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    Re: Powerful letter written by ER doc to Trump

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    I don't have to be in direct contact to read what he writes and listen to what he says. It's public information.
    You don't have to be in direct contact with his mushroom in order to sound like you're caressing it either.
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    Re: Powerful letter written by ER doc to Trump

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    You don't have to be in direct contact with his mushroom in order to sound like you're caressing it either.
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    Re: Powerful letter written by ER doc to Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Great letter, even if it is written to a sociopath, a man who is incapable of feeling compassion, empathy or sympathy.

    Could you post a link?
    Yes, sorry, I forgot. Here it is:

    I'''m An ER Doctor In NYC. Trump'''s Coronavirus Plan Isn'''t Just Dangerous, It'''s Deadly.

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    Re: Powerful letter written by ER doc to Trump

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    You don't have to be in direct contact with his mushroom in order to sound like you're caressing it either.
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    Re: Powerful letter written by ER doc to Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Great letter, even if it is written to a sociopath, a man who is incapable of feeling compassion, empathy or sympathy.

    Could you post a link?
    ....and written to an illiterate who can't read or understand anything.
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    Re: Powerful letter written by ER doc to Trump

    Regardless of the posters here berating her for "playing politics", my intent when posting her letter was to give a snapshot of what healthcare workers are experiencing. A couple of days ago I posted that in Italy 5,400 healthcare workers had caught the virus, 1 in 5 of those directly involved in COVID-19 care, and they were running out of everything, masks, gloves, ventilators. A doctor who died said, right before his respiratory system collapsed, that he had to tend to a patient without gloves because they ran out of them and if he didn't the patient would have died. Then, the doctor caught the disease and died.

    And still, people here continue to post to minimize the situation, including a post in this very thread (like in post #30, "We are gonna find out that this is not nearly as deadly as once thought."). People don't seem to realize that when you allow the healthcare system to get overwhelmed (like is happening in Italy), two things happen:

    1. You run out of means to save people from dying from COVID-19, who could have been saved. That's what Andrew Cuomo was saying as recently as yesterday, when he lamented that he received 400 ventilators from the feds when he needed 30,000.

    Cuomo knocks Trump'''s claim about NY and ventilators - ABC News

    2. People start dying of other conditions that go untreated because the hospitals run out of beds to assist them and experience shortages of healthcare workers (who go into quarantine themselves as they catch the virus too) or the workers are too exhausted therefore become more error-prone. Where do you suppose victims of car crashes, heart attacks, severe asthma crises, etc., etc., get treated if the entire ER and the entire hospital is clogged up with COVID-19 patients? Here in my state, many hospitals are cancelling elective surgeries already because they are bracing for the onslaught and want to use their surgical ventilators used in anesthesia, to treat COVID-19 patients.

    So, no, let's not start underestimating it, and start thinking of going back to normalcy prematurely, because flattening the curve is essential to keeping the healthcare system functioning.

    And what is wrong with someone acting in a political capacity? All citizens should be encouraged to exercise political participation.

    This kind of comment would never be made in a country like Switzerland where all citizens make most of the important decisions via frequent referendums. Sure, they are small, we are big, we can't implement here their mode of government, but this is just a reminder that yes, the people should be political. There is nothing wrong with being political. The doctor sent a letter to the president. That's no crime.

    People saying this doctor should shut up, stop being political, and just treat patients which is her area of expertise... what, then, she shouldn't vote, either?

    Because when she votes she is being political, too. Again, there is nothing wrong with a lawful citizen of the United States being political. Gee!
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    Re: Powerful letter written by ER doc to Trump

    here is anther letter from a local ER Nurse that deserves a read:
    CDC recommending hospital staff use bandanas when masks run out. Hospitals are asking the public to sew masks. Here is a physician responding:

    Please don't tell me that in the richest country in the world in the 21st century, I'm supposed to work in a fictionalized Soviet-era disaster zone and fashion my own face mask out of cloth because other Americans hoard supplies for personal use and so-called leaders sit around in meetings hearing themselves talk. I ran to a bedside the other day to intubate a crashing, likely COVID, patient. Two respiratory therapists and two nurses were already at the bedside. That's 5 N95s masks, 5 gowns, 5 face shields and 10 gloves for one patient at one time. I saw probably 15-20 patients that shift, if we are going to start rationing supplies, what percentage should I wear precautions for?

    Make no mistake, the CDC is loosening these guidelines because our country is not prepared. Loosening guidelines increases healthcare workers' risk but the decision is done to allow us to keep working, not to keep us safe. It is done for the public benefit - so I can continue to work no matter the personal cost to me or my family (and my healthcare family). Sending healthcare workers to the front line asking them to cover their face with a bandana is akin to sending a soldier to the front line in a t-shirt and flip flops.

    I don't want talk. I don't want assurances. I want action. I want boxes of N95s piling up, donated from the people who hoarded them. I want non-clinical administrators in the hospital lining up in the ER asking if they can stock shelves to make sure that when I need to rush into a room, the drawer of PPE equipment I open isn't empty. I want them showing up in the ER asking "how can I help" instead of offering shallow "plans" conceived by someone who has spent far too long in an ivory tower and not long enough in the trenches. Maybe they should actually step foot in the trenches.

    I want billion-dollar companies like 3M halting all production of any product that isn't PPE to focus on PPE manufacturing. I want a company like Amazon, with its logistics mastery (it can drop a package to your door less than 24 hours after ordering it), halting its 2-day delivery of 12 reams of toilet paper to whoever is willing to pay the most in order to help get the available PPE supply distributed fast and efficiently in a manner that gets the necessary materials to my brothers and sisters in arms who need them.

    I want Proctor and Gamble, and the makers of other soaps and detergents, stepping up too. We need detergent to clean scrubs, hospital linens and gowns. We need disinfecting wipes to clean desk and computer surfaces. What about plastics manufacturers? Plastic gowns aren't some high-tech device, they are long shirts/smocks...made out of plastic. Get on it. Face shields are just clear plastic. Nitrile gloves? Yeah, they are pretty much just gloves...made from something that isn't apparently Latex. Let's go. Money talks in this country. Executive millionaires, why don't you spend a few bucks to buy back some of these masks from the hoarders, and drop them off at the nearest hospital.

    I love biotechnology and research but we need to divert viral culture media for COVID testing and research. We need biotechnology manufacturing ready and able to ramp up if and when treatments or vaccines are developed. Our Botox supply isn't critical, but our antibiotic supply is. We need to be able to make more plastic ET tubes, not more silicon breast implants.

    Let's see all that. Then we can all talk about how we played our part in this fight. Netflix and chill is not enough while my family, friends and colleagues are out there fighting. Our country won two world wars because the entire country mobilized. We out-produced and we out-manufactured while our soldiers out-fought the enemy. We need to do that again because make no mistake, we are at war, healthcare workers are your soldiers, and the war has just begun.
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    Re: Powerful letter written by ER doc to Trump

    And this post, in another thread - a thread started precisely to minimize the problem, the "no big deal" mindset - contains another testimony from another nurse:

    https://www.debatepolitics.com/covid...post1071565666

    Why exactly are people still trying to deny this HUGE issue? Do they think that if they stick their heads in the sand the problem will magically disappear???

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    Re: Powerful letter written by ER doc to Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    here is anther letter from a local ER Nurse that deserves a read:

    valid points and excellent suggestions were made
    Yep, but according to some posters here, this other nurse must be also wrong because he/she is playing politics instead of nursing.

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    Re: Powerful letter written by ER doc to Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    Nobody in the ivory tower is telling her how to treat patients, are they? That's her area of expertise.

    Keeping a country of 325,000,000 people running is beyond her training. She's made an input. Good for her.
    It's way beyond Trump's also.

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