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US overtakes China, Italy in total confirmed coronavirus cases, researchers say | Fox News


The United States on Thursday overtook China and Italy in confirmed coronavirus cases with over 82,000 in all, a grim milestone reported by Johns Hopkins University researchers.As the U.S. surged up to 82,404 confirmed COVID-19 cases Thursday, it took the number-one spot from China, which has 81,782 cases, followed by Italy with 80,589 cases. The U.S. now has accounted for about 14.9 percent of cases worldwide.

Trump :roll::roll::roll:
 
Look on the bright side. The US is now #1 at something else other than the number of incarcerated citizens per capita, the number of adults who believe angels are real, and military spending.
 
I am putting a 17 year old exchange student from Italy on a plane home in a few hours(From Seattle no less). I'm just sick about it. I plead my case with her parents and made it clear she was welcome to stay until the dust settled. But no.
 
This is what happens when you give the democrats what they have been whining for--more testing.

You find the people who are carrying the virus. That's a problem for you?
 
You find the people who are carrying the virus. That's a problem for you?

He's unintentionally admitting that only Democrats care about dealing with the virus. Hilarious Trumpian blunder.
 

And 46% (39,125) are in New York State, with a .9% (385) mortality rate among confirmed cases. United States Coronavirus (COVID-19) Tracker

Yet the overall numbers of confirmed US cases is 85,396, with a national mortality rate of 1.4% (1,221). United States Coronavirus (COVID-19) Tracker

New York City is likely the prime area simply because it is the most congested. NYC's total population is 8.75 million. Population of New York City 2020: (Largest City of New York State)

So there are .4% confirmed cases out of that 8.75 million if they were ALL in NYC. What percent of that number have died? 0.0044%

Perspective is everything people...
 
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America is the third largest country population wise. We have more people to infect.

In a pandemic, it's population densities that matter. This is why NY has such a high number of infections, NYC is over 26,000 people per square mile. The United States as a whole is just 94 people per square mile. In comparison, China's is 345 per square mile. Italy is 533 per square mile.

The fact we have such a high number of confirmed infections (our actual number is much, much higher), with a relatively low over all population density is pretty alarming.
 
America is the third largest country population wise. We have more people to infect.

If only 20% get sick, then there's about 400,000 folks total infected and contagious. Hopefully less due to social distancing efforts, but that is the rough number.
 
I am putting a 17 year old exchange student from Italy on a plane home in a few hours(From Seattle no less). I'm just sick about it. I plead my case with her parents and made it clear she was welcome to stay until the dust settled. But no.

I expect Italy will test her on arrival. If so, there's no risk to the family.
 
And 46% (39,125) are in New York State, with a 9.8% (385) mortality rate among confirmed cases. United States Coronavirus (COVID-19) Tracker

Yet the overall numbers of confirmed US cases is 85,396, with a national mortality rate of 1.4% (1,221). United States Coronavirus (COVID-19) Tracker

New York City is likely the prime area simply because it is the most congested. NYC's total population is 8.75 million. Population of New York City 2020: (Largest City of New York State)

So there are .04% confirmed cases out of that 8.75 million if they were ALL in NYC. What percent of that number have died? 0.00044%

Perspective is everything people...

Don't forget the other 160,000 folks who caught the virus about the same time the sick folks did and were still spreading it when the sick got sick a week later.
 
And 46% (39,125) are in New York State, with a 10% (385) mortality rate among confirmed cases. United States Coronavirus (COVID-19) Tracker

Yet the overall numbers of confirmed US cases is 85,396, with a national mortality rate of 1.4% (1,221). United States Coronavirus (COVID-19) Tracker

New York City is likely the prime area simply because it is the most congested. NYC's total population is 8.75 million. Population of New York City 2020: (Largest City of New York State)

So there are .04% confirmed cases out of that 8.75 million if they were ALL in NYC. What percent of that number have died? 0.00044%

Perspective is everything people...

I am sorry, but your reasoning is pretty flawed. New York has such a high number of confirmed cases because NYC has over 26,000 people per square mile. Thus, transmission rates are an order of magnitude higher than they would be anywhere else in the country. Example, when you leave your home, you and other members of your direct family are the only ones touching your front door and mode of transportation, your vehicle. In contrast, in NYC, when you leave your residence, you walk out into a hallway and get on an elevator that potentially hundreds of people have touched, you leave through a door in the lobby that several hundred people have touched, then you get on a subway with thousands of other people.

Moreover, NYC has such a high number of infections, that those that are highly symptomatic are the ones getting tested the most, thus it artificially inflates their case fatality rates.

A point of comparison would be Italy, which has an advanced medical system, but still has a case fatality rate of around 1.2% (so far). Now one might say that Italy has a high number of seniors, and that is true, but so do we. Most people that die from Covid-19, are patients with 2 or more comorbities.

Average lifespan of Italians: 82.5 years.

Average lifespan of Americans: 78 years.

COPD Prevalence in Italy: 3.2%

COPD Prevalence in the United States: 7.5% (American Lung Association numbers)

Diabetes rate in Italy: 5.3%

Diabetes rate in the United States: 10.5%

You can pick any health metric, and Italy's seniors are far more healthy than our's are. When you consider that, if anything, our eventual case fatality rate for Covid-19 unfortunately may well exceed Italy's.

If we have the kind of 75% to 80% eventual infection rate that many models are predicting for America, that would be at least 2 million Americans would die from Covid-19. There is no perspective you could put that into where it would not be a national tragedy.
 
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I am sorry, but your reasoning is pretty flawed. New York has such a high number of confirmed cases because NYC has over 26,000 people per square mile...

What part of...:

...New York City is likely the prime area simply because it is the most congested. NYC's total population is 8.75 million. Population of New York City 2020: (Largest City of New York State) ...

...did you miss in your "counter" explanation?

All the rest of your "data" is meaningless deflection.

This is the USA, not Italy. There are all sorts of cultural differences between us and Italy. Most importantly we are more standoffish about our personal space in many ways than Italian's are. Moreover, they also have a higher percentage per capita of the elderly at risk than we do. 23,1% in 2020 Italy, • Italy: share of elderly population 2009-2020 | Statista

as compared to 16.9% in the USA. • U.S. - seniors as a percentage of the population 2050 | Statista

As for being "more healthy?" Doesn't seem to matter when they ignore simple "personal distance" requirement's which tend to prevent the spread.

Nice try, but I stand by my points. We have better healthcare, and the number's don't lie, as our mortality rates so far for this outbreak are low.

Cut the doom and gloom narrative. It doesn't help anything.
 
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