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Panic Over High Death Rate

There has recently been a panic over the high mortality rate of victims of Covid-19. Any high death count is alarming.

Here are some other high mortality counts from this year to date as of March 24, 2020 at about 8:30 pm or so.

These other mortality count causes don't seem to attract much attention. Covid-19 is also listed for comparison. All of these causes are listed in the same section at Worldometer.

ALL of these numbers reflect this year only, year to date.

1. Abortions: 9,757,860
2. Smoking: 1,147,165
3. Road Traffic: 309,909
4. Suicide: 246,191
5. Regular Flu: 111,595
6. Covid-19: 18,810

Worldometer - real time world statistics

The national goal for the huge number of folks to shelter at home for a few weeks is to flatten the curve so our hospital system is not overrun with all of the cases front loaded during the course of the national epidemic.

When the shelter at home is ended, the pandemic around the world and the epidemic here in the US will not be over. In truth, it may get worse.

However, the hospital system we have will be able to handle the flattened curve demand. There may be drug therapies proven to distribute at that point and there may not be. Certainly, there will not be a vaccine.

This interruption in our lives is not to eradicate the disease from the US before Easter.

It is intended to slow the initial onslaught of Covid-19 victims needing care to a pace at which our hospital system might provide beds in hospitals for the newly struck victims as needed.

Just sayin'... Our social distancing will probably need to evolve as we incorporate a new normal into our lives at the time(s) we return to our normal lives.

1-4 are self inflicted and entirely avoidable. Even traffic accidents, the majority caused by stupidity. It's not a good comparison at all. They are also not responsible for flooding our hospitals and straining the availability of medical equipment and personnel.
 
Raw numbers aren't helpful. They'll say that the flu kills ~10x more people, but they don't say that the flu has infected ~100x more people which means the flu is actually ~10x less lethal, on average (numbers are illustrative, not intended to be accurate).

It doesn't matter when right here now, a new disease killed almost a thousand people in Italy in one day.
 
It seems likely that the MLB season will not occur this year. The Olympics were postponed to next year.

Here in Indy, the Brickyard 400, the Indianapolis 500 and the Grand Prix have been re-scheduled or otherwise re-jiggered.

The reality is that we will not have an immunity to this thing in the short term future and that life goes on.

At what level of partial eradication of the virus do you feel we need to be in order for people to go back to work, to church or to school?

It has to happen at some point and it's likely that this virus will be with us as are other strains of flu going forward forever.

When does the self quarantine end? Are you recommending that we accept the fact that we will never leave our homes again?

I don't know when it will be safe to return to more normal circumstances, that should be up the Medical community and those doctor's that specialize in this area.
Taking an educated guess, I would think things may start reopening and getting back to normal someplace around the end of April and through May, it will be gradual as it was when it started. Currently we lack the ability to test and I think until we do have that ability the medical community will have to error on the side of caution, to return too soon could be a recipe for disaster.
 
There has recently been a panic over the high mortality rate of victims of Covid-19. Any high death count is alarming.

Here are some other high mortality counts from this year to date as of March 24, 2020 at about 8:30 pm or so.

These other mortality count causes don't seem to attract much attention. Covid-19 is also listed for comparison. All of these causes are listed in the same section at Worldometer.

ALL of these numbers reflect this year only, year to date.

1. Abortions: 9,757,860
2. Smoking: 1,147,165
3. Road Traffic: 309,909
4. Suicide: 246,191
5. Regular Flu: 111,595
6. Covid-19: 18,810

Worldometer - real time world statistics

The national goal for the huge number of folks to shelter at home for a few weeks is to flatten the curve so our hospital system is not overrun with all of the cases front loaded during the course of the national epidemic.

When the shelter at home is ended, the pandemic around the world and the epidemic here in the US will not be over. In truth, it may get worse.

However, the hospital system we have will be able to handle the flattened curve demand. There may be drug therapies proven to distribute at that point and there may not be. Certainly, there will not be a vaccine.

This interruption in our lives is not to eradicate the disease from the US before Easter.

It is intended to slow the initial onslaught of Covid-19 victims needing care to a pace at which our hospital system might provide beds in hospitals for the newly struck victims as needed.

Just sayin'... Our social distancing will probably need to evolve as we incorporate a new normal into our lives at the time(s) we return to our normal lives.

What is the purpose of the list?

Here's mine:

Iraq 5,000
Vietnam 50,000
Civil War 500,000

See where I'm going here?
 
Your post:

"Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
That's not panic over death rates. That's hoarding."

Maybe you can help me out by clarifying whatever it is you meant.

I asked to to provide link that supports your title: "Panic Over High Death Rate"

You produce a link that is about hoarding...

Where's the link to support "Panic" about death rates?
 
We need to not swamp our super expensive crap medical system,

especially so long as massive mismanagement

makes it impossible to supply reasonable PPE.

Political systems die at the hand of this level of failure to perform.

Our medical system seems to be working pretty well. More testing has been done here than anywhere and the volumes are rising and the speed of testing is improving. From test to result will soon be down to about 15 minutes. That's pretty impressive.

Massive mismanagement? In what way? Examples?

Reasonable PPE? The country is converting production to fill the needs as it fills the pipeline(s). Due to volumes needed, this is changing the way business is done. The supply problems are being remedied by a great, national, coordinated response.

Failure to perform? You seem entirely unaware of the immense and ongoing, awesome performance displayed by many, many entities in many, many topic areas across the entire country and economy.

Are you helping in any way or simply sitting back and sniping at the efforts of those who are working their tails off?

I've been very impressed by the cooperative and voluntary, for the most part, response by the individual people, the various states, private enterprise and the Feds.

This is the way it's suppose ta be.
 
1-4 are self inflicted and entirely avoidable. Even traffic accidents, the majority caused by stupidity. It's not a good comparison at all. They are also not responsible for flooding our hospitals and straining the availability of medical equipment and personnel.

The deaths inflicted during abortion are, I think, not self inflicted. Are the unborn dragging their mothers into the clinics?

The deaths from smoking, driving and suicide are a byproduct of the actual cause. Suicide is not a stand alone result. It's the result of a horribly debilitating psychologic al illness. Veterans suffer a higher rate than other groups. Correlation or cause?

Without knowing the exact statistics, I feel it's safe to assume that at least some road fatalities occur to passengers or to drivers doing everything right as the drunk or otherwise careless driver kills them.

Even with smoking, most smokers that are "hooked" are psychologically prone to addictive behaviors. Addictive personalities rarely embrace only one addiction. A smoker will very likely also embrace other addictive or compulsive behaviors.

In any event, though, as I said, this virus is now with us and exists within our world, national, state and local societies.

It will NOT be eradicated in two weeks, two months, two years or two decades. Pretty much exactly like the other examples listed.

I wonder if this will create the mandate for more leg room on commercial airlines... ;)
 
I don't know when it will be safe to return to more normal circumstances, that should be up the Medical community and those doctor's that specialize in this area.
Taking an educated guess, I would think things may start reopening and getting back to normal someplace around the end of April and through May, it will be gradual as it was when it started. Currently we lack the ability to test and I think until we do have that ability the medical community will have to error on the side of caution, to return too soon could be a recipe for disaster.

Lack the ability to test? Our ability to test is growing and getting very, very speedy. Currently we are testing up a storm.

People who have symptoms are getting tested. The tests reveal that as of now, we're a bit under 125,000 cases in America. The testing is coming back with a tad over a 10 or 15% positive rate. Fatalities seem to be under 2% of that.

That means about 10 times that amount of tests have been completed and have delivered results. Abbott just created and is now distributing a test kit that cuts test to result time to 5 minutes. 50,000 kits are being distributed.

The American response to this thing, from a standing start, has been astonishing! That's just my opinion, but it sure seems justified.

The question, though is how much are we going to have to give up and for how long before we get back to normal. MLB is very likely gone this year.

Olympics? Gone. Indy 500? Delayed. March Madness? Gone. Public Education? Gone. Religious services? Gone. Will this last until July 4? Labor Day? Thanksgiving? Will Football at all levels also be gone as well?

At some point, the thing will need to be accepted as a part of life.

How long will this go on?

United States Coronavirus: 123,781 Cases and 2,229 Deaths - Worldometer

Coronavirus: FDA authorizes Abbott Labs' 5-minute COVID-19 test
 
I asked to to provide link that supports your title: "Panic Over High Death Rate"

You produce a link that is about hoarding...

Where's the link to support "Panic" about death rates?

There is a panic. It was caused by the pandemic.

Are you seriously asserting that a panic gripped the world, coincidentally, with no relation in any way to the pandemic that has infected or killed people in about 150 countries.

I only ask to help me understand how far out of touch with reality you might be.

What was the cause, absent Covid-19, that incited the hoarding?
 
Why have their cases and mortalities slowed?

Did you read the entire OP or did you stop reading with the various death rates.

He stated the answer to your question in the OP. The whole social distancing thing is not about stopping the virus from spreadiing, it is about slowing the rate of the spread so the health system can keep up.

Cases and mortalities have slowed because of social distancing, incresing hospital beds, respirators, etc...

I have read some of your other posts and got the impression that you largely agree with the steps being taken. Am I wrong?
 
Did you read the entire OP or did you stop reading with the various death rates.

He stated the answer to your question in the OP. The whole social distancing thing is not about stopping the virus from spreadiing, it is about slowing the rate of the spread so the health system can keep up.

Cases and mortalities have slowed because of social distancing, incresing hospital beds, respirators, etc...

I have read some of your other posts and got the impression that you largely agree with the steps being taken. Am I wrong?

You are not wrong. You’ve misunderstood the intent behind my question.
 
There has recently been a panic over the high mortality rate of victims of Covid-19. Any high death count is alarming.

Here are some other high mortality counts from this year to date as of March 24, 2020 at about 8:30 pm or so.

These other mortality count causes don't seem to attract much attention. Covid-19 is also listed for comparison. All of these causes are listed in the same section at Worldometer.

ALL of these numbers reflect this year only, year to date.

1. Abortions: 9,757,860
2. Smoking: 1,147,165
3. Road Traffic: 309,909
4. Suicide: 246,191
5. Regular Flu: 111,595
6. Covid-19: 18,810

Worldometer - real time world statistics

The national goal for the huge number of folks to shelter at home for a few weeks is to flatten the curve so our hospital system is not overrun with all of the cases front loaded during the course of the national epidemic.

When the shelter at home is ended, the pandemic around the world and the epidemic here in the US will not be over. In truth, it may get worse.

However, the hospital system we have will be able to handle the flattened curve demand. There may be drug therapies proven to distribute at that point and there may not be. Certainly, there will not be a vaccine.

This interruption in our lives is not to eradicate the disease from the US before Easter.

It is intended to slow the initial onslaught of Covid-19 victims needing care to a pace at which our hospital system might provide beds in hospitals for the newly struck victims as needed.

Just sayin'... Our social distancing will probably need to evolve as we incorporate a new normal into our lives at the time(s) we return to our normal lives.
The numbers that are getting sick is more alarming than those that are dying. If everyone got sick at the same time, then the economy would be in far worse shape than it is now
 
You are not wrong. You’ve misunderstood the intent behind my question.

Or perhaps I misunderstood the intent behind the OP :)
 
There is a panic. It was caused by the pandemic.

Are you seriously asserting that a panic gripped the world, coincidentally, with no relation in any way to the pandemic that has infected or killed people in about 150 countries.

I only ask to help me understand how far out of touch with reality you might be.

What was the cause, absent Covid-19, that incited the hoarding?

I've followed this thing very closely and nowhere have I seen a "Panic" over death rates. I've just seen a panic overt toilet paper.
 
Our medical system seems to be working pretty well. More testing has been done here than anywhere and the volumes are rising and the speed of testing is improving. From test to result will soon be down to about 15 minutes. That's pretty impressive.

Massive mismanagement? In what way? Examples?

Reasonable PPE? The country is converting production to fill the needs as it fills the pipeline(s). Due to volumes needed, this is changing the way business is done. The supply problems are being remedied by a great, national, coordinated response.

Failure to perform? You seem entirely unaware of the immense and ongoing, awesome performance displayed by many, many entities in many, many topic areas across the entire country and economy.

Are you helping in any way or simply sitting back and sniping at the efforts of those who are working their tails off?

I've been very impressed by the cooperative and voluntary, for the most part, response by the individual people, the various states, private enterprise and the Feds.

This is the way it's suppose ta be.

Pointing at truth is helping.

Follow along, or dont.
 
The numbers that are getting sick is more alarming than those that are dying. If everyone got sick at the same time, then the economy would be in far worse shape than it is now

The numbers are the numbers. Hopefully, the numbers will start to trend in our favor as our genius scientists and doctors keep working on it.

Dr. David Price gives some hope saying that while this virus is very persistent, it is not that creative. It gets on your hands, you put your hands on your face: Eyes, nose mouth and it gets in.

Wash your hands or use sanitizer, DON'T TOUCH YOUR FACE, and stay out of closed, confined spaces with infected strangers.

If you were casting a movie and wanted to cast a Doctor that LOOKED like he had been working 10 days straight with no sleep, you'd hire this guy.

Dr. David Price on how to prevent COVID-19 from spreading: Clean hands and do '''not touch your face, period''' | Fox News
<snip>
"The ways that you get this is the transmission of the virus almost exclusively from your hands to your face, from your hands to your face and inside your eyes, into your nose or into your mouth," Price explained. "So there's a lot of talk about contact or getting it through contacts, hands to face."

The doctor also addressed the idea that the virus is transmitted by "long sustained contact" or through the air.

"There's also a small thought that it can be aerosolized, that it can kind of exist a little bit in the air," Price said. "The thought at this point is that you actually have to have very long sustained contact with someone. And I'm talking about over 15 to 30 minutes in an unprotected environment, meaning you're in a very closed room without any type of mask for you to get it that way."

"But very simply stated, the overwhelming majority of people are getting this by physically touching someone who has this disease or will develop it in the next one to two days and then touching their face," he pointed out.
<snip>
 
I've followed this thing very closely and nowhere have I seen a "Panic" over death rates. I've just seen a panic overt toilet paper.

Was there panic over toilet paper?

If yes, was there a cause that made people panic over toilet paper? What was that prime cause?

Incidentally, is this crisis referred to as one that rises from a virus or one that rises from toilet paper.

Think carefully. I'm sure you can figure this out.
 
Pointing at truth is helping.

Follow along, or dont.

Follow along?

What are you talking about?

One of the manufacturers of PPE spoke in the press conference yesterday and noted that one hospital, apparently a pretty big one, used to use 10,000 to 20,000 of whatever it is that he sells every week.

Now they are ordering 300,000 units of the same thing. He went on to say that the new demand is not just based on orders from that one, single hospital- it's the whole world.

Trump carried that on to the next consideration which is that they were previously operating at capacity. Is it reasonable to assume that everything being ordered at a rate of 30X capacity is being used?

That's a thing that unknowable without very exact data, but he said that the the reporters might be well served by tracking this down. No reporter volunteered. No surprise.

Trump said that if it's needed, it's his great pleasure to help make sure it gets there, but if it's "going out the back door", that needs to be determined.

What "truth" is it that you feel needs to be pointed at?
 
Citation needed. Are you referring to the mythical "Democrat politicization"?

Democrats tend to slander Trump over every little thing, including their stupid dishonest perverted claim that Trump is responsible for the numbers of deaths from this current flu virus.
 
Follow along?

What are you talking about?

One of the manufacturers of PPE spoke in the press conference yesterday and noted that one hospital, apparently a pretty big one, used to use 10,000 to 20,000 of whatever it is that he sells every week.

Now they are ordering 300,000 units of the same thing. He went on to say that the new demand is not just based on orders from that one, single hospital- it's the whole world.

Trump carried that on to the next consideration which is that they were previously operating at capacity. Is it reasonable to assume that everything being ordered at a rate of 30X capacity is being used?

That's a thing that unknowable without very exact data, but he said that the the reporters might be well served by tracking this down. No reporter volunteered. No surprise.

Trump said that if it's needed, it's his great pleasure to help make sure it gets there, but if it's "going out the back door", that needs to be determined.

What "truth" is it that you feel needs to be pointed at?

This is what I was referring to:

Are you helping in any way or simply sitting back and sniping at the efforts of those who are working their tails off?
 
The numbers are the numbers. Hopefully, the numbers will start to trend in our favor as our genius scientists and doctors keep working on it.

Dr. David Price gives some hope saying that while this virus is very persistent, it is not that creative. It gets on your hands, you put your hands on your face: Eyes, nose mouth and it gets in.

Wash your hands or use sanitizer, DON'T TOUCH YOUR FACE, and stay out of closed, confined spaces with infected strangers.

If you were casting a movie and wanted to cast a Doctor that LOOKED like he had been working 10 days straight with no sleep, you'd hire this guy.

Dr. David Price on how to prevent COVID-19 from spreading: Clean hands and do '''not touch your face, period''' | Fox News
<snip>
"The ways that you get this is the transmission of the virus almost exclusively from your hands to your face, from your hands to your face and inside your eyes, into your nose or into your mouth," Price explained. "So there's a lot of talk about contact or getting it through contacts, hands to face."

The doctor also addressed the idea that the virus is transmitted by "long sustained contact" or through the air.

"There's also a small thought that it can be aerosolized, that it can kind of exist a little bit in the air," Price said. "The thought at this point is that you actually have to have very long sustained contact with someone. And I'm talking about over 15 to 30 minutes in an unprotected environment, meaning you're in a very closed room without any type of mask for you to get it that way."

"But very simply stated, the overwhelming majority of people are getting this by physically touching someone who has this disease or will develop it in the next one to two days and then touching their face," he pointed out.
<snip>

That information has been out for months and the virus is still spreading. The hospitals are filling even with the precautions taken by some. But we all know that people like Rand Paul is not taking precautions. If your store clerks, nurses, doctors, truck drivers all get sick at the same time, then the virus will shut us down, not the government. People are still touching their faces, still not washing their hands and still walking around infecting other people. We must stay home. Public transportation is a confined space. If we go along as normal, those that need to go to work must ride share. That is a confined space. The best way to reduce spread is to stay home
 
This is what I was referring to:

Okay, then, the question stands. What are you talking about?

Are you helping in any way or simply sitting back and sniping at the efforts of those who are working their tails off?
 
Okay, then, the question stands. What are you talking about?

Are you helping in any way or simply sitting back and sniping at the efforts of those who are working their tails off?

I dont accept crap work without objection, especially when this crap work might well cost me my life.

Sue Me
 
Except the rate for Covid 19 as presented by the media is extrordinarily high and is likely completely off base.

The media only report what they have been told by medical experts. Of course you'd have to prove they are inventing or inflating numbers.
 
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