make sure it was safe and that it works instead of having an untested idea shoved at us.
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Thats garbage. No one is pushing anything on you. Hospitals everywhere are getting promising results with this drug. Even Cuomo admits that. Your position is based upon hatred of Trump and nothing else.
 
Donald Trump, MD (Trump University)
 
jmotivator said:
Nah. I argue with the Threegoofs of the world for the entertainment and those who might be lurking. I don't think Threegoofs is capable of an honest debate.
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Ya know when you post a link to something like WUWT he flies into a tizzy and automatically dismisses it because it's a blog?
Yesterday he posted something about HCQ from ... wait for it ... a blogger.
And the killer was the disclaimer that the author does not in any way speak for his employer.
 
Fletch said:
Thats garbage. No one is pushing anything on you. Hospitals everywhere are getting promising results with this drug. Even Cuomo admits that. Your position is based upon hatred of Trump and nothing else.
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No, we should take the two or three or four years to test and verify and get every thing approved and scientifically PROVEN !!

Then .. after a lot of people died while we diddled and fiddled around, we can say;

"This treatment is proven effective !! Now, put us into the time machine so we can travel back & save those LIVES !!"

And we'll fire that machine up and off we'll go BACK to save *poof* ... Oh, sorry that's not an option ???

So perhaps a better option may be to use things that we know work against other VERY similar infectious agents ... No ???

Why is hydroxychloroquine being considered as a possible preventive, or disease process inhibitor for SARS-CoV-2 (AKA covid-19) ?

.... hydroxychloroquine is an effective agent against MANY RNA viruses. It is effective against the close relative of SARS CoV-2, that being SARS-CoV-1 - see below article at science direct...

Antiviral properties of chloroquine


In vitro, chloroquine appears as a versatile bioactive agent reported to possess antiviral activity against RNA viruses as diverse as rabies virus [16], poliovirus [17], HIV [12,[18], [19], [20], hepatitis A virus [21,22], hepatitis C virus [23], influenza A and B viruses [24], [25], [26], [27], influenza A H5N1 virus [28], Chikungunya virus [29], [30], [31], Dengue virus [32,33], Zika virus [34], Lassa virus [35], Hendra and Nipah viruses [36,37], Crimean–Congo hemorrhagic fever virus [38] and Ebola virus [39], as well as various DNA viruses such as hepatitis B virus [40] and herpes simplex virus [41].The antiviral properties of chloroquine described in vitro have sometimes been confirmed during treatment of virus-infected patients but have not always been reproduced in clinical trials depending on the disease, the concentration of chloroquine used, the duration of treatment and the clinical team in charge of the trial.

Potential antiviral effect of chloroquine against SARS-CoV-2
Because of its broad spectrum of action against viruses, including most coronaviruses and particularly its close relative SARS-CoV-1, and because coronavirus cell entry occurs through the endolysosomal pathway [48], it made sense in a situation of a public-health emergency and the absence of any known efficient therapy to investigate the possible effect of chloroquine against SARS-CoV-2. .....
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New insights on the antiviral effects of chloroquine against coronavirus: what to expect for COVID-19? - ScienceDirect!
 
captaintrips said:
No, we should take the two or three or four years to test and verify and get every thing approved and scientifically PROVEN !!

Then .. after a lot of people died while we diddled and fiddled around, we can say;

"This treatment is proven effective !! Now, put us into the time machine so we can travel back & save those LIVES !!"

And we'll fire that machine up and off we'll go BACK to save *poof* ... Oh, sorry that's not an option ???

So perhaps a better option may be to use things that we know work against other VERY similar infectious agents ... No ???

Why is hydroxychloroquine being considered as a possible preventive, or disease process inhibitor for SARS-CoV-2 (AKA covid-19) ?

.... hydroxychloroquine is an effective agent against MANY RNA viruses. It is effective against the close relative of SARS CoV-2, that being SARS-CoV-1 - see below article at science direct...

Antiviral properties of chloroquine




New insights on the antiviral effects of chloroquine against coronavirus: what to expect for COVID-19? - ScienceDirect!
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Imagine if Trump had known about this drug and its potential and he had said and done nothing. What do you think the reaction of the left would be?
 
Fletch said:
Imagine if Trump had known about this drug and its potential and he had said and done nothing. What do you think the reaction of the left would be?
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The reaction would be no different.

The only difference would be what they're criticizing him about.

We all know the man can't win against the fools.

The fools are fools and will always BE fools.
 
GreatNews2night said:
If the first three studies that are in are confirmed by the larger studies, then NO AMOUNT of hydroxychloroquine will have an impact on death rates, since all three so far concluded for no outcome advantage whatsoever. In one of them, the group that took hydroxychloroquine actually fared worse than the group that didn't, with 12% going to ICU and 4% dying, versus 0% and 0% for the group that did not take the medication.

If the ten ongoing or about to start studies find that after all, contrary to initial impression, it is actually efficacious, sure, widely using it should have an impact on death rates, as long as the medication is used under good medical supervision (since it has a potential for serious and life-threatening heart toxicity).

So basically the jury is still out, regardless of what misinformed people will tell you (including politicians, TV personalities, and some DP posters).
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So is it possible that Hydroxychloroquine does not lower the death rate, but does shorten the time in ICU for those Covid-19 patients who will survive, then perhaps the demand for ventilators ICU beds will reduce. Isn't that one of the goals for Covid-19 to be less of a burden on the health sector of the country/world?


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dave8383 said:
You support it because Trump is talking about it. That's as deep as your mindless argument goes.
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Projection. I support doctors prescribing it as a treatment because it is showing signs of working. Trump has nothing to do with it.
 
bubbabgone said:
Ya know when you post a link to something like WUWT he flies into a tizzy and automatically dismisses it because it's a blog?
Yesterday he posted something about HCQ from ... wait for it ... a blogger.
And the killer was the disclaimer that the author does not in any way speak for his employer.
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It's the core of any appeal to authority... his definition of authority is "they agree with me!", which is just the round about way for the Threegoofs of the world to express their belief that they are actually the authority.
 
bubbabgone said:
Ya know when you post a link to something like WUWT he flies into a tizzy and automatically dismisses it because it's a blog?
Yesterday he posted something about HCQ from ... wait for it ... a blogger.
And the killer was the disclaimer that the author does not in any way speak for his employer.
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Bubba.

Still to afraid to talk to me directly.

LOL
 
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