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[W:1059]Man dies after taking chloroquine phosphate in effort to prevent coronavirus

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Lursa said:
LOLOLOL Now you are being dishonest, since the entire *acknowledged* tenor of his speech was recommending trying it and then backpeddling a little on it amidst his handlers/experts not agreeing.

Pretty much everyone even in the thread has acknowledged that. LOL
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Of course he recommended trying it. The FDA has now authorized it for treatment, not just trials. But he also said it might work or not.
 
Lursa said:
Thank you Dr. LOL. That's what testing is for, not recommending its use. Which was how he nearly started out...so 'hopeful', it sounded sooooo promising.

You've really dug yourself in deep here. And your initial statement of minimizing his irresponsible incompetence remains. The more you try to justify it (and you are doing it even more now)...just proves it. You have gone full cycle to reinforcing the opposite :doh

I'm going back to my movie...carry on...I'll see what you come up with this time later.
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Hopeful signs in French research were the early pointers. Now the FDA has approved treatment, not just trials, so we'll know soon enough whether it's effective.
I'm not sure what point you think you're making.
 
ldsrptcvt said:
but Trump knows the nation is full of poorly educated people; why the need to shout from the rooftops before the data is in? Oh, of course, Trump needs the drama - gotta have that drama.
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BS. New York already has very large scale trials under way, and the FDA has approved treatment. Neither would have happened so fast without Trump's prodding.
 
Jack Hays said:
Hopeful signs in French research were the early pointers. Now the FDA has approved treatment, not just trials, so we'll know soon enough whether it's effective.
I'm not sure what point you think you're making.
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The FDA doesn’t approve off label treatment.

Pence said this, but was wrong.

It literally makes no sense.
 
Threegoofs said:
The FDA doesn’t approve off label treatment.

Pence said this, but was wrong.

It literally makes no sense.
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Lursa said:
Then we disagree, because his speaking 'errors,' if errors, are irresponsibly incompetent for a national leader.

And his positive acknowledgement without medical expert agreement led to this moron's death. He didnt cause it, but his irresponsible comments opened the door for a very weak-minded individual...of which unfortunately, this country has many. That makes it important that he stop. Which he is unlikely to do, as he does so over and over and over.
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Doctors have been prescribing hydroxychloroquine in conjunction with azithromycin with what they claim is big success for something like a week now.
You should know that they haven't been prescribing fish tank cleaner.

The FDA SAYS HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE AND CHLOROQUINE CAN BE USED TO TREAT CORONAVIRUS - FDA Says Hydroxychloroquine and Chloroquine Can Be Used to Treat Coronavirus
Note that it doesn't say FDA SAYS FISH TANK CLEANER CAN BE USED TO TREAT CORONAVIRUS.

Whew, glad I caught you before you made another big mistake.
 
Man dies after taking chloroquine phosphate in effort to prevent coronavirus

Jack Hays said:
BS semantics.
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Not at all.

They released drug in the national stockpile to use.

That’s in no way even close to approval as literally anyone involved with the FDA would know.

And you blabbed it three posts in a row, and god knows where else you’re spamming it.
 
Threegoofs said:
Not at all.

They released drug in the national stockpile to use.

That’s in no way even close to approval as literally anyone involved with the FDA would know.

And you blabbed it three posts in a row, and god knows where else you’re spamming it.
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Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine can be prescribed for COVID-19 as physicians see fit. The rest is window dressing.

https://www.fda.gov/media/136535/download
 
Jack Hays said:
Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine can be prescribed for COVID-19 as physicians see fit. The rest is window dressing.

https://www.fda.gov/media/136535/download
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They always could.

The FDA generally does not regulate off label prescribing.

The window dressing is pretending this somehow has ‘FDA approval’, and you slurped the administrations story right up.
 
nota bene said:
Or the warning on the bottom of microwaveable dinners that contents will be hot. And that shin guards must be worn to work. And not to put a TV remote in the dishwasher. Every time I read a wacky warning, I'm reminded that they exist because people have brought litigation.
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yep, it is CYA stuff from corporate attorneys. On some handguns, there is a warning "This firearm will fire without a magazine" because some handguns have a disconnector on them-when the magazine is removed, the trigger won't work
 
TurtleDude said:
yep, it is CYA stuff from corporate attorneys. On some handguns, there is a warning "This firearm will fire without a magazine" because some handguns have a disconnector on them-when the magazine is removed, the trigger won't work
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The scary thing, though, is that the CYA stuff was required because Darwin Award nominees have actually tried to eat urinal cakes or tried to fix a tooth with a cordless drill. Who wrecked out because he or she didn't remove the sun shield from the dashboard before driving off.
 
Fledermaus said:
Ah, the president has to issue a disclaimer not to consume things not meant for human consumption....

Got it.

:lamo
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No. If any president promotes something for use than can be harmful he or she should say so. However, no president should promote for use anything that could be harmful until that degree of possibility is determined by the professionals. In this case, that degree has not been determined to do with harm NOR efficacy.
 
bluesmoke said:
No. If any president promotes something for use than can be harmful he or she should say so. However, no president should promote for use anything that could be harmful until that degree of possibility is determined by the professionals. In this case, that degree has not been determined to do with harm NOR efficacy.
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And yet the FDA has authorized widespread use.
And yet New York has for some days now had a multi-thousand patient trial under way.
 
Jack Hays said:
It does. Completely. You're just denying. Widespread use is now under way.
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Ummm... but there’s no ‘authorization’ for anything but release of the drug that’s stockpiled.

As usual, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
 
bluesmoke said:
No. If any president promotes something for use than can be harmful he or she should say so. However, no president should promote for use anything that could be harmful until that degree of possibility is determined by the professionals. In this case, that degree has not been determined to do with harm NOR efficacy.
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We know the safety isn’t the greatest.

And it’s very likely the efficacy is nonexistent.

I’ll just note that it’s putting an immunosuppressant on board an infected patient.

Studies are warranted, but given the sketchiness of the original data, I think you’ll forget all about this by fall, when the trials will be done.
 
Jack Hays said:
Of course he recommended trying it. The FDA has now authorized it for treatment, not just trials. But he also said it might work or not.
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Jack Hays said:
Hopeful signs in French research were the early pointers. Now the FDA has approved treatment, not just trials, so we'll know soon enough whether it's effective.
I'm not sure what point you think you're making.
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Didnt take the hint I see, ok now why are you posting that he's not irresponsibly incompetent?

Like I said, you have gone full circle, to swearing over and over that he's not capable, to posting reasons why he is?

So which is it? Do you want to continue with the irresponsibly incompetent angle or try to move the goalposts, doing a 180 to prove he's doing his job properly? It's hard for me to come up with counter arguments when you move the goal posts.

Either way, your hypocrisy is evident.
 
bubbabgone said:
Doctors have been prescribing hydroxychloroquine in conjunction with azithromycin with what they claim is big success for something like a week now.
You should know that they haven't been prescribing fish tank cleaner.

The FDA SAYS HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE AND CHLOROQUINE CAN BE USED TO TREAT CORONAVIRUS - FDA Says Hydroxychloroquine and Chloroquine Can Be Used to Treat Coronavirus
Note that it doesn't say FDA SAYS FISH TANK CLEANER CAN BE USED TO TREAT CORONAVIRUS.

Whew, glad I caught you before you made another big mistake.
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How was I wrong? Was my mistake?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trump needs to give hope to the hopeless, which is leadership, because he is one of the best leaders of his generation.
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He can give hope without using specific drug names
 
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