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Stupidly having held Mardi Gras, New Orleans likely to be the next epicenter

New Orleans emerges as next coronavirus epicenter, threatening rest of South

This is what happens when people keep minimizing the problem, sticking their heads in the sand, and saying that COVID-19 is just another flu, no big deal.

Before Mardi Gras, with enough signs of trouble brewing worldwide, I remember thinking, why in the hell won't New Orleans officials cancel the Mardi Gras celebrations this year? This is a recipe for disaster!

And now, we are starting to see the result of this stupidity.

Explosive outbreaks and their dire consequences are always delayed by several weeks. So we are starting to see now, the consequences of this boneheaded no-call.

This is why I'm absolutely for shelter-in-place orders. It's the only way to flatten the curve and break the contagion.

People say, "it doesn't work, see the numbers in Italy" - but their numbers of cases and dead people *now*, reflect infections contracted *BEFORE* they started the lockdown (and this will continue for a while because at first they didn't even enforce the lockdown seriously like they are doing now).

Between catching the virus and dying, several weeks go by.

Wait for the wave silently started BEFORE the lockdown to die out one way or the other (with people either recovering or dying), and THEN you'll see the efficacy of Italy's lockdown.

We are ALREADY talking of easing up our restrictions, although we didn't even go into complete, nation-wide lockdown.

We will pay a huge price for not taking bold action.

Currently our number of dead is consistently going up by a factor of 2.5 every 3 days. Very consistently. Do the math and see what is ahead in the horizon for us. As of now, when I type this, we are at 1,032 deaths. Keep multiplying this by 2.5 every 3 days, then multiply the result by 2.5 again 3 days later, and so on, and see where we'll rapidly be in 2 and 3 weeks.

Let me show you what this calculation yields:

3/29 = 2,580
4/1 = 6,450
4/4 = 16,125
4/7 = 40,312
4/10 = 100,781
4/13 = 251,953
4/16 = 629,882
4/19 = 1,574,707
4/21 = 3,936,767

Do I think we'll get to almost 4 million dead on 4/21? No. That would be more than 1% of the population and would suppose a more than 1% case-fatality rate with 100% of the population infected, and the real rate, accounting for non-diagnosed cases, is likely to be a bit smaller than that. Also, the virus will likely not get to a full 100% of the population.

So, no, the curve will have to slow down at some point, likely before we reach this number on 4/21, which should be the limit, because if it keeps progressing like this, the virus will run out of new people to infect, in the effect called herd immunity.

And also, the places that did implement stay home orders will slow down the overall progression.

Maybe some effective treatment will be found in the meantime, to decrease infectious potential (which is currently about a R0 - the number that shows how many other people an infected person infects - of 2.5 too, estimated to be spread over, guess what, 3 days).

Maybe the warm weather will help. While the virus is spreading in tropical climates and in places where it is summer, so we can't really count on it disappearing in the summer, it seems to spread in hot areas at a milder rate than in the wintry northern hemisphere.

But the importance of flattening this curve, is to avoid overwhelming the healthcare system.

Remember, not only the fatality rate will go up if hospitals run out of capacity for ICU beds and ventilators, but other untreated medical/surgical conditions in other age groups including the very young, will start leading to death as well - where do you put the young child with a severe asthma attack that is deteriorating and needs a ventilator, if all ventilators are taken by COVID-19 patients? How do you perform surgery with general anesthesia (which needs a ventilator) if all ventilators are taken? Where do you put the heart attacks, and the trauma patients from car crashes? And so on and so forth, not to forget that healthcare workers running out of PPE catch the virus too therefore drop out of the healthcare workforce.

No, my friends. We need to lock down the country even more before this situation becomes too serious to handle. And it's no time to start easing up the restrictions, yet.

Poor partisan leftist. Is nobody paying attention to your deliberate attempts to incite panic? :roll:

I can't say I'm surprised. You continually spew complete nonsense that doesn't come close to matching reality, and then wonder why you are being laughed at. A serious case of self-delusion, but a very common trait among hardcore leftist scum.
 
New Orleans emerges as next coronavirus epicenter, threatening rest of South

This is what happens when people keep minimizing the problem, sticking their heads in the sand, and saying that COVID-19 is just another flu, no big deal.

Before Mardi Gras, with enough signs of trouble brewing worldwide, I remember thinking, why in the hell won't New Orleans officials cancel the Mardi Gras celebrations this year? This is a recipe for disaster!

And now, we are starting to see the result of this stupidity.

Explosive outbreaks and their dire consequences are always delayed by several weeks. So we are starting to see now, the consequences of this boneheaded no-call.

This is why I'm absolutely for shelter-in-place orders. It's the only way to flatten the curve and break the contagion.

People say, "it doesn't work, see the numbers in Italy" - but their numbers of cases and dead people *now*, reflect infections contracted *BEFORE* they started the lockdown (and this will continue for a while because at first they didn't even enforce the lockdown seriously like they are doing now).

Between catching the virus and dying, several weeks go by.

Wait for the wave silently started BEFORE the lockdown to die out one way or the other (with people either recovering or dying), and THEN you'll see the efficacy of Italy's lockdown.

We are ALREADY talking of easing up our restrictions, although we didn't even go into complete, nation-wide lockdown.

We will pay a huge price for not taking bold action.

Currently our number of dead is consistently going up by a factor of 2.5 every 3 days. Very consistently. Do the math and see what is ahead in the horizon for us. As of now, when I type this, we are at 1,032 deaths. Keep multiplying this by 2.5 every 3 days, then multiply the result by 2.5 again 3 days later, and so on, and see where we'll rapidly be in 2 and 3 weeks.

Let me show you what this calculation yields:

3/29 = 2,580
4/1 = 6,450
4/4 = 16,125
4/7 = 40,312
4/10 = 100,781
4/13 = 251,953
4/16 = 629,882
4/19 = 1,574,707
4/21 = 3,936,767

Do I think we'll get to almost 4 million dead on 4/21? No. That would be more than 1% of the population and would suppose a more than 1% case-fatality rate with 100% of the population infected, and the real rate, accounting for non-diagnosed cases, is likely to be a bit smaller than that. Also, the virus will likely not get to a full 100% of the population.

So, no, the curve will have to slow down at some point, likely before we reach this number on 4/21, which should be the limit, because if it keeps progressing like this, the virus will run out of new people to infect, in the effect called herd immunity.

And also, the places that did implement stay home orders will slow down the overall progression.

Maybe some effective treatment will be found in the meantime, to decrease infectious potential (which is currently about a R0 - the number that shows how many other people an infected person infects - of 2.5 too, estimated to be spread over, guess what, 3 days).

Maybe the warm weather will help. While the virus is spreading in tropical climates and in places where it is summer, so we can't really count on it disappearing in the summer, it seems to spread in hot areas at a milder rate than in the wintry northern hemisphere.

But the importance of flattening this curve, is to avoid overwhelming the healthcare system.

Remember, not only the fatality rate will go up if hospitals run out of capacity for ICU beds and ventilators, but other untreated medical/surgical conditions in other age groups including the very young, will start leading to death as well - where do you put the young child with a severe asthma attack that is deteriorating and needs a ventilator, if all ventilators are taken by COVID-19 patients? How do you perform surgery with general anesthesia (which needs a ventilator) if all ventilators are taken? Where do you put the heart attacks, and the trauma patients from car crashes? And so on and so forth, not to forget that healthcare workers running out of PPE catch the virus too therefore drop out of the healthcare workforce.

No, my friends. We need to lock down the country even more before this situation becomes too serious to handle. And it's no time to start easing up the restrictions, yet.

As about half the U.S. deaths to date are people from New York are you saying there will be more than 2 million deaths there? This state is in lock-down and is led by the new media icon Andy Cuomo. While NYC is led by the MSNBC favorite Bill de Blasio.
 
As about half the U.S. deaths to date are people from New York are you saying there will be more than 2 million deaths there? This state is in lock-down and is led by the new media icon Andy Cuomo. While NYC is led by the MSNBC favorite Bill de Blasio.

No, the infection will run its course in New York but then other parts of the country will take over. A hot spot in this sort of very contagious disease is just temporarily so; it just got the virus sooner than a cold spot, but eventually the virus will make the cold spots turn hot too.
 
They had Mardis Gras because they wanted to have Mardis Gras. Now, the "Orange man bad" blame game is starting.

The orange man could have relayed the seriousness of this months ago, then you could have BLAMED the local governments and states. But never, ever blame trump for any of the **** he does. That’s how the republicans roll You guys never take responsibility for the **** you do. It is always someone else’s fault
 
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The orange man could have relayed the seriousness of this months ago, then you could have BLAMED the local governments and states. But never, ever blame trump for any of the **** he does. That’s how the republicans roll You guys never take responsibility for the **** you do. It is always someone else’s fault

So, the mayor of New Orleans couldn't have made her own decision and all those federal agents that assist with Mardi Gras kept her in the dark?
 
So, the mayor of New Orleans couldn't have made her own decision and all those federal agents that assist with Mardi Gras kept her in the dark?

What federal agents assist in the Mardi Gras? I think you are pushing your BS a little too far
 
This wasn't so hard to figure out. I figured it out and I'm not an elected governmental official. I remember thinking at the time "are these Brazilians crazy, they will carry on with Carnival as usual with millions of people on the streets and foreign tourists coming from all over, don't they know there is a pandemic brewing? They should cancel it. And that reminds me that their Carnival down south coincides with Mardi Gras in New Orleans; same issue, they should cancel that, too, or people will get infected and die."

Of course nobody cancelled anything, and now both Brazil and New Orleans are hot spots for the virus .

Well, unfortunately everyone does not think like you. That is the purpose of leadership in government. Most people think like, oh, it will never happen here
 
Because it's always funny watching you people Monday morning quarterback everything. I'm waiting for you to blame Trump for not shutting down Mardi Gras.

Had Trump taken this matter seriously six weeks ago, Mardi Gras might well have been cancelled.

They had Mardis Gras because they wanted to have Mardis Gras. Now, the "Orange man bad" blame game is starting.

Let me help you. The "orange man" is bad, because he is incompetent. His inaction during the months of January and February will likely lead to the deaths of tens of thousands of people.
 
What federal agents assist in the Mardi Gras? I think you are pushing your BS a little too far

Most of the boob flashers are under cover agents......
 
The mayor of New Orleans doesn't shoulder any responsibility?

She received no red-flag warnings from the Trump administration, CDC, or DHS.
 
Is the mayor stupid?

The mayor did not have the CDC and the intelligence community advising her/him (whatever you have there). If (s)he had that kind of intelligence behind and ignored, then the mayor would be stupid for going ahead. But, the 'go' decision was made without the benefit of adverse information, which upstream they well knew. So, if you wish to hand out the stupid man award, well, it goes to the Orange Man.

If we started our testing and quarantining six weeks ago, we might be looking at a flat curve right now.... not an out-of-control virus that may kill 100K or more.

When this is all said and done, they will calculate the number of people that might have been saved had the Federal government acted in late-Jan / early-Feb. Of course, those additional deaths will go on Trump's ledger as the cost of his incompetence/inaction.
 
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If we started our testing and quarantining six weeks ago, we might be looking at a flat curve right now.... not an out-of-control virus that may kill 100K or more.

You go right ahead and try to sell "quarantining" to a population which had only a few cases and no deaths.
 
You go right ahead and try to sell "quarantining" to a population which had only a few cases and no deaths.

No, if they had testing, they would have been able to do tracing and quarantine those afflicted. If would not have spread quite as fast... ala South Korea. We would have known how deeply entrenched the virus was in American weeks earlier and not had the problem we have right now. We have had to do broad application of sheltering in place because we let it go too long and spread too far. We still have no idea where the virus is really active and where the next hot spot will be. We have been chasing the puck rather than skating to where the puck will be.
 
Yes, it's possible. Put the National Guard on the streets, make gatherings of more than 10 people without a justified reason illegal, impose a curfew, arrest anyone who doesn't comply. I guarantee that there would be no Mardi Gras under these measures which were all within the powers of Louisiana's governor.

It would have avoided lots of deaths. People would be mad... but then, as the disease progresses nationwide, they would understand. Let them celebrate Mardi Gras again once this is over.

Do you think that would save more lives then would be lost in a Boogaloo?

Because I don’t think you’d see pacified compliance with full on Martial law putting the guard on the streets. Just wait all it would take is one group of trigger happy soldiers and the fallout from a Bloody Sunday or Kent State repeat would be far worse then the virus. The National Guard does not exist to suppress dissent from executive orders
 
Yes, it's possible. Put the National Guard on the streets, make gatherings of more than 10 people without a justified reason illegal, impose a curfew, arrest anyone who doesn't comply. I guarantee that there would be no Mardi Gras under these measures which were all within the powers of Louisiana's governor.

It would have avoided lots of deaths. People would be mad... but then, as the disease progresses nationwide, they would understand. Let them celebrate Mardi Gras again once this is over.

Very true. Once this passes
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Some local leader should have done some research, perhaps asked the right questions, and made a decision accordingly. I suspect it was about money, just like the spring breakers being allowed in Fl. Hindsight is 20/20.
 
Do you think that would save more lives then would be lost in a Boogaloo?

Because I don’t think you’d see pacified compliance with full on Martial law putting the guard on the streets. Just wait all it would take is one group of trigger happy soldiers and the fallout from a Bloody Sunday or Kent State repeat would be far worse then the virus. The National Guard does not exist to suppress dissent from executive orders

There woulda damn sure been one, too.
 
Very true. Once this passes
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Some local leader should have done some research, perhaps asked the right questions, and made a decision accordingly. I suspect it was about money, just like the spring breakers being allowed in Fl. Hindsight is 20/20.

You bet it was about money. Mardi Gras generate $400 million in local revenue and $49 million in taxes. The city government wasn't going miss out on that kind of money.
 
Mardi Gras was a couple of weeks of celebration ending on Feb 25. To analyze the decision one would have to recall what we knew in late Jan-early Feb.
 
Mardi Gras was a couple of weeks of celebration ending on Feb 25. To analyze the decision one would have to recall what we knew in late Jan-early Feb.

Given that Trump said, on Feb 27th, that this disease is only in a few people in the US and would go down to zero tells you a lot.

I’ll also note that Mardi Gras happened before ANY evidence of local transmission occurred in the US. Mardi Gras was on 2/25, and the first case of non-travel COVID was on 2/27.

From what we knew then, Mardi Gras would never have been canceled.
 
Marci Gras would have been cancelled if our president took this seriously early on.

Where was Dr. fauci during all of this!
 
You go right ahead and try to sell "quarantining" to a population which had only a few cases and no deaths.
Hong Kong did it, without authorities enforcing it.
 
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