Testing failure in the US..

SheWolf said:

I am not going to argue this with you. If you can’t comprehend that she should have tested and early on, then you’re in the wrong.

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We have millions of people in this country that have not been tested, but they're not going to crowded jury rooms and running off to funerals and hugging everyone, especially if they don't feel well.

Josie said:

She knew at the end of February she was sick - cough and fever. Then a few days later she was on jury duty and at a funeral with a lot of people in close proximity. And, yes, it is reckless and stupid to hug people when you know you're sick or know you have been sick. Even more reckless for a doctor. Common sense, right? And again, I'm not saying she knew she had the virus -- we still don't know if she has it -- she just knew she was sick.

But, per usual, you cannot discuss anything without getting all red in the face and insulting. Oh, well.

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You called her post stupid, so don’t act like you don’t have an attitude problem. The importance of early testing and public knowledge is to ensure that people are not spreading the virus. Countries like SK have been successful in early testing, and quickly quarantining the positive. That’s the whole point. She should have been tested early. Instead, you want to have a discussion about how reckless she is for possibly spreading corona. If you think that that is a good public heath strategy you’re wrong. We need more tests.

SheWolf said:

You argued that all Nazis are individuals, and shouldn’t be judged by the bad nazis.

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Mmkay. Create a new thread, link the discussion you're talking about there and we'll continue there instead of derailing this one.

PeteEU said:

Hmm not the point about her actions. Amazing how people are focusing on that and not the fact that she could not get tested despite have the symptoms. Yea sure she maybe should have been more careful, but the point is she should have gotten tested or been told to self isolate immediately and NONE of that was done because it was not policy by the Trump administration and in fact the official policy was all over the place. To this day his loyal people say "its just the flu" and try to downplay the crisis...

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Maybe should have been more careful? We were isolating non symptomatic people for 14 days just for having been in a country where people were sick. She's ACTUALLY sick and went around hugging people! Should have been more careful is an understatement.

SheWolf said:

You called her post stupid, so don’t act like you don’t have an attitude problem. The importance of early testing and public knowledge is to ensure that people are not spreading the virus. Countries like SK have been successful in early testing, and quickly quarantining the positive. That’s the whole point. She should have been tested early. Instead, you want to have a discussion about how reckless she is for possibly spreading corona. If you think that that is a good public heath strategy you’re wrong. We need more tests.

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She's reckless for hugging people when she knew she had been sick. Do you disagree?

She didn't ask to be tested until after the jury duty and funeral. And, yes, she should've been tested immediately the day she went to the doctor.

Metric Mouse said:

We have millions of people in this country that have not been tested, but they're not going to crowded jury rooms and running off to funerals and hugging everyone, especially if they don't feel well.

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You don’t know that. I was in the grocery store a weeks ago, and toddlers in carts sucking the handles. People were at the mall trying on clothes. It takes two weeks for the virus to incubate, which is why healthy people should also be social distancing.

Josie said:

She's reckless for hugging people when she knew she had been sick. Do you disagree?

She didn't ask to be tested until after the jury duty and funeral. And, yes, she should've been tested immediately the day she went to the doctor.

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I am not going to call her reckless. The article doesn’t explain her thinking. When I think I am sick with asthma and allergies, I go to events. I hug people, because I am not going to infect people. You don’t know what she thought she had at that point. Coronavirus is highly contagious and infectious. Average people are not used to quarantining themselves because of a cough. That has changed. We are quarantining heathy people at this point.

SheWolf said:

You don’t know that. I was in the grocery store a weeks ago, and toddlers in carts sucking the handles. People were at the mall trying on clothes. It takes two weeks for the virus to incubate, which is why healthy people should also be social distancing.

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Yes, healthy people should be socially distancing. So should sick people, especially if they're doctors and should know better. Not sure why this person thought she was special, but she sure didn't help the problem.

SheWolf said:

I am not going to call her reckless. The article doesn’t explain her thinking. When I think I am sick with asthma and allergies, I go to events. I hug people, because I am not going to infect people. You don’t know what she thought she had at that point. Coronavirus is highly contagious and infectious. Average people are not used to quarantining themselves because of a cough. That has changed. We are quarantining heathy people at this point.

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I never said she should've quarantined herself. I said she shouldn't have been hugging people after knowing she was sick. Common sense.

Josie said:

I never said she should've quarantined herself. I said she shouldn't have been hugging people after knowing she was sick. Common sense.

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So now you’re calling a woman reckless because she hugged people knowing she was sick. That sounds ridiculous. You’re a teacher. How many times have you worked knowing your sick or feel like you’re getting sick? Have you used your judgement meter to analyze any of your own actions?

SheWolf said:

So now you’re calling a woman reckless because she hugged people knowing she was sick. That sounds ridiculous. You’re a teacher. How many times have you worked knowing your sick or feel like you’re getting sick? Have you used your judgement meter to analyze any of your own actions?

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Um... I was sick a few months ago. I stayed home for several days. When I went back to work, I didn't hug, shake hands or touch anyone in any way - I kept my distance. I used a Clorox wipe on my desk, small group table, computers and anything else the students might touch every day.

Yes, anyone who knows they are sick or have been sick recently hugging 75 people is reckless. How on earth you think that's ridiculous is beyond me.

Josie said:

Um... I was sick a few months ago. I stayed home for several days. When I went back to work, I didn't hug, shake hands or touch anyone in any way - I kept my distance. I used a Clorox wipe on my desk, small group table, computers and anything else the students might touch every day.

Yes, anyone who knows they are sick or have been sick recently hugging 75 people is reckless. How on earth you think that's ridiculous is beyond me.

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It depends on what you’re sick with. Asthma and allergies are not contagious. I am prone to developing bronchitis. Bronchitis is contagious until antibiotics begin. Then you wait for a period of time. Depending on the situation, you’re not putting other people in danger because you are sick.

We don’t know what she thought she had at the beginning of her cough.

I am refraining from calling her early actions reckless, because I don’t know what she was thinking or her concerns

Bullseye said:

Wow! 10,000 rpm spin. Well done.

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So 60k we know about

What is your estimation of those who are infected but asymptomatic?

The numbers say about 25% of all age groups above 19 get sick. Sick enough to merit a test.

So 75% are contagious but not sick enough to get tested.

240,000 is 4x60,000. Actually, it would be 300,000.

I forgot to add the 60,000 we know about.

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So 60k we know about

What is your estimation of those who are infected but asymptomatic?

The numbers say about 25% of all age groups above 19 get sick. Sick enough to merit a test.

So 75% are contagious but not sick enough to get tested.

240,000 is 4x60,000. Actually, it would be 300,000.

I forgot to add the 60,000 we know about.

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Number salad. YAWN.

Bullseye said:

Number salad. YAWN.

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Yup. Math is hard.

Catching a virus is easy.

Nature should solve our problem.

Nice knowing you!

SheWolf said:

The first case in the state of Illinois was a nurse. She was in her 30s, and thought her asthma was acting up. She died. Back in Feb, if people were simply sneezing and coughing, they didn’t think it was coronavirus. I have asthma and allergies. I am coughing and having so much congestion I sometimes don’t have a voice. If I felt this way in Feb, I would go to a funeral too. We weren’t on lock down then.

I don’t know everything about the woman’s actions. It doesn’t sound like she had all symptoms like a high fever right away either. All we know, she has been diagnosed with Pneumonia. Pneumonia could entirely explain her illness, but she is complaining antibiotics are not doing enough. She wants a test. She should be tested.

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The poor woman had to beg to be tested for two damned weeks, and after she finally was tested, it was almost another two weeks before she got results! That was supposed to be the crux and context of the story! Thank you for seeing that immediately, and speaking up. I appreciate it.

What chaffed my ass was the instant Blame-The-Victim mentality that hit this thread like a loaded semi, and that blame-the-victim mentality made me think of rape victims, so I made a stupid analogy while in a huff. Wrong move, because then this poor victim was being cast as the "rapist" in such a scenario! :lol:

There are days when I remember exactly why I like pets more than people, lol. Anyway, thanks for actually, you know, getting it!

Time for a little reminder of what was going on in the White House from late January through early March:

DiAnna said:

To Whom It May Concern.

I honestly wonder if y'all are reading a different article than I am. I'm reading the link in the OP, and nowhere does it say this woman knew she had corona virus and was told by doctors she was infecting others or was violating "medical advice". In February, corona virus was being downplayed by the government and she had no reason to suspect she was infected with anything. In early March, she got sick, immediately suspected Covid-19 and spent literally weeks trying to get tested.

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Then you read it wrong. She got sick in late February. She went to jury duty and a funeral after getting sick, with symptoms consistent with Covid.

The medical advice all over the news at the time was to stay home if you're sick. Social distancing. And she was a doctor. She knew that.

That failure of testing and readiness is the entire crux of this article; this woman was a doctor, she strongly suspected she had Covid-19 in early March but she could not get a test. There is a blow-by-blow description of her desperate attempts to get both medical help and proper testing. After two weeks, she finally got a test... but the results were delayed by ten days.

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Yeah, she "strongly suspected" it, but still apparently didn't warn people she was around of her suspicions without a test result.

You don't need a test to tell others you "strongly suspect" that you have Covid-19. It's something she just plain should have done.

My annoyance is with people who just read the damned headline and decided that this woman, who was a doctor, ran around infecting just about everyone on the planet, when in fact she actually had no idea in February that she was ill.

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Incorrect. The article says quite explicitly that she got sick in late February, before she attended jury duty and the funeral.

That's way beyond the headline. (Given what the headline is, that doesn't even make sense anyway.)

So yeah, I pretty much snapped at the completely moronic responses heaping some kind of evil-intentioned blame on a woman whose only crime was being unable to get the medical care and testing that she and hundreds of thousands of others needed. Sue me.

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No, you "snapped" because it's your knee-jerk reaction to people you just don't like, and you didn't read the article very well.

No one said she was "evil-intentioned." We said she was irresponsible, and she was.

And because of that, you say she's like a "rape victim" being shamed. That's just plain ridiculous.