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    re: [W:1059]Man dies after taking chloroquine phosphate in effort to prevent coronavirus

    Quote Originally Posted by bluesmoke View Post
    No. If any president promotes something for use than can be harmful he or she should say so. However, no president should promote for use anything that could be harmful until that degree of possibility is determined by the professionals. In this case, that degree has not been determined to do with harm NOR efficacy.
    We know the safety isnít the greatest.

    And itís very likely the efficacy is nonexistent.

    Iíll just note that itís putting an immunosuppressant on board an infected patient.

    Studies are warranted, but given the sketchiness of the original data, I think youíll forget all about this by fall, when the trials will be done.
    This may go down as the worst avoidable public health disaster in US history -Eric Topol, MD on COVID-19

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    re: [W:1059]Man dies after taking chloroquine phosphate in effort to prevent coronavirus

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    You're such a bad loser. I saw it first on Politico.

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    It's fun to watch, innit?

    IF EVERYTHING IS IMPORTANT THEN NOTHING IS

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    re: [W:1059]Man dies after taking chloroquine phosphate in effort to prevent coronavirus

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Of course he recommended trying it. The FDA has now authorized it for treatment, not just trials. But he also said it might work or not.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Hopeful signs in French research were the early pointers. Now the FDA has approved treatment, not just trials, so we'll know soon enough whether it's effective.
    I'm not sure what point you think you're making.
    Didnt take the hint I see, ok now why are you posting that he's not irresponsibly incompetent?

    Like I said, you have gone full circle, to swearing over and over that he's not capable, to posting reasons why he is?

    So which is it? Do you want to continue with the irresponsibly incompetent angle or try to move the goalposts, doing a 180 to prove he's doing his job properly? It's hard for me to come up with counter arguments when you move the goal posts.

    Either way, your hypocrisy is evident.
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    Social distancing has nothing to do with preventing pandemic casualties.
    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    Why try to prove things when science has never even tried to prove anything?
    RE: Italy's mortality rate
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    Perhaps it because their population is so old(their own doing)?

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    re: [W:1059]Man dies after taking chloroquine phosphate in effort to prevent coronavirus

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Doctors have been prescribing hydroxychloroquine in conjunction with azithromycin with what they claim is big success for something like a week now.
    You should know that they haven't been prescribing fish tank cleaner.

    The FDA SAYS HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE AND CHLOROQUINE CAN BE USED TO TREAT CORONAVIRUS - FDA Says Hydroxychloroquine and Chloroquine Can Be Used to Treat Coronavirus
    Note that it doesn't say FDA SAYS FISH TANK CLEANER CAN BE USED TO TREAT CORONAVIRUS.

    Whew, glad I caught you before you made another big mistake.
    How was I wrong? Was my mistake?
    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Social distancing has nothing to do with preventing pandemic casualties.
    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    Why try to prove things when science has never even tried to prove anything?
    RE: Italy's mortality rate
    Quote Originally Posted by Luther View Post
    Perhaps it because their population is so old(their own doing)?

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    re: [W:1059]Man dies after taking chloroquine phosphate in effort to prevent coronavirus

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    Trump needs to give hope to the hopeless, which is leadership, because he is one of the best leaders of his generation.
    He can give hope without using specific drug names

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    re: [W:1059]Man dies after taking chloroquine phosphate in effort to prevent coronavirus

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    BS. New York already has very large scale trials under way, and the FDA has approved treatment. Neither would have happened so fast without Trump's prodding.
    I was referring to the original topic of the thread - Trump's premature drug name dropping

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    re: [W:1059]Man dies after taking chloroquine phosphate in effort to prevent coronavirus

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Ummm... but thereís no Ďauthorizationí for anything but release of the drug thatís stockpiled.

    As usual, you donít know what youíre talking about.
    https://www.fda.gov/media/136535/download

    "The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has issued an Emergency UseAuthorization (EUA) to permit the emergency use of chloroquine phosphate supplied from the Strategic National Stockpile to treat adults and adolescents who weigh 50 kg or more and are hospitalized with COVID-19 for whom a clinical trial is not available, or participation is not feasible. . . .
    There is an EUA for treatment of the same population with hydroxychloroquine sulfate. . . .
    The Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) has declared an emergency that justifies the emergency use of chloroquine phosphate supplied from theStrategic National Stockpile to treat adults and adolescents who weigh 50 kg or more and are hospitalized with COVID-19 for whom a clinical trial is not available, or participation is not feasible. In response, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for the unapproved use of the FDA product chloroquine phosphate supplied from the Strategic National Stockpile for adults and adolescents who weigh 50 kg or more and are hospitalized with COVID-19 for whom a clinical trial is not available, or participation is not feasible. As a health care provider, you must comply with the mandatory requirements of the EUA listed above.
    FDA issued this EUA, requested by Biomedical Advanced Research and DevelopmentAuthority (BARDA).Although limited scientific information is available, it is reasonable to believe that chloroquine phosphate may be effective for treatment of adults and adolescents who weigh 50 kg or more and are hospitalized with COVID-19 for whom a clinical trial is not available, or participation is not feasible as specified in this Fact Sheet. You may becontacted and asked to provide information to help with the assessment of the use of the product during this emergency. . . .
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    re: [W:1059]Man dies after taking chloroquine phosphate in effort to prevent coronavirus

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Didnt take the hint I see, ok now why are you posting that he's not irresponsibly incompetent?

    Like I said, you have gone full circle, to swearing over and over that he's not capable, to posting reasons why he is?

    So which is it? Do you want to continue with the irresponsibly incompetent angle or try to move the goalposts, doing a 180 to prove he's doing his job properly? It's hard for me to come up with counter arguments when you move the goal posts.

    Either way, your hypocrisy is evident.
    Is the topic too complex for you? It is, in my view, equally the case that Trump's preparations were seriously flawed, the Dems' feckless impeachment posturing made things worse, and the initiative to push for anti-malarial use goes in the plus column for Trump.
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    re: [W:1059]Man dies after taking chloroquine phosphate in effort to prevent coronavirus

    Quote Originally Posted by ldsrptcvt View Post
    I was referring to the original topic of the thread - Trump's premature drug name dropping
    Trump's "name dropping" was probably the best thing he's done in this crisis.
    "Above all, not too much zeal." --Prince Talleyrand

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    re: [W:1059]Man dies after taking chloroquine phosphate in effort to prevent coronavirus

    Political bottom line: If the anti-malarial therapies work, Trump will have a significant win, and probably cruise to reelection. If they don't, they are added to the list of his errors and he probably will not be reelected.
    "Above all, not too much zeal." --Prince Talleyrand

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