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Hydroxychloroquine and Chloroquine for Thousands in New York

Robertinfremont said:
The issue for Democrats is their mortal dread Trump is correct and of course they want no credit of any form to go to our president.
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That is pretty much it. Regardless of how they fool themselves, the way they present themselves makes it hard to see the difference between pessimism for the sake of pessimism and pessimism as a political tool.
 
bubbabgone said:
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Despite your outsized opinion of your own qualifications you're not in a position to challenge others who actively work the field and have concluded there's value to HCQ.
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What makes you think that I don't actively work the field? Like I said, I won't give you specifics of my professional qualifications and activities since I'm interested in preserving anonymity, but I will tell you this: you assume wrongly.

Their "conclusions" are opinions and their scientific value is a round zero. Double-blind, placebo-controlled, properly randomized trials with validated outcome measures and sufficient statistical power are facts, not opinions. These are not in, yet.
 
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Robertinfremont said:
The issue for Democrats is their mortal dread Trump is correct and of course they want no credit of any form to go to our president.
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jmotivator said:
That is pretty much it. Regardless of how they fool themselves, the way they present themselves makes it hard to see the difference between pessimism for the sake of pessimism and pessimism as a political tool.
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I wish it were not so but I fear you are right in too many cases.
 
jmotivator said:
What is your argument here? That an urgent care physician doesn't care for patients or that they don't follow up? Are you using your ignorance as the basis of an argument again?



Maybe you should use google hydroxycloroquine and how it is prescribed and how it is used. (Hint: hydroxychloroquine is a zinc ionophore)



There you go using your ignorance as an argument again.



The use of hydroxychloroquine in fighting viral infections, and how and why it works, isn't new.

Well, clearly it's new to you.... :roll:
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Really? That’s your sophisticated rebuttal?

1). Urgent care docs are... urgent care docs. Their follow up generally consists of a phone call. One tends not to go back to see an urgent care doc in a box again.

2). Zinc certainly does play a role in HCQ mechanism. There is no evidence that Zn supplements will make it work better that I know of. But this guy literally says he found out that it works better. Not sure how you do that in two weeks, especially if you have great success using the drug by itself. Or wait... maybe he didnt have good success and needed to add zinc? Seems like he’d mention that.

Also note. HCQ is used in thousands of patients worldwide for a variety of immunologic disorders. I dont think I’ve ever seen Zn supplementation on any patient because they are taking HCQ. But hey! You saw it on TV, so theres that.

3). Not sure how my ignorance of how he additionally treats his patients with high fevers and coughs with other medication would make those therapies not real.

But please. Tell me again how I just make meaningless points.
 
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Robertinfremont said:
Has the drug been the cause of any deaths? This disease thus far has no known cure. But there are real life claims that hydroxychloroquine helps patients. Do you mean you want only deaths and no patients to improve?
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Hydroxychloroquine is only one of several drugs that are being tried. The only reason you know about it is because our CIC is hoping for a quick and easy way out of this so he won't have to do the hard work that's required and so his slow start will be overlooked. He's looking for a miracle cure. There isn't one at the moment.
 
Robertinfremont said:
The issue for Democrats is their mortal dread Trump is correct and of course they want no credit of any form to go to our president.
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You're not kidding. There's a lot invested in the narrative. The wagons have been circled.
 
longview said:
The results from the Chinese study did indeed show improvement.
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By the way, while like I said in my lunch break which is ending now I haven't had the time to explore the study you have mentioned, I did noticed that it was published in a non-peer reviewed source. See you later.
 
GreatNews2night said:
No, it didn't. It showed improvement in TEST RESULTS, not in actual recovery rates. Have you read the study? Because I have, and also listened to a video presentation by the author, precisely showing how people misinterpreted his results, and saying he had the HOPE that the medication would prove more useful than just improving test results but he couldn't make that assumption yet. And like I said, in the group treated by the drug, the outcome was actually worse than in the non-treated group.

"Personal accounts" have zero scientific value. These people don't know if they would have recovered anyway without the medication, since 99% of patients with COVID-19 do recover, and placebo effects are well-known to science.

I'm not interested in "personal accounts" in the least, even if by physicians. I'm interested in double-blind, placebo-controlled, properly randomized studies with accepted outcome measures that have proven field validity. Not somebody's "opinion."

This said, I certainly hope that it works. It's just that it hasn't been proven yet.
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Well the results of the WHO study and the New York study, should be out soon.
before those are out, empirical results may show itself, in lots of people getting better.
 
Freeamerican said:
its interesting there is criticism about potential therapies especially when the naysayers have no solutions. Ppl want to know what is going on. They want to know what drs. are doing. They want to hear slight positive news. Hope. No one has said this drug is a cure. It’s really ridiculous to continue to nitpick the president. Nitpick the media and the way the dems have slowed down relief to the ppl. How about how unprepared NY has taken precious resources from the rest of the country? How about all the deceptive news stories flooding our homes by the liberal media?
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Trump has not acted like a Doctor nor a Scientist. He has two of them standing next to him in a video supplied by I believe it is, Checkerboard Strangler.

Clearly he told the reporter, we do not know. We know the drug hydroxychloroquine is approved and has been reported to provide some help to patients who have CV19. Pressed again he again told the reporter, we need to find out. The Drug is approved for Malaria. If it works, we want it used.
 
GreatNews2night said:
What makes you think that I don't actively work the field? Like I said, I won't give you specifics of my professional qualifications and activities since I'm interested in preserving anonymity, but I will tell you this: you assume wrongly.
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You're too personally biased to be of any practical use to patients.
 
dave8383 said:
Hydroxychloroquine is only one of several drugs that are being tried. The only reason you know about it is because our CIC is hoping for a quick and easy way out of this so he won't have to do the hard work that's required and so his slow start will be overlooked. He's looking for a miracle cure. There isn't one at the moment.
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Fine with me that The CIC wants a fast cure. Trump has no duty to any of us to be a scientist nor a doctor. The fact Democrats heap all the scorn and blame on him shows precisely what I have long warned the public about, Democrats hate the people of this country.

I never saw Trump allege this is a miracle cure. His only gripe is the Media lies about him over this drug.

When he dares meet the press, they consistently lie about the man.
 
Robertinfremont said:
Fine with me that The CIC wants a fast cure. Trump has no duty to any of us to be a scientist nor a doctor. The fact Democrats heap all the scorn and blame on him shows precisely what I have long warned the public about, Democrats hate the people of this country.
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Utter nonsense. Democrats heap scorn and blame on him because he's a braindead dick. It's the ones who refuse to admit the emperor has no clothes who must hate the country.
 
dave8383 said:
Utter nonsense. Democrats heap scorn and blame on him because he's a braindead dick. It's the ones who refuse to admit the emperor has no clothes who must hate the country.
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More hate directly proves my own claim.
 
Threegoofs said:
Really? That’s your sophisticated rebuttal?

1). Urgent care docs are... urgent care docs. Their follow up generally consists of a phone call. One tends not to go back to see an urgent care doc in a box again.

2). Zinc certainly does play a role in HCQ mechanism. There is no evidence that Zn supplements will make it work better that I know of. But this guy literally says he found out that it works better. Not sure how you do that in two weeks, especially if you have great success using the drug by itself. Or wait... maybe he didnt have good success and needed to add zinc? Seems like he’d mention that.

Also note. HCQ is used in thousands of patients worldwide for a variety of immunologic disorders. I dont think I’ve ever seen Zn supplementation on any patient because they are taking HCQ. But hey! You saw it on TV, so theres that.

3). Not sure how my ignorance of how he additionally treats his patients with high fevers and coughs with other medication would make those therapies not real.

But please. Tell me again how I just make meaningless points.
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I have two simple questions given I barely heard of you.

Are you a Trump hater?
Do you fear that the drug hydroxychloroquine actually might work to mitigate suffering by patients?
 
dave8383 said:
Your refusal to admit he's naked proves my point.
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Did we elect Trump to be a doctor or a president? As president he has a duty to cheerlead during times of trouble. The Democrats can't tolerate Trump cheerleading. And you make my point when you post. Trump haters showed up the day he was installed as president. By the millions. And over what? All he had done then was be installed as president.
 
Robertinfremont said:
I have two simple questions given I barely heard of you.

Are you a Trump hater?
Do you fear that the drug hydroxychloroquine actually might work to mitigate suffering by patients?
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Barely heard of me?

LOL.

You really do need to look into that problem I mentioned before.

Did you forget what it was?

That’s...kinda the problem.

And I think HCQ is a drug with way more hype behind it than good data. And there are a dozen other experimental treatments that are probably as good.
 
Jack Hays said:
Full speed ahead in New York.

Trump keeps touting an unproven treatment. It’s now being tested on thousands in N.Y.

The effort has raised concerns among health experts. But President Trump’s intervention and New York Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo’s embrace of the strategy has fueled popular excitement about the drugs.




New York is moving at unprecedented speed and scale in a human experiment to distribute tens of thousands of doses of anti-malarial drugs to seriously ill patients, spurred by political leaders including President Trump to try a treatment that is not proved to be effective against the coronavirus.

With no proven treatment for the coronavirus, and infections in New York topping 30,000, health experts say the Food and Drug Administration has moved with uncommon speed to authorize New York’s sweeping plan to distribute the drugs through hospital networks. . . .

New York will use three medications — hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine in combination with the antibiotic azithromycin — contributed by the Federal Emergency Management Agency and Amneal Pharmaceuticals, the state said. The first wave of patients will receive hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin. . . .
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Let us all hope it is what Trump think it is. We definitely need something to believe in.

Nonetheless, read this article about the medicine:

https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/06/trump-hydroxychloroquine-fact-check/
 
Robertinfremont said:
Did we elect Trump to be a doctor or a president? As president he has a duty to cheerlead during times of trouble. The Democrats can't tolerate Trump cheerleading. And you make my point when you post. Trump haters showed up the day he was installed as president. By the millions. And over what? All he had done then was be installed as president.
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If you can't help being a sycophant just admit it.
 
Threegoofs said:
Really? That’s your sophisticated rebuttal?

1). Urgent care docs are... urgent care docs. Their follow up generally consists of a phone call. One tends not to go back to see an urgent care doc in a box again.
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You might not know this, but your ignorant hand waving still isn't a good argument.

2). Zinc certainly does play a role in HCQ mechanism. There is no evidence that Zn supplements will make it work better that I know of. But this guy literally says he found out that it works better. Not sure how you do that in two weeks, especially if you have great success using the drug by itself. Or wait... maybe he didnt have good success and needed to add zinc? Seems like he’d mention that.
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Why don't you ask him? Oh right, he's just a doctor.

Also note. HCQ is used in thousands of patients worldwide for a variety of immunologic disorders. I dont think I’ve ever seen Zn supplementation on any patient because they are taking HCQ. But hey! You saw it on TV, so theres that.
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So we can establish your expertise, how many patients have you administered hydroxychloroquine to? What is your experience with treating COVID-19 patients?

3). Not sure how my ignorance of how he additionally treats his patients with high fevers and coughs with other medication would make those therapies not real.

But please. Tell me again how I just make meaningless points.
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Your ignorance is your presumption of what his treatment protocol of those patients are and that, because his results don't match your expectations, there is some magical mystery medication that is responsible tat he hasn't deduced... or, he's lying. :roll:

You know who is better suited to evaluate that protocol and what is and isn't effective? He is.
 
Robertinfremont said:
Fine with me that The CIC wants a fast cure. Trump has no duty to any of us to be a scientist nor a doctor. The fact Democrats heap all the scorn and blame on him shows precisely what I have long warned the public about, Democrats hate the people of this country.

I never saw Trump allege this is a miracle cure. His only gripe is the Media lies about him over this drug.

When he dares meet the press, they consistently lie about the man.
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"I never saw Trump allege this is a miracle cure"

He came very close to calling it that. Here are 2 videos. This first one was 2 weeks ago and the second one from yesterday.





Check out this article regarding hydroxychloroquine that came out yesterday;

Fact-checking Trump’s optimistic hydroxychloroquine claims - STAT
 
Robertinfremont said:
More hate directly proves my own claim.
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Hate does not prove "your" point. Mass hate proves that Trump is a piece of ****. People by nature are lovers and not haters and the fact so many people hate Trump is confirmation he is a hateable person.

Mass hate means the probabilities of hate being the correct emotion generated by the actions of the hated person are high.
 
jmotivator said:
You might not know this, but your ignorant hand waving still isn't a good argument.



Why don't you ask him? Oh right, he's just a doctor.



So we can establish your expertise, how many patients have you administered hydroxychloroquine to? What is your experience with treating COVID-19 patients?



Your ignorance is your presumption of what his treatment protocol of those patients are and that, because his results don't match your expectations, there is some magical mystery medication that is responsible tat he hasn't deduced... or, he's lying. :roll:

You know who is better suited to evaluate that protocol and what is and isn't effective? He is.
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So basically, you’re argument is that we need to believe this guy, no matter how absurd the statements.

That’s a high quality argument right there. [emoji849]
 
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