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[W:1059]Man dies after taking chloroquine phosphate in effort to prevent coronavirus

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Lursa said:
And his positive acknowledgement without medical expert agreement led to this moron's death. He didnt cause it, but his irresponsible comments opened the door for a very weak-minded individual...of which unfortunately, this country has many.
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Not if this keeps up. I am totally sold on this.
 
Lursa said:
Then we disagree, because his speaking 'errors,' if errors, are irresponsibly incompetent for a national leader.

And his positive acknowledgement without medical expert agreement led to this moron's death. He didnt cause it, but his irresponsible comments opened the door for a very weak-minded individual...of which unfortunately, this country has many.
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His comments also catalyzed numerous clinical trials, including one very large one in New York that the Washington Post has reported would not be under way without his prodding. So yes, one slow learner earned a Darwin Award -- solely his own fault. Meanwhile:

FDA issues emergency authorization of anti-malaria drug for coronavirus care


Politico
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Jack Hays said:
His comments also catalyzed numerous clinical trials, including one very large one in New York that the Washington Post has reported would not be under way without his prodding. So yes, one slow learner earned a Darwin Award -- solely his own fault. Meanwhile:

FDA issues emergency authorization of anti-malaria drug for coronavirus care


Politico
2 hours ago
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His comments? Er, the recommendations of the medical experts and the efforts on-going in other countries 'catalyzed' the efforts.

So you are giving him credit for not interfering with testing trials instead of 'just trying' it like he made it sound (IMO)?

ha ha ha ha

You continue to reinforce your initial minimization of his irresponsible incompetence.
 
Lursa said:
His comments? Er, the recommendations of the medical experts and the efforts on-going in other countries 'catalyzed' the efforts.

So you are giving him credit for not interfering with testing trials instead of 'just trying' it like he made it sound (IMO)?

ha ha ha ha

You continue to reinforce your initial minimization of his irresponsible incompetence.
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Trump keeps touting an unproven treatment. It’s now being tested on thousands in N.Y.

The effort has raised concerns among health experts. But President Trump’s intervention and New York Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo’s embrace of the strategy has fueled popular excitement about the drugs.






New York is moving at unprecedented speed and scale in a human experiment to distribute tens of thousands of doses of anti-malarial drugs to seriously ill patients, spurred by political leaders including President Trump to try a treatment that is not proved to be effective against the coronavirus.

With no proven treatment for the coronavirus, and infections in New York topping 30,000, health experts say the Food and Drug Administration has moved with uncommon speed to authorize New York’s sweeping plan to distribute the drugs through hospital networks. . . .

New York will use three medications — hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine in combination with the antibiotic azithromycin — contributed by the Federal Emergency Management Agency and Amneal Pharmaceuticals, the state said. The first wave of patients will receive hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin. . . .
 
nota bene said:
I used to collect wacky warning labels and am trying to remember the one about fish food. There is a reason for signs and labels such as on a Halloween costume--"Wearing of cape does not enable user to fly," "Don't eat urinal cake," "Don't use this drill on teeth," Don't use this toilet brush for dental hygiene," and etc.--litigation!
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TORO lawnmowers had warnings not to use as hedge trimmers (yeah some moron picked one up and when the blade hit a knot in the hedge, the blade gave a bit and chopped off several fingers) AND MY FAVORITE-Litton industries-after a woman claimed to have a heart attack after watching what happened to a pet she tried to dry in a microwave oven-warned that Litton MW Ovens were not for drying pets
 
Lursa said:
His comments? Er, the recommendations of the medical experts and the efforts on-going in other countries 'catalyzed' the efforts.

So you are giving him credit for not interfering with testing trials instead of 'just trying' it like he made it sound (IMO)?

ha ha ha ha

You continue to reinforce your initial minimization of his irresponsible incompetence.
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Jack Hays said:
Trump keeps touting an unproven treatment. It’s now being tested on thousands in N.Y.

The effort has raised concerns among health experts. But President Trump’s intervention and New York Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo’s embrace of the strategy has fueled popular excitement about the drugs.






New York is moving at unprecedented speed and scale in a human experiment to distribute tens of thousands of doses of anti-malarial drugs to seriously ill patients, spurred by political leaders including President Trump to try a treatment that is not proved to be effective against the coronavirus.

With no proven treatment for the coronavirus, and infections in New York topping 30,000, health experts say the Food and Drug Administration has moved with uncommon speed to authorize New York’s sweeping plan to distribute the drugs through hospital networks. . . .

New York will use three medications — hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine in combination with the antibiotic azithromycin — contributed by the Federal Emergency Management Agency and Amneal Pharmaceuticals, the state said. The first wave of patients will receive hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin. . . .
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Doubling down eh? So far we have a dead guy and it's not looking good for the efficacy of the medication...so all that "touting"...still looking irresponsibly incompetent.
 
Lursa said:
His comments? Er, the recommendations of the medical experts and the efforts on-going in other countries 'catalyzed' the efforts.

So you are giving him credit for not interfering with testing trials instead of 'just trying' it like he made it sound (IMO)?

ha ha ha ha

You continue to reinforce your initial minimization of his irresponsible incompetence.
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FDA issues emergency authorization of anti-malaria drug for coronavirus care

The move was supported by the White House, part of a larger Trump-backed effort to speed the use of anti-malaria drugs as a potential therapy for a virus that has no proven treatment or cure. FDA already has allowed New York state to test administering the medication to seriously ill patients, and some hospitals have added it to their treatment protocols.
 
Lursa said:
Doubling down eh? So far we have a dead guy and it's not looking good for the efficacy of the medication...so all that "touting"...still looking irresponsibly incompetent.
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There is no word yet on efficacy.
 
Jack Hays said:
FDA issues emergency authorization of anti-malaria drug for coronavirus care

The move was supported by the White House, part of a larger Trump-backed effort to speed the use of anti-malaria drugs as a potential therapy for a virus that has no proven treatment or cure. FDA already has allowed New York state to test administering the medication to seriously ill patients, and some hospitals have added it to their treatment protocols.
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And this changes what I wrote how?

The Food and Drug Administration on Sunday issued an emergency use authorization for hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine, decades-old malaria drugs championed by President Donald Trump for coronavirus treatment despite scant evidence.
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It indicates a desperate (emergency use) attempt as the FDA succumbed to presidential pressure. Still reflects irresponsibility.
 
Jack Hays said:
Trump has said it may work or it may not.
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LOLOLOL Now you are being dishonest, since the entire *acknowledged* tenor of his speech was recommending trying it and then backpeddling a little on it amidst his handlers/experts not agreeing.

Pretty much everyone even in the thread has acknowledged that. LOL
 
Jack Hays said:
Nope. There have been enough hopeful signs that it's worth a try.
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Thank you Dr. LOL. That's what testing is for, not recommending its use. Which was how he nearly started out...so 'hopeful', it sounded sooooo promising.

You've really dug yourself in deep here. And your initial statement of minimizing his irresponsible incompetence remains. The more you try to justify it (and you are doing it even more now)...just proves it. You have gone full cycle to reinforcing the opposite :doh

I'm going back to my movie...carry on...I'll see what you come up with this time later.
 
Fledermaus said:
Where did he suggest folks use chemicals not intended for human consumption.

Oh, that's right. He didn't.

Nor did he have to issue a disclaimer not to be stupid.

One of these folks won the Darwin Award. The other simply an honorable mention.
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He should have made the disclaimer that he didn't really know much about stuff. He loves to play the ultimate authority
 
Jack Hays said:
Nope. There have been enough hopeful signs that it's worth a try.
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but Trump knows the nation is full of poorly educated people; why the need to shout from the rooftops before the data is in? Oh, of course, Trump needs the drama - gotta have that drama.
 
ldsrptcvt said:
but Trump knows the nation is full of poorly educated people; why the need to shout from the rooftops before the data is in? Oh, of course, Trump needs the drama - gotta have that drama.
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Trump needs to give hope to the hopeless, which is leadership, because he is one of the best leaders of his generation.
 
Lursa said:
There are and I always wished I was rich enough to afford them. Mostly only commercial businesses with tanks or rich people.
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I remember nothing about that house except that it was a one-story, but I've never forgotten those fish tanks. I think some must have been 8 feet long. And that bluish glow illuminating the enormous pinned butterflies.
 
TurtleDude said:
TORO lawnmowers had warnings not to use as hedge trimmers (yeah some moron picked one up and when the blade hit a knot in the hedge, the blade gave a bit and chopped off several fingers) AND MY FAVORITE-Litton industries-after a woman claimed to have a heart attack after watching what happened to a pet she tried to dry in a microwave oven-warned that Litton MW Ovens were not for drying pets
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Or the warning on the bottom of microwaveable dinners that contents will be hot. And that shin guards must be worn to work. And not to put a TV remote in the dishwasher. Every time I read a wacky warning, I'm reminded that they exist because people have brought litigation.
 
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