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Hydroxychloroquine and Chloroquine for Thousands in New York

Ikari said:
So mostly they're just trying to make sure the medicine won't kill people on whole.

Cool, cool cool.

They can probably get some sense, but as they said, this is not as rigorous as an actual blind study with placebo. This is the poor man's experiment. There's a reason we've adopted the more rigorous methods of testing.
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This is an emergency measure.
 
Jack Hays said:
This is an emergency measure.
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I know it is. This is a shot and a prayer style of testing. Praying that they maybe, possibly got something right here. I hope it does work. But it doesn't change it from being something other than I previously stated. We don't know, we won't really know even after the "testing". We're just hoping that maybe, possibly, we can see something positive come out of this, be it from the medication or not.

Fire up the Jovi, we're living on a prayer.

lol
 
i hear that crawling in an autoclave for thirty minutes is an instant cure. well, by "instant," i mean about the worst thing you could imagine for a couple minutes, but you definitely wouldn't have My Corona after that.
 
Helix said:
i hear that crawling in an autoclave for thirty minutes is an instant cure. well, by "instant," i mean about the worst thing you could imagine for a couple minutes, but you definitely wouldn't have My Corona after that.
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I wonder what the suicide rate is among covid victims?
 
JacksinPA said:
I wonder what the suicide rate is among covid victims?
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Hopefully not too high. I mean, wouldn't you just sort of go to bed and try to beat it?
 
Ikari said:
Yeah, this is a complete shot in the dark. Well there's no testing like Human Testing, so we'll see if this has any sort of effect. I hope they perform the experiment correctly too, so we're not just reporting on a placebo effect.
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If it keeps patients from deteriorating and out of the ICU, needing ventilators, it would certainly be a positive.
 
Lovebug said:
If it keeps patients from deteriorating and out of the ICU, needing ventilators, it would certainly be a positive.
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If it does, then yes it will be. But that doesn't mean this ain't a shot in the dark. And hopefully it works, and if not, hopefully it didn't take time, energy, and resources from other venues that could have been explored.
 
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1 day ago - New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo showed optimism about the chloroquine drug and its potential to help those suffering from COVID-19 ...
 
CaughtInThe said:
damn. that's the first thing (besides the virus and the deaths or course) that's concerning to me. it means we have no clue and are just guessing.


here's to hoping this guess works.
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The truth might be more morbid. It could show how desperate Cuomo is. He knows the 30,000 ventilators won't be coming in time. 10's of 1000's of doses is not normal for a test I don't think.
 
iguanaman said:
The truth might be more morbid. It could show how desperate Cuomo is. He knows the 30,000 ventilators won't be coming in time. 10's of 1000's of doses is not normal for a test I don't think.
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It's not like there's a long list of other ideas to try.
 
Jack Hays said:
I'm saying that the state of New York has decided it's worth trying on a large scale. It's not a matter of whether Trump is right or wrong.
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To say "Full speed ahead in New York." is a misleading statement, something you're prone to do, and then when I ask for more detail so as to clarify what you say, "the state of New York has decided it's worth trying on a large scale" is no clarification, but rather reiterates the essence of you first statement. There is no "full speed ahead" or "trying on a large scale" in NY. These are clinical trials ONLY. NOTHING large scale. Get it right and don't so purposely or ignorantly mislead others.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Well that is full speed ahead, for the largest clinical trial of the drug yet taken.
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Rationalize all you want. There is no such thing as "full speed ahead" experimental use. Most certainly not a term professionals would apply to experimental, clinical trial.
 
bluesmoke said:
Rationalize all you want. There is no such thing as "full speed ahead" experimental use. Most certainly not a term professionals would apply to experimental, clinical trial.
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Wow now you’re arguing the semantics of a colloquial phrase? Lol
 
longview said:
If they are talking about tens of thousands of doses, it must be a big trial.
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Bayer donated 3M doses to the feds who will distribute for testing nationwide. IT IS NOT A GAME CHANGER. IT IS NOT A CURE. The trial is to determine efficacy in reducing recovery time. A big trial, yes, but by no means "full speed ahead". Two different meanings.
 
bluesmoke said:
Bayer donated 3M doses to the feds who will distribute for testing nationwide. IT IS NOT A GAME CHANGER. IT IS NOT A CURE. The trial is to determine efficacy in reducing recovery time. A big trial, yes, but by no means "full speed ahead". Two different meanings.
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If it helps reduce the viral load of people whose immune systems are struggling to keep up, it could save quite a few lives.
If it reduces the time of recovery, without serious downsides, that will be the test.
 
bluesmoke said:
To say "Full speed ahead in New York." is a misleading statement, something you're prone to do, and then when I ask for more detail so as to clarify what you say, "the state of New York has decided it's worth trying on a large scale" is no clarification, but rather reiterates the essence of you first statement. There is no "full speed ahead" or "trying on a large scale" in NY. These are clinical trials ONLY. NOTHING large scale. Get it right and don't so purposely or ignorantly mislead others.
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Read the OP.

They are deploying the drugs to "thousands" of patients. That sounds large scale to me.

[h=1]Trump keeps touting an unproven coronavirus treatment. It’s now being tested on thousands in New York.[/h]
". . . New York is moving at unprecedented speed and scale in a human experiment to distribute tens of thousands of doses of anti-malarial drugs to seriously ill patients, spurred by political leaders including President Trump to try a treatment that is not proved to be effective against the coronavirus. . . ."
 
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calamity said:
Quack president equals quack cures
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Yeah we know...you'd hate the idea that Trump pushed a good solution to stop this horror show because anything that makes him look good pisses you off.
 
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4 days ago - NY to start experimental treatments for COVID-19 ... and 750,000 doses of Chloroquine,” in anticipation of drug trials that will begin on Tuesday.

[FONT=&quot]On Sunday, the governor said that the state has purchased[FONT=&quot] “70,000 doses of Hydroxychloroquine, 10,000 doses of Zithromax and 750,000 doses of Chloroquine,” in anticipation of drug trials that will begin on Tuesday. [/FONT][/FONT]
 
[h=1]French group claims malaria drug cures coronavirus[/h]Posted on 28 Mar 20 by PAUL MATTHEWS • 9 Comments
A new draft paper from a group of French researchers reports very encouraging results from the malaria drug Hydroxychloroquine, combined with Azithromycin, an antibiotic. 80 coronavirus-positive patients were treated, and all but two of them showed a rapid improvement over a few days. Unfortunately, the team leader, Didier Raoult, seems to be something of … Continue reading

" . . . Even more unfortunately, the issue has now been hopelessly politicised, since Donald Trump tweeted the March 20th paper. You can therefore with almost 100% accuracy predict someone’s opinion of the validity of Raoult’s work if you know their opinion of Donald Trump, or vice versa. So it’s no surprise that the Guardian is critical of the use of the drugs, trying to claim that it will mean other people who need them won’t get them."
 
Jack Hays said:
[h=1]French group claims malaria drug cures coronavirus[/h]Posted on 28 Mar 20 by PAUL MATTHEWS • 9 Comments
A new draft paper from a group of French researchers reports very encouraging results from the malaria drug Hydroxychloroquine, combined with Azithromycin, an antibiotic. 80 coronavirus-positive patients were treated, and all but two of them showed a rapid improvement over a few days. Unfortunately, the team leader, Didier Raoult, seems to be something of … Continue reading

" . . . Even more unfortunately, the issue has now been hopelessly politicised, since Donald Trump tweeted the March 20th paper. You can therefore with almost 100% accuracy predict someone’s opinion of the validity of Raoult’s work if you know their opinion of Donald Trump, or vice versa. So it’s no surprise that the Guardian is critical of the use of the drugs, trying to claim that it will mean other people who need them won’t get them."
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I've seen on another thread that some people here apparently think you're a Trump fan but I know you're not.
So your posts about promising off-label treatments for CV have nothing to do with supporting Trump.
On the other hand, upon reading the WAPO piece in the OP (and some commentary here on DP) I get the feeling there are many who really would prefer it not be true if it's linked in any way to Trump.
Now THAT's a whole different disease.
 
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