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Trump itching to scale back social distancing after 15 day-period, aides say

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Trump team failed to follow NSC’s pandemic playbook

The 69-page document, finished in 2016, provided a step by step list of priorities– which were then ignored by the administration.

The playbook was designed “so there wasn’t piecemeal thinking when trying to fight the next public health battle,” said one former official who contributed to the playbook, warning that “the fog of war” can lead to gaps in strategies.

The strategies are among hundreds of tactics and key policy decisions laid out in a 69-page National Security Council playbook on fighting pandemics, which POLITICO is detailing for the first time. Other recommendations include that the government move swiftly to fully detect potential outbreaks, secure supplemental funding and consider invoking the Defense Production Act — all steps in which the Trump administration lagged behind the timeline laid out in the playbook.

“Each section of this playbook includes specific questions that should be asked and decisions that should be made at multiple levels” within the national security apparatus, the playbook urges, repeatedly advising officials to question the numbers on viral spread, ensure appropriate diagnostic capacity and check on the U.S.
The playbook lays out different strategies for policymakers based on the severity of the crisis and shares lessons gleaned from past outbreaks. For instance, one section is devoted to addressing 34 “key questions” and 21 “key decisions” as soon as there is a “credible threat” — which in the case of coronavirus would have been early-to-mid January, as it raged in China and as the first U.S. case was detected on Jan. 20 — and calls on officials to move quickly.

“We recommend early budget and financial analysis of various response scenarios and an early decision to request supplemental funding from Congress, if needed,” the guide urges. But the Trump administration waited more than a month to ask for emergency funding after the timeline laid out in the playbook. stockpile of emergency resources.
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Trump lied when he said the information was Obsolete. 'See The Document For Yourself in the link above".

It was his Administration Responsibility to Review and Update as needed... Instead they "flat out ignored it, BECAUSE, it came from the Obama Administration.

His obsession of trying to discredit Obama has led to so many damages that it’s the most insidious 'bigoted madness ever". It's about as Stupid as during World War II... They said, Black Pilots could not perform well Flying Aircraft".... Results proved that the "Tuskegee Airmen" were the group that not only saved many bomber planes, but they were also requested to fly escort, because they understood their mission and executed it with exceptional performance. and rarely lost the bombers they were escorting. They did not pursue being glory hounds, they focused on the missions responsibility

There was absolutely no need to lie and deny and ignore the information, all so he would not have to admit that he was wrong to have done so.
Yesterday, during the press conference, instead of just providing the information, 'he had to patronize himself" with every point that was discussed.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
63,000 infected, 1,000 dead, all numbers rising and Trump wants people to go back to work to die kickstarting his chances of re-election, and you ask why? QED
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My guess is there are/were ten times as many infected as reported and they had mild symptoms and never went in.

Could you do me a favor thigh? CDC is a government agency that liberals love and trust. Can you let me know how people they say got the flu and died EACH year over the past 10 years? Thanks for your anticipated cooperation.

How many died from car accidents each year? Should we ban cars?
 
Manc Skipper said:
63,000 infected, 1,000 dead, all numbers rising and Trump wants people to go back to work to die kickstarting his chances of re-election, and you ask why? QED
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Wow, he said everyone should head back to work now? And it’s not even a headline anywhere!


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Scrabaholic said:
People are not immune to it after contracting it. Some are getting it a second time. We need a vaccine but it will be quite a while before one is developed and tested.

And young people *are* dying from it.
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So you can’t back that up, you are just repeating something or making it up?


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Anthony60 said:
The point is to have less deaths, that's why the high risk group would self quarantine. The people under 50 have a very low death rate. If the death rate was like that for everyone, we'd be going business as usual.

This guy does a much better job of explaining it...

Opinion | Is Our Fight Against Coronavirus Worse Than the Disease? - The New York Times

The clustering of complications and death from Covid-19 among the elderly and chronically ill, but not children (there have been only very rare deaths in children), suggests that we could achieve the crucial goals of social distancing — saving lives and not overwhelming our medical system — by preferentially protecting the medically frail and those over age 60, and in particular those over 70 and 80, from exposure.
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You didn't address my point. Low death rate doesn't mean low hospitalization rate (lower yes, but low no). If a large portion of people in the low death rate get the disease we can still overwhelm the hospitals and cause a catastrophe.
 
The following article (NYT, but I think temporarily available without subscription) contains a simple tool to model how social distancing restrictions affect the spread of the virus: Trump Wants to ‘Reopen America.’ Here’s What Happens if We Do. It also provides this caveat
These numbers offer a false precision, for we don’t understand Covid-19 well enough to model it exactly. But they do suggest the point that epidemiologists are making: For all the yearning for a return to normalcy, that is risky so long as a virus is raging and we are unprotected.
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If Covid-19 is as fearsome as some believe, our model suggests a grim possibility: It may be that the only way to control it sustainably is with an economic pause too long to be politically sustainable. In that case, we may be headed for a year of alternating periods of easing and tightening economic activity, with the pandemic rising whenever we ease and subsiding whenever we tighten.
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Scrabaholic said:
Ouch! That sounds very unpleasant. When I worked at a summer camp the year I was 18, I contracted open sores on my legs. They thought it was poison ivy or oak. It was not fun.

When I was in the army reserves, we were on a field exercise and a woman in my unit squatted in a patch of poison ivy. The poor thing, she was absolutely miserable!
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I have had several poison oak episodes. The worst was when there was a fire next to small lake where we had gone to fish. I spent some time in the smoke and ended up with a full body exposure. Almost went to the hospital.
But I always wondered why it always showed up in your crotch first.
 
Variant said:
You didn't address my point. Low death rate doesn't mean low hospitalization rate (lower yes, but low no). If a large portion of people in the low death rate get the disease we can still overwhelm the hospitals and cause a catastrophe.
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I get so frustrated at the idiotic dismissal of 49 million Americans, especially as it is not even accurate. Everyone is vulnerable: A search for answers in 17-year-old boy’s death (California) that may be linked to coronavirus (LA Times); 17-Year-Old in Louisiana Dies of Coronavirus: Health Department (DB). One chart shows New York City's coronavirus cases, deaths, and hospitalizations by age bracket as the city's cases top 20,000
People between 45 and 64 in New York seem to have the highest number of COVID-19 cases per capita. The data also shows that New Yorkers younger than 17 face less risk — fewer than 450 cases have been reported in the age group, and only 6% of those cases involved hospitalization.

No New Yorker under the age of 17 has died, though five people younger than 45 have died.
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Hamish Howl said:
She's a comedian that does the "overly attached girlfriend" thing.
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Gotta look her up. Reminds me of an old stalker girlfriend that I hope is committed by now. if not, I could be in deep trouble.
 
JacksinPA said:
Trump says things will be 'bad' but is itching to scale back social distancing - CNNPolitics

(CNN)Another week of self-isolating -- or, for many Americans, mandatory lockdowns -- are raising tough questions for President Donald Trump on how long the coronavirus mitigation measures he recommended will last and whether they are worth the economic pain.

Trump has suggested he believes they may not be.
"WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF," Trump tweeted late Sunday night. "AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!"
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Unbelievable stupidity! With the death number doubling in NYC every 3 days, there is no way this pandemic can be brought under control within 15 days.

Even if he limits the phase out of social distancing restrictions in less populated states, the hospitals could likely be overwhelmed. No that I'd like to see that, but he is thinking about this political stunt with no real appreciation for this pandemic & the likely consequences of this move.

BTW, Dr. Fauci was not there today, so he had no one to talk reason to him.
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Oh, lookey here. Even the liberal Cuomo is questioning his OWN strategy of closing the state down. What have I been trying to tell you guys?

Cuomo: Not sure if closing all businesses, keeping everyone home was '''the best public health strategy''' | Fox News
 
NWRatCon said:
I get so frustrated at the idiotic dismissal of 49 million Americans, especially as it is not even accurate. Everyone is vulnerable: A search for answers in 17-year-old boy’s death (California) that may be linked to coronavirus (LA Times); 17-Year-Old in Louisiana Dies of Coronavirus: Health Department (DB). One chart shows New York City's coronavirus cases, deaths, and hospitalizations by age bracket as the city's cases top 20,000
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You are correct, being under the age of 65 doesn't mean people are safe like many seem to think, the death rate from this is much higher across the board than people are pretending.

I was pointing out that the hospitalization rate across the board is pretty high so the likelihood that the hospitals get overwhelmed if even the elderly stay home is still high, and the amount of deaths would still be staggering.
 
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Variant said:
You are correct, being under the age of 65 doesn't mean people are safe like many seem to think, the death rate from this is much higher across the board than people are pretending.

I was pointing out that the hospitalization rate across the board is pretty high so the likelihood that the hospitals get overwhelmed if even the elderly stay home is still high, and the amount of deaths would still be staggering.
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The data from New York supports you.covid NYC.jpg
 
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