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[W:1059]Man dies after taking chloroquine phosphate in effort to prevent coronavirus

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sjmay said:
It's not? So the original story got it wrong? What did they take then?
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Yep.

Chloroquine is used to treat Ich and other fish diseases. It’s a medicine (and identical to the human medicine chemically).

All these stories stating ‘fish tank cleaner’ are misrepresenting it.
 
Gondwanaland said:
Trump never advised anyone to eat fish tank cleaner, nor to take any non-prescribed drugs for matter.
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If trump supporters are going to eat fish tank cleaner because of something the President said then I guess there’s really nothing you can say to change their minds. As multiple people have already said in this thread, you can’t fix stupid.
 
Man dies after taking chloroquine phosphate in effort to prevent coronavirus

SLC said:
The hydroxychloroquine SULFATE medication is a totally different chemical than Hydroxychloroquine PHOSPHATE that the moron took. Phosphate is deadly for humans
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Jesus.

This is why I mock you and your supposed medical background, btw.

Hydroxychloroquine is not used for fish.


chloroquine.

and a sulfate salt vs a diphospate salt would do little in terms of toxicity (and certainly not be deadly) but they are usually used to get specific dissolution characteristics, since in solution, the phosphate/sulfate would dissociate from the parent compound anyway. Pharmaceutics 101
 
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Drawdown said:
I agree that people in NYC and LA probably aren't smart enough to not take fish tank cleaner to treat a disease they don't have, but hardly Trump's fault the local teachers union didn't done learn them no better.
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What a trifecta: leaving aside insulting the dead and sick, you manage to dump on NYC, LA, and unions in one sentence. Apply for a job as Trump's speechwriter.
 
Cardinal said:
The President’s words matter, but after taking trump at his word that a chemical was cleared by the FDA and was effective in combatting coronavirus, you don’t believe that Trump has any responsibility for the words he said that had that impact. So you *say* that the President’s words matter, but in practice you clearly don’t believe that. It makes me wonder what you think the Presidency is for (besides trolling the libs, of course).
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This is what he ****ing said, either you believe ALL of his words matter, or they don't.

THIS DRUG.....drug, not CHEMICAL....drug......HAS A LOT OF PROMISE, BUT WE HAVE TO TEST IT OUT MORE, ITS USED FOR MALARIA, BUT ITS FDA APPROVED, SO THE TESTING WILL BE NOT LONG FOR CORONAVIRUS....AND WE ALREADY KNOW THE SIDE AFFECTS....WE HOPE TO GET OUT BY PRESCRIPTION SOON.....


In what ****ing world does that translate to ,DRINK THIS ****ING FISH TANK CLEANER BECAUSE IT HAS SOMETHING I THINK I RECOGNIZE.....

Besides yours of course.....

Again.....do ALL OF HIS WORDS MATTER, or just some?
 
Cardinal said:
The President’s words matter, but after taking trump at his word that a chemical was cleared by the FDA and was effective in combatting coronavirus, you don’t believe that Trump has any responsibility for the words he said that had that impact. So you *say* that the President’s words matter, but in practice you clearly don’t believe that. It makes me wonder what you think the Presidency is for (besides trolling the libs, of course).
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Like said, you're either purposely lying or trying to get a rise out of people.

Either way, it's a pretty sad thing to commit to as often as you do. Why do you?
 
Jack Hays said:
Your post is an example of TDS.
No one lied.
I don't care for Trump, but I also don't care for the irrational anger that grips too many of his opponents.
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This is fascinating.

Are you saying that Trump never said that anybody that needs a test gets a test? Or are you saying that 2 weeks ago we really did have stacks of tests available for anyone who needs one?


Coronavirus: Trump refused to say when everyone can get tested - Business Insider
Trump calls coronavirus test "perfect" and compares it to Ukraine phone call - CBS News
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...0eca1e-63df-11ea-912d-d98032ec8e25_story.html
 
Lursa said:
It doesnt matter what I write...you'll just continue to 'tell' me what I meant. :roll:

See my response to SLC for my reasoning:

So you believe that alot of Trump followers wont get sick or die because they choose to believe him over the experts?

I disagree. I believe they'll also endanger many other Americans due to their stupidity. Such people are posting here all the time, encouraging the use of the untested (on CV) drug, encouraging opening up the economy soon, not 'living in fear' and self-quarantining.​
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It's pretty obvious what you meant.
 
Cardinal said:
The man's wife told NBC News she'd watched televised briefings during which President Trump talked about the potential benefits of chloroquine. Even though no drugs are approved to prevent or treat COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, some early research suggests it may be useful as a therapy.

"We were afraid of getting sick."

The name "chloroquine" resonated with the man's wife, who asked that her name not be used to protect the family's privacy. She'd used it previously to treat her koi fish.

"I saw it sitting on the back shelf and thought, 'Hey, isn't that the stuff they're talking about on TV?'"

”Trump kept saying it was basically pretty much a cure," the woman whose husband died told NBC.

Man dies after ingesting chloroquine in an attempt to prevent coronavirus
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Wow, what dumbasses.
 
sjmay said:
This is what he ****ing said, either you believe ALL of his words matter, or they don't.

THIS DRUG.....drug, not CHEMICAL....drug......HAS A LOT OF PROMISE, BUT WE HAVE TO TEST IT OUT MORE, ITS USED FOR MALARIA, BUT ITS FDA APPROVED, SO THE TESTING WILL BE NOT LONG FOR CORONAVIRUS....AND WE ALREADY KNOW THE SIDE AFFECTS....WE HOPE TO GET OUT BY PRESCRIPTION SOON.....


In what ****ing world does that translate to ,DRINK THIS ****ING FISH TANK CLEANER BECAUSE IT HAS SOMETHING I THINK I RECOGNIZE.....

Besides yours of course.....

Again.....do ALL OF HIS WORDS MATTER, or just some?
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The President said that chloroquine was fda approved and was effective in treating coronavirus. So they said, “Hey, we have chloroquine right here. Neat.”

But who cares? The President’s words matter, unless they result in something bad happening, at which point the President’s words don’t matter.
 
Cardinal said:
The President said that chloroquine was fda approved and was effective in treating coronavirus. So they said, “Hey, we have chloroquine right here. Neat.”

But who cares? The President’s words matter, unless they result in something bad happening, in which case the President’s words don’t matter.
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He ALSO SAID....see here is the part you get ****ed up with, he ALSO SAID.....

We have to look into it more....and we hope to have it out for prescription soon.....



Again, ALL WORDS MATTER, or they don't.......you don't get to pick and choose which words matter......

Can't fix ****ing stupid though.....
 
Ikari said:
I mean, I think we already know that most of what he's saying is made up on the spot or intended to generate drama. I think the only ones who will absolutely believe him are the Trumpeteers themselves. And if they're going to drink fish tank cleaner, it's unfortunate, but on them.
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Agreed, Trump should avoid such off the cuff bombastic flourishes without having the desired info, but that's not
an indicator that he's going the way of Biden, that is, mental deterioration. It may be a style of someone who
tends at times to be nakedly narsisisstic. Upon occasion Trump offerrs off the cuff remarks &
when his crystal ball proves correct he brags & revels in it. When he's incorrect he dismisses those
who try to make hay over it like an elephant might dismiss an annoying wasp getting in its ear

The Democratic voter on Super Tuesday through an array of thinly
related events showed they rather lose the presidency to Trump with Biden, than allow
a extreme left winger like Bernie to hijack THEIR party.

Anyone who has viewed Biden closely has to realize he's a bewildered guy who is cognitively impaiired.
It's almost sad to see the fear on his face when he suffers through senior moments all to often 'stunned in the
spotlight.'

There is no denying Trump's leadership is showing again, he's on a roll. They couldn’t have
created leader more suited for this moment in time. In time I feel adjectives are going to fall
way too short.
 
slick said:
Agreed, Trump should avoid such off the cuff bombastic flourishes without having the desired info, but that's not
an indicator that he's going the way of Biden, that is, mental deterioration. It may be a style of someone who
tends at times to be nakedly narsisisstic. Upon occasion Trump offerrs off the cuff remarks &
when his crystal ball proves correct he brags & revels in it. When he's incorrect he dismisses those
who try to make hay over it like an elephant might dismiss an annoying wasp getting in its ear

The Democratic voter on Super Tuesday through an array of thinly
related events showed they rather lose the presidency to Trump with Biden, than allow
a extreme left winger like Bernie to hijack THEIR party.

Anyone who has viewed Biden closely has to realize he's a bewildered guy who is cognitively impaiired.
It's almost sad to see the fear on his face when he suffers through senior moments all to often 'stunned in the
spotlight.'

There is no denying Trump's leadership is showing again, he's on a roll. They couldn’t have
created leader more suited for this moment in time. In time I feel adjectives are going to fall
way too short.
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The couple taking something that had “chloroquine” listed in the ingredients speaks to the intelligence of the American people.

The bolded speaks to the same thing, imo.
 
slick said:
Agreed, Trump should avoid such off the cuff bombastic flourishes without having the desired info, but that's not
an indicator that he's going the way of Biden, that is, mental deterioration. It may be a style of someone who
tends at times to be nakedly narsisisstic. Upon occasion Trump offerrs off the cuff remarks &
when his crystal ball proves correct he brags & revels in it. When he's incorrect he dismisses those
who try to make hay over it like an elephant might dismiss an annoying wasp getting in its ear

The Democratic voter on Super Tuesday through an array of thinly
related events showed they rather lose the presidency to Trump with Biden, than allow
a extreme left winger like Bernie to hijack THEIR party.

Anyone who has viewed Biden closely has to realize he's a bewildered guy who is cognitively impaiired.
It's almost sad to see the fear on his face when he suffers through senior moments all to often 'stunned in the
spotlight.'

There is no denying Trump's leadership is showing again, he's on a roll. They couldn’t have
created leader more suited for this moment in time. In time I feel adjectives are going to fall
way too short.
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Yeah his "leadership", I think you meant "ass", his ass is showing again.

Trump is certainly mental, and completely self-absorbed, narcissistic ego-maniac. That's why when ever he speaks, he throws out these off the cuff, inaccurate statements. Most people know better than to follow them, Trumpeteers not so much. And one Trumpeteer has seemingly paid the price, unfortunately.

Biden, for all his faults, has nothing to do with this topic.
 
sjmay said:
He ALSO SAID....see here is the part you get ****ed up with, he ALSO SAID.....

We have to look into it more....and we hope to have it out for prescription soon.....

Again, ALL WORDS MATTER, or they don't.......you don't get to pick and choose which words matter......

Can't fix ****ing stupid though.....
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So you’re cherry picking then in order to avoid the undeniable outcome of the most irresponsible part of his statement.

Look, we know that trump supporters aren’t Nobel laureates and these people didn’t have degrees in medicine or chemistry. And we know that trump supporters glom onto the thing trump is saying they like best. And what they heard is that chloroquine was fda approved and effective in treating coronavirus.

It’s because of these misunderstandings that Presidents have historically chosen their words carefully. Because if they don’t, this kind of crap happens. He was sloppy with his words and one of his own voters kicked the bucket as a result.
 
Cardinal said:
So you’re cherry picking then in order to avoid the undeniable outcome of the most irresponsible part of his statement.

Look, we know that trump supporters aren’t Nobel laureates and these people didn’t have degrees in medicine or chemistry. And we know that trump supporters glom onto the thing trump is saying they like best. And what they heard is that chloroquine was fda approved and effective in treating coronavirus.

It’s because of these misunderstandings that Presidents have historically chosen their words carefully. Because if they don’t, this kind of crap happens. He was sloppy with his words and one of his own voters kicked the bucket as a result.
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Nope, I'm including ALL his words, have I ever said he did not say there was promise in chloroquine, did I ever say he did not say it was FDA approved?

He said those, ALONG WITH OTHER THINGS, that you don't want to admit the said, because it's easier for your mind to wrap your hate around it and blame him for stupid people doing stupid things.
 
Rexedgar said:
The couple taking something that had “chloroquine” listed in the ingredients speaks to the intelligence of the American people.

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Only some American people, in this case those that blindly (it seems) follow The Donald.
 
Ikari said:
Yeah his "leadership", I think you meant "ass", his ass is showing again.

Trump is certainly mental, and completely self-absorbed, narcissistic ego-maniac. That's why when ever he speaks, he throws out these off the cuff, inaccurate statements. Most people know better than to follow them, Trumpeteers not so much. And one Trumpeteer has seemingly paid the price, unfortunately.

Biden, for all his faults, has nothing to do with this topic.
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On the money.
 
Lursa said:
Only some American people, in this case those that blindly (it seems) follow The Donald.
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It’s called the “base.” He should take better care of them......
 
JacksinPA said:
How many will die after Trump starts dumping this in hard-hit cities like NY & LA.
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Is there a rule that says we cannot blame people for being so ignorant as to drink fish tank cleaning fluid in order to stave off a new virus? Would you use a hair dryer while you are taking a bath in a tub?
 
Drawdown said:
I agree that people in NYC and LA probably aren't smart enough to not take fish tank cleaner to treat a disease they don't have, but hardly Trump's fault the local teachers union didn't done learn them no better.
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How many different warnings do you have to put on products to keep people from being really stupid?
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Why is it that other presidents have been able to avoid giving bad medical information during a pandemic, but Trump literally can't go a single press conference without doing so?
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Let's blame Trump for starting the epidemic because he didn't warn us about that infected bat being sold in the Wuhan wet market. HE should have seen that one coming because he is all knowing and all powerful, right?
 
JacksinPA said:
Man dies after taking chloroquine phosphate in effort to prevent coronavirus | TheHill

Health care company Banner Health announced Monday that a patient had died and his wife was in critical condition after they apparently took chloroquine phosphate as a possible cure for coronavirus.

In a statement, the company urged Americans against taking drugs not prescribed for them in response to the coronavirus pandemic, which has sickened thousands of people across the country. The chemical, which is available in tablet form as an antimalarial, is also used as a cleaning chemical.
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This stuff is also used to clean fish tanks.

This is a tragic example of what taking unapproved drugs can do to you. It also shows the level of anxiety in the world, where people are grasping at hope. Neither this guy or his wife had COVID.
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Of course they need a doctors prescription and have to buy from a reputable source. there is an Ebay ad for ONE pill at about $80.00 which is most likely a scam. I wrote a post on why South America and Africa have only a tenth of the deaths that the United States and China has and guess why that is?
 
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