Panic Over High Death Rate

code1211 · Mar 24, 2020

There has recently been a panic over the high mortality rate of victims of Covid-19. Any high death count is alarming.

Here are some other high mortality counts from this year to date as of March 24, 2020 at about 8:30 pm or so.

These other mortality count causes don't seem to attract much attention. Covid-19 is also listed for comparison. All of these causes are listed in the same section at Worldometer.

ALL of these numbers reflect this year only, year to date.

1. Abortions: 9,757,860
2. Smoking: 1,147,165
3. Road Traffic: 309,909
4. Suicide: 246,191
5. Regular Flu: 111,595
6. Covid-19: 18,810

Worldometer - real time world statistics

The national goal for the huge number of folks to shelter at home for a few weeks is to flatten the curve so our hospital system is not overrun with all of the cases front loaded during the course of the national epidemic.

When the shelter at home is ended, the pandemic around the world and the epidemic here in the US will not be over. In truth, it may get worse.

However, the hospital system we have will be able to handle the flattened curve demand. There may be drug therapies proven to distribute at that point and there may not be. Certainly, there will not be a vaccine.

This interruption in our lives is not to eradicate the disease from the US before Easter.

It is intended to slow the initial onslaught of Covid-19 victims needing care to a pace at which our hospital system might provide beds in hospitals for the newly struck victims as needed.

Just sayin'... Our social distancing will probably need to evolve as we incorporate a new normal into our lives at the time(s) we return to our normal lives.

ecofarm · Mar 24, 2020

code1211 said:
There has recently been a panic over the high mortality rate of victims of Covid-19. Any high death count is alarming.

Citation needed. Are you referring to the mythical "Democrat politicization"?

code1211 · Mar 25, 2020

ecofarm said:
Citation needed. Are you referring to the mythical "Democrat politicization"?

Don't you just hate it when a poster edits your post for no other reason than to change the meaning and then presents it as if they have not changed anything?

Kreton · Mar 25, 2020

code1211 said:
There has recently been a panic over the high mortality rate of victims of Covid-19. Any high death count is alarming.

Here are some other high mortality counts from this year to date as of March 24, 2020 at about 8:30 pm or so.

These other mortality count causes don't seem to attract much attention. Covid-19 is also listed for comparison. All of these causes are listed in the same section at Worldometer.

ALL of these numbers reflect this year only, year to date.

1. Abortions: 9,757,860
2. Smoking: 1,147,165
3. Road Traffic: 309,909
4. Suicide: 246,191
5. Regular Flu: 111,595
6. Covid-19: 18,810

Worldometer - real time world statistics

The national goal for the huge number of folks to shelter at home for a few weeks is to flatten the curve so our hospital system is not overrun with all of the cases front loaded during the course of the national epidemic.

When the shelter at home is ended, the pandemic around the world and the epidemic here in the US will not be over. In truth, it may get worse.

However, the hospital system we have will be able to handle the flattened curve demand. There may be drug therapies proven to distribute at that point and there may not be. Certainly, there will not be a vaccine.

This interruption in our lives is not to eradicate the disease from the US before Easter.

It is intended to slow the initial onslaught of Covid-19 victims needing care to a pace at which our hospital system might provide beds in hospitals for the newly struck victims as needed.

Just sayin'... Our social distancing will probably need to evolve as we incorporate a new normal into our lives at the time(s) we return to our normal lives.

You people can keep posting this stupid crap but it doesn't change anything.

The reason COVID-19 hasn't killed more people is because the world has taken measures to limit it. It doesn't take a great deal of intelligence to understand that. Under good conditions, this virus kills 1-2% of people. When hospitals get over run and cannot treat it can get up to 10% (see Italy). When hospitals get over run there are also additional impacts such as they ability to treat other conditions like heart attacks, strokes, car accidents, flus, and the list goes on and on and on. With a world pop of 7 billion the death toll can get out of control insanely quick, and as hospitals overcrowd, loved ones are dying from covid and lack of treatment people will turn violent.

Luckily most of the world is taking measures to prevent this. The repercussions of this virus are known. The only problem seemingly is they decided to take action to prevent the wide spread damage, which is keeping deaths low and that is upsetting blood hungry morons who want to wait until enough people have died to take it seriously.

Cardinal · Mar 25, 2020

code1211 said:
There has recently been a panic over the high mortality rate of victims of Covid-19. Any high death count is alarming.

Here are some other high mortality counts from this year to date as of March 24, 2020 at about 8:30 pm or so.

These other mortality count causes don't seem to attract much attention. Covid-19 is also listed for comparison. All of these causes are listed in the same section at Worldometer.

ALL of these numbers reflect this year only, year to date.

1. Abortions: 9,757,860
2. Smoking: 1,147,165
3. Road Traffic: 309,909
4. Suicide: 246,191
5. Regular Flu: 111,595
6. Covid-19: 18,810

Worldometer - real time world statistics

The national goal for the huge number of folks to shelter at home for a few weeks is to flatten the curve so our hospital system is not overrun with all of the cases front loaded during the course of the national epidemic.

When the shelter at home is ended, the pandemic around the world and the epidemic here in the US will not be over. In truth, it may get worse.

However, the hospital system we have will be able to handle the flattened curve demand. There may be drug therapies proven to distribute at that point and there may not be. Certainly, there will not be a vaccine.

This interruption in our lives is not to eradicate the disease from the US before Easter.

It is intended to slow the initial onslaught of Covid-19 victims needing care to a pace at which our hospital system might provide beds in hospitals for the newly struck victims as needed.

Just sayin'... Our social distancing will probably need to evolve as we incorporate a new normal into our lives at the time(s) we return to our normal lives.

Well then, go right ahead and re-open your kissing booth at the fair.

jet57 · Mar 25, 2020

code1211 said:
There has recently been a panic over the high mortality rate of victims of Covid-19. Any high death count is alarming.

Here are some other high mortality counts from this year to date as of March 24, 2020 at about 8:30 pm or so.

These other mortality count causes don't seem to attract much attention. Covid-19 is also listed for comparison. All of these causes are listed in the same section at Worldometer.

ALL of these numbers reflect this year only, year to date.

1. Abortions: 9,757,860
2. Smoking: 1,147,165
3. Road Traffic: 309,909
4. Suicide: 246,191
5. Regular Flu: 111,595
6. Covid-19: 18,810

Worldometer - real time world statistics

The national goal for the huge number of folks to shelter at home for a few weeks is to flatten the curve so our hospital system is not overrun with all of the cases front loaded during the course of the national epidemic.

When the shelter at home is ended, the pandemic around the world and the epidemic here in the US will not be over. In truth, it may get worse.

However, the hospital system we have will be able to handle the flattened curve demand. There may be drug therapies proven to distribute at that point and there may not be. Certainly, there will not be a vaccine.

This interruption in our lives is not to eradicate the disease from the US before Easter.

It is intended to slow the initial onslaught of Covid-19 victims needing care to a pace at which our hospital system might provide beds in hospitals for the newly struck victims as needed.

Just sayin'... Our social distancing will probably need to evolve as we incorporate a new normal into our lives at the time(s) we return to our normal lives.

Where's the panic? Do you have a link?

Cardinal · Mar 25, 2020

Of the list of events that led to death, the valid comparisons are traffic deaths and the flu.

The mortality rate for traffic accidents is currently 14 times less than cv19, and I can’t tell you exactly what that is for the flu because I don’t know how many Americans have been infected with it this year, but going with the annual average of .1, that makes it 13 times less deadly than cv19.

Binary_Digit · Mar 25, 2020

Raw numbers aren't helpful. They'll say that the flu kills ~10x more people, but they don't say that the flu has infected ~100x more people which means the flu is actually ~10x less lethal, on average (numbers are illustrative, not intended to be accurate). But perspective is good, so comparing and contrasting is a legitimate endeavor. COVID is said to have a ~10% mortality rate among seniors 65 and older. I've been trying to find comparable flu mortality rates for 65 and older but I swear that data has been scrubbed from the web and/or hidden behind paywalls. Do I need a tin foil hat or is my Google-fu sucking that badly?

ecofarm · Mar 25, 2020

code1211 said:
Don't you just hate it when a poster edits your post for no other reason than to change the meaning and then presents it as if they have not changed anything?

You object vehemently to the quoting and questioning of your opening sentence. Your very first sentence in the OP cannot stand up to confrontation. When it is questioned, you immediately go into victim mode, "you've treated me unfairly!" That's because your premise is BS intended to set up the horse**** that follows.

No citation. No sources. Only victim-narrative poor-Trump ass-sucking.

It's obvious the entire OP is moronic bs. You can't even defend the first sentence without screaming, "I'm a victim!"

Trump and his supporters are perpetual epic victims. Some time ago, they gave up trying to claim he is competent or does anything well. It's all victim all the time these days, for him and his cult.

code1211 · Mar 26, 2020

Kreton said:
You people can keep posting this stupid crap but it doesn't change anything.

The reason COVID-19 hasn't killed more people is because the world has taken measures to limit it. It doesn't take a great deal of intelligence to understand that. Under good conditions, this virus kills 1-2% of people. When hospitals get over run and cannot treat it can get up to 10% (see Italy). When hospitals get over run there are also additional impacts such as they ability to treat other conditions like heart attacks, strokes, car accidents, flus, and the list goes on and on and on. With a world pop of 7 billion the death toll can get out of control insanely quick, and as hospitals overcrowd, loved ones are dying from covid and lack of treatment people will turn violent.

Luckily most of the world is taking measures to prevent this. The repercussions of this virus are known. The only problem seemingly is they decided to take action to prevent the wide spread damage, which is keeping deaths low and that is upsetting blood hungry morons who want to wait until enough people have died to take it seriously.

Maybe I was misreading your post, but it read like it was argumentative.

NOTHING you wrote contradicted anything I wrote. Did you intend to refute, counter what I posted?

code1211 · Mar 26, 2020

Cardinal said:
Well then, go right ahead and re-open your kissing booth at the fair.

Sorry. Turns out that business went upside down..

Now, you can only kiss my ---.

code1211 · Mar 26, 2020

jet57 said:
Where's the panic? Do you have a link?

When I Googled Coronavirus panic, I got 324,000,000 hits. Here's one.

Coronavirus Panic Buying Puts Grocery Workers and Shoppers at Risk of Infection — ProPublica

[h=2]Coronavirus Panic Buying Puts Grocery Workers and Shoppers at Risk of Infection[/h]Braving grocery store crowds when you’re already stocked up puts you at risk of getting sick or infecting others, including elderly workers and others who have no choice but to be there.
by Alexandra Zayas
March 16, 9:18 a.m. EDT
[h=2][/h]

code1211 · Mar 26, 2020

Cardinal said:
Of the list of events that led to death, the valid comparisons are traffic deaths and the flu.

The mortality rate for traffic accidents is currently 14 times less than cv19, and I can’t tell you exactly what that is for the flu because I don’t know how many Americans have been infected with it this year, but going with the annual average of .1, that makes it 13 times less deadly than cv19.

I'm sure that people who die from other causes are gratified that they are dying in a pursuit that works at a lower rate.

Hopefully, the rate of deaths and spread will slow as the pandemic goes forward.

In China, the death charted in a curve as described by Dr. Fauci seems to have gone down and is not a constantly rising tide. The other death causing issues listed seem to move forward pretty steadily in normal times.

Regarding the appropriateness of grouping of the death causing issues, you need to take that up with Worldometers.

China Coronavirus: 81,285 Cases and 3,287 Deaths - Worldometer

Cardinal · Mar 26, 2020

code1211 said:
I'm sure that people who die from other causes are gratified that they are dying in a pursuit that works at a lower rate.

Hopefully, the rate of deaths and spread will slow as the pandemic goes forward.

In China, the death charted in a curve as described by Dr. Fauci seems to have gone down and is not a constantly rising tide. The other death causing issues listed seem to move forward pretty steadily in normal times.

Regarding the appropriateness of grouping of the death causing issues, you need to take that up with Worldometers.

China Coronavirus: 81,285 Cases and 3,287 Deaths - Worldometer

Why have their cases and mortalities slowed?

code1211 · Mar 26, 2020

Binary_Digit said:
Raw numbers aren't helpful. They'll say that the flu kills ~10x more people, but they don't say that the flu has infected ~100x more people which means the flu is actually ~10x less lethal, on average (numbers are illustrative, not intended to be accurate). But perspective is good, so comparing and contrasting is a legitimate endeavor. COVID is said to have a ~10% mortality rate among seniors 65 and older. I've been trying to find comparable flu mortality rates for 65 and older but I swear that data has been scrubbed from the web and/or hidden behind paywalls. Do I need a tin foil hat or is my Google-fu sucking that badly?

I often listen carefully to what is being/has been said by "experts" checking for sensibility.

This morning, the NBC Morning propaganda used the word apocalyptic while flashing an image of a DJIA Futures report at -600+ points. The DJIA futures were actually about minus 100+points. DJIA are up 156 at about 9:20 am EDT.

Dr. Deborah Brix said yesterday that the vast majority of the cases counted right now were contracted BEFORE social distancing was practiced widely. Has this been widely reported? Not sure. Seems unlikely given the Yellow Journalism practiced widely.

She expects the curves to show flattening soon as the effects of Social Distancing are reflected in the data. We can all hope that she's right.

Regarding the comparisons to other death causing issues, this would only serve to blunt the nature and scope of the possible severity of this issue. It seems that this blunting would be inappropriate at this time.

Perhaps over the next couple weeks, inciting enough unthinking, reflexive fear to inspire social distancing and thereby impede the spread may be a very good thing.

code1211 · Mar 26, 2020

ecofarm said:
You object vehemently to the quoting and questioning of your opening sentence. Your very first sentence in the OP cannot stand up to confrontation. When it is questioned, you immediately go into victim mode, "you've treated me unfairly!" That's because your premise is BS intended to set up the horse**** that follows.

No citation. No sources. Only victim-narrative poor-Trump ass-sucking.

It's obvious the entire OP is moronic bs. You can't even defend the first sentence without screaming, "I'm a victim!"

Trump and his supporters are perpetual epic victims. Some time ago, they gave up trying to claim he is competent or does anything well. It's all victim all the time these days, for him and his cult.

Your rationalization of your rude and stupid response is noted.

code1211 · Mar 26, 2020

Cardinal said:
Why have their cases and mortalities slowed?

That's an interesting question which I am, obviously, not qualified to answer with any authority.

Listening to folks who do seem qualified to answer it, they refer to a couple things.

One is that the folks who are least equipped to fight this off did/will die first. Those with an adequate level of immunity/resistance who were infected but did not die and probably won't in this go-round are developing levels of immunity.

Those that had a lesser problem once infected were already resistant. As these folks' immunity systems work to fight this virus, they become even less vulnerable to it. I've heard this referred to as "Herd Immunity".

Every person that got infected but didn't die is a possible road map to a solution. Our genius doctors and scientists are working hard to find a good path out of this.

Our less than genius politicians are trying to find a way to convert social distancing into social engineering.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Cardinal · Mar 26, 2020

code1211 said:
That's an interesting question which I am, obviously, not qualified to answer with any authority.

Listening to folks who do seem qualified to answer it, they refer to a couple things.

One is that the folks who are going to die from this did/will die first. Those with an adequate level of immunity/resistance who were infected but did not die and probably won't in this go-round are developing levels of immunity.

Those that had a lesser problem once infected were already resistant. As these folks' immunity systems work to fight this virus, they become even less vulnerable to it. I've heard this referred to as "Herd Immunity".

Every person that got infected but didn't die is a possible road map to a solution. Our genius doctors and scientists are working hard to find a good path out of this.

Our less than genius politicians are trying to find a way to convert social distancing into social engineering.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

I think you need to google “herd immunity.” When you do, you’ll see the problem with your theory.

Kreton · Mar 26, 2020

code1211 said:
Maybe I was misreading your post, but it read like it was argumentative.

NOTHING you wrote contradicted anything I wrote. Did you intend to refute, counter what I posted?

This is what is what I am countering in your post.

ALL of these numbers reflect this year only, year to date.

1. Abortions: 9,757,860
2. Smoking: 1,147,165
3. Road Traffic: 309,909
4. Suicide: 246,191
5. Regular Flu: 111,595
6. Covid-19: 18,810

Lumping COVID-19 in with these things serves what purpose other than to minimize the potential of this virus? The threat that COVID-19 brings has nothing in common with the threat of these things. None. So lumping them all together to show it hasn't killed enough only shows you don't understand why the numbers are low, or why it is different than suicide.

COTO · Mar 26, 2020

12 Experts Questioning the Coronavirus Panic (bold by me):

[The government’s anti-COVID19 measures] are grotesque, absurd and very dangerous […] The life expectancy of millions is being shortened. The horrifying impact on the world economy threatens the existence of countless people. The consequences on medical care are profound. Already services to patients in need are reduced, operations cancelled, practices empty, hospital personnel dwindling. All this will impact profoundly on our whole society.

All these measures are leading to self-destruction and collective suicide based on nothing but a spook.

...

Politicians are being courted by scientists…scientists who want to be important to get money for their institutions. Scientists who just swim along in the mainstream and want their part of it […] And what is missing right now is a rational way of looking at things.

We should be asking questions like “How did you find out this virus was dangerous?”, “How was it before?”, “Didn’t we have the same thing last year?”, “Is it even something new?”

That’s missing.

...

The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the death rate from Covid-19 is much higher.

[…]

Could the Covid-19 case fatality rate be that low? No, some say, pointing to the high rate in elderly people. However, even some so-called mild or common-cold-type coronaviruses that have been known for decades can have case fatality rates as high as 8% when they infect elderly people in nursing homes.

[…]

If we had not known about a new virus out there, and had not checked individuals with PCR tests, the number of total deaths due to “influenza-like illness” would not seem unusual this year. At most, we might have casually noted that flu this season seems to be a bit worse than average.

As this thing goes on, it seems increasingly evident that when we look at the smoking crater left in the aftermath of C19, the question on everyone's mind won't be "How could we have done more?" so much as "How could we lose our minds to panic so easily?"

JasperL said:
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Here's another 12 ___________ for you.

jet57 · Mar 26, 2020

code1211 said:
When I Googled Coronavirus panic, I got 324,000,000 hits. Here's one.

Coronavirus Panic Buying Puts Grocery Workers and Shoppers at Risk of Infection — ProPublica

[h=2]Coronavirus Panic Buying Puts Grocery Workers and Shoppers at Risk of Infection[/h]Braving grocery store crowds when you’re already stocked up puts you at risk of getting sick or infecting others, including elderly workers and others who have no choice but to be there.
by Alexandra Zayas
March 16, 9:18 a.m. EDT
[h=2][/h]

That's not panic over death rates. That's hoarding.

code1211 · Mar 27, 2020

Cardinal said:
Why have their cases and mortalities slowed?

I don't know. There are various data gathering differences, rates of testing and so forth.

The slowing could be actual and could be a product of the data gathering or publishing.

Lots of questions and the answers will probably not be certain for years to come. Data from China and Russia seem very suspect as compared to other countries.

code1211 · Mar 27, 2020

Cardinal said:
I think you need to google “herd immunity.” When you do, you’ll see the problem with your theory.

As I said, I listened to others. Not my theory.

EMNofSeattle · Mar 27, 2020

Cardinal said:
Of the list of events that led to death, the valid comparisons are traffic deaths and the flu.

The mortality rate for traffic accidents is currently 14 times less than cv19, and I can’t tell you exactly what that is for the flu because I don’t know how many Americans have been infected with it this year, but going with the annual average of .1, that makes it 13 times less deadly than cv19.

Except the rate for Covid 19 as presented by the media is extrordinarily high and is likely completely off base.

goodbyte · Mar 27, 2020

Cardinal said:
I think you need to google “herd immunity.” When you do, you’ll see the problem with your theory.

Herd immunity does work to some degree though, but I agree it's not the ideal model to implement (particularly since most healthcare systems can't handle the peak). Even the current social distancing models incorporate it as part of the larger strategy.

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