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What in the Hell is Wrong with New York?; Now Have Nearly Half the COVID-19 Cases[W:547]

Re: What in the Hell is Wrong with New York?; Now Have Nearly Half the COVID-19 Cases

Mashmont said:
We're paying what? $1.3 trillion because the inept De Blasio can't keep people from having block parties? And did you see Cuomo whining about those young people having parties? "That is so disrespectful", he said. Boy that'll stop 'em. So I'm basically having to put my life on hold because those two circus clowns in New York can't govern.
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Did you go to church Sunday? Of course you did.
 
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Mashmont said:
Correct. Immature leftwingers in NYC can't follow simple rules of decency.
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Decency? Like your constant attacks against a certain young girl called Greta? You wouldn't recognise decency if it came up and introduced itself.
 
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Red Roughensore said:
Ever been to New York? It's a dump that's cheek-by-jowl overflowing with every freak in the multiverse! And Red's ex lives in the Lower East Side!
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That's a very ignorant comment.
 
Re: What in the Hell is Wrong with New York?; Now Have Nearly Half the COVID-19 Cases

Returning to the OP, New York City, with its high population density and tremendous exchange of people with the outside world, is simply ahead of the curve. The rest of the nation will catch up if the virus spreads as expected.

Based upon his comments of yesterday, President of the United States of America Donald Trump may help to speed up the process.

Regards to all. Stay well.
 
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Hamish Howl said:
It doesn't matter who you put in charge, you name any figure alive or dead, nothing is going to fix this in the near future.

Could Trump have prevented much of this by not telling everyone it was a big nothing? Maybe. Hard to say.

Could anyone have Foreseen this? No. It's an outside context event. A black swan.

Did Trump actively take steps going back to 2017 that made this mess worse than it had to be? Absolutely.

At best his performance is blow mediocre. He simply isn't up to the job.
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From what we know now, there was a warning from experts in the government who did foresee this to some degree.

Any fool who looked at China should have known this could have been foreseen. Because the Chinese went NUCLEAR on this disease, the US just did not a lot. They did not stock up on protection for those in the medical field. They did not have a plan. They did not warn people to social distance themselves early enough so that MAYBE people could have been walked into more strict measures without feeling the government went from one to NUCLEAR because the American/Dutch/English/German person is not used to being dictated by the government what to do.

And you are right, he is not up to the job. There should be a basic group of pandemic issue specialists attacked to the government. Not just the CDC. There should have been a fully worked out "what if" plan for most kinds of pandemics IMHO.

Did my government did that? Nope, but we are a small country and even I blame my government that it did not have more measures at a moments notice.
 
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Hamish Howl said:
It doesn't matter who you put in charge, you name any figure alive or dead, nothing is going to fix this in the near future.

Could Trump have prevented much of this by not telling everyone it was a big nothing? Maybe. Hard to say.

Could anyone have Foreseen this? No. It's an outside context event. A black swan.

Did Trump actively take steps going back to 2017 that made this mess worse than it had to be? Absolutely.

At best his performance is blow mediocre. He simply isn't up to the job.
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To the emboldened. No. He took no such steps, his performance has been fine and has even been praised by some on the left who were being unbiased.




Peter King said:
From what we know now, there was a warning from experts in the government who did foresee this to some degree.
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No. You do not "know" this.


Peter King said:
Any fool who looked at China should have known this could have been foreseen. Because the Chinese went NUCLEAR on this disease, the US just did not a lot. They did not stock up on protection for those in the medical field. They did not have a plan. They did not warn people to social distance themselves early enough so that MAYBE people could have been walked into more strict measures without feeling the government went from one to NUCLEAR because the American/Dutch/English/German person is not used to being dictated by the government what to do.

And you are right, he is not up to the job. There should be a basic group of pandemic issue specialists attacked to the government. Not just the CDC. There should have been a fully worked out "what if" plan for most kinds of pandemics IMHO.

Did my government did that? Nope, but we are a small country and even I blame my government that it did not have more measures at a moments notice.
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Biased blathering nonsense accentuated by the fact that you say your own government didn't do that.
 
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Mashmont said:
The market also went from 9,000 to 6,000 after his election. The SOB had no clue.
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And more Obama obsession from one of the Orange Oaf's apology crew on our dear website. No, the market was a serious down turn even before he was elected as president and the crisis continued until well in the first year of presidency.

You are also totally wrong as usual. His election made the markets gain a bit of ground. In fact it was as the NY times wrote at the time:

Strongest Election Day Stock Rally in 24 Years
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Strongest Election Day Stock Rally in 24 Years - The New York Times

Also, your hypocrisy is showing, markets going down to the world crisis in 2008 is Obama's fault, Corona crisis is not Trump's fault. You as usual make no sense.
 
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Peter King said:
And more Obama obsession from one of the Orange Oaf's apology crew on our dear website. No, the market was a serious down turn even before he was elected as president and the crisis continued until well in the first year of presidency.

You are also totally wrong as usual. His election made the markets gain a bit of ground. In fact it was as the NY times wrote at the time:
Strongest Election Day Stock Rally in 24 Years - The New York Times
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If we listened to the democrat media and nothing else we might be convinced by this article from 2 days after the 2008 election that the markets surged immediately after Obama's election. Likewise, if we listened to democrat media we would have also believed the stock market crashed two days after Trump's election, plunging the world into deep depression. Of course, that is not what really happened, but that is how democrats like to spin everything in their political favor.

Global markets drop as U.S. election results shock

If you read all this leftist spin and heard it non-stop on the democrat news outlets you might have also, as so many democrats and leftists in the government did, begun desperately trying to remove him from office immediately.
 
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Mashmont said:
Texas has five of the 13 largest cities in the nation and has 9 million more residents than New York . They only have eight deaths. How come?

And for the third time, how does all this additional testing New York is doing cause their number of deaths to be so high?
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Texas is also a warmer state than NY?

Hell, You're already in the high 80's?

The virus doesn't like warm?
 
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Excon said:
No. You do not "know" this.


Biased blathering nonsense accentuated by the fact that you say your own government didn't do that.
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Actually we do know that, at least if I believe Biden and I do believe him more than I believe Trump.
 
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I am always amazed with a thread with such an idiotic premise (in this case ignoring differences in population densities during a pandemic), can go on for over 400 posts...
 
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marke said:
If we listened to the democrat media and nothing else we might be convinced by this article from 2 days after the 2008 election that the markets surged immediately after Obama's election. Likewise, if we listened to democrat media we would have also believed the stock market crashed two days after Trump's election, plunging the world into deep depression. Of course, that is not what really happened, but that is how democrats like to spin everything in their political favor.

Global markets drop as U.S. election results shock

If you read all this leftist spin and heard it non-stop on the democrat news outlets you might have also, as so many democrats and leftists in the government did, begun desperately trying to remove him from office immediately.
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And? The market was already in a tail spin, Bush was in government for more than 2 months after that date and Obama gets the blame? Ridiculous.
 
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Mashmont said:
Nine world cities have higher densities. None have NYC's COVID numbers.
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Because none is the business capital of the world. None is the tourist attraction that NYC is and let's be honest, most people like coming to NYC because it is a great place. Maybe that is why in your town fewer people are getting sick?
 
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Peter King said:
And? The market was already in a tail spin, Bush was in government for more than 2 months after that date and Obama gets the blame? Ridiculous.
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It was not a single politician's fault the economy collapsed in 2008. If the matter is researched one factor seems to continually rise as having been the biggest contributor to the collapse and that was the deregulation of mortgage lending by the Commodity Futures Modernization Act. That legislation allowed the introduction of such financial instruments as credit default swaps and securitization of mortgages with insufficient collateral.

Because the mortgage industry was opened up to borrowers with lower credit scores there was a rush to buy houses which resulted in a housing boom fueled by bad loans and manipulated by greedy speculators and crafty lenders and investors out to make big bucks off the boom. When people began defaulting on their mortgages the stability of mortgage-backed securities crumbled, causing a widespread collapse of leading lending institutions and of market stability as well. The housing industry then collapsed like an over-inflated balloon and things went downhill from there.

It was not Obama's fault nor was it Bush's fault.
 
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Mashmont said:
Of course they're Marxists. That is so well-known, it doesn't require proof.
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Actually it does require proof, your nonsensical ramblings are total BS when it comes to determining if someone is a marxist or not.
 
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Mashmont said:
Again, what did my comments about Lent have to do with the thread topic. How about sticking to the thread topic and leave the personal insults out of it?
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How is hoping that your other Lenten disciplines are more successful than this one a personal insult? You did proudly announce that you'd given up DP for Lent but that God had instructed you to advise us all, and here you are still, "advising." Hence, my sincere and continued hope that whatever else you gave up or took on for Lent is more successful than this one that you publicly announced and are publicly failing in.
 
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Mashmont said:
As recently as three days ago, New York, Washington, and California were neck-and-neck in coronavirus cases. While the others have increased moderately, New York is now has about NINE TIMES more cases than second-place Washington State. While Washington's deaths have risen 14% in those three days, New York's are now 250% higher in the same amount of time.

Although Andrew Cuomo has offered effusive praise for President Trump's work in this crisis, Mayor De Blasio has offered nothing but criticism in an obvious attempt to diffuse attention from the poor job he has done in his own city which has 25% of all the COVID-19 cases in the United States. Many New Yorkers are ignoring any threat with block parties and pick-up basketball games all over the city. Many residents are not taking the warnings or virus seriously. That's De Blasio's fault; not Trump's. This forum's Humble Pi's experience at La Guardia echoes the carlessness residents are displaying.

We constantly hear blather about blue states subsidizing red states, but I live in a 250,000-person Christian conservative metro area that has three cases and no deaths, and am SICK of subsidizing these New York liberals by having to shut down my life and pay towards a multi-trillion-dollar fix. I don't care if NYC is a concentrated area. Texas has a much greater population, with five of the top 15 largest cities in the US. They have eight deaths. De Blasio and Cuomo knew what had and aren't doing the job. Senator Schumer is absolutely disgusting with his partisan antics, holding up a relief bill at the 11th hour last night. He doesn't care about the people losing their jobs or stock market taking a hit. Hell, during the time Trump was taking initial action against China in January, Schumer was running the impeachment scam. He wasn't remotely engaged in the looming COVID crisis.

Take out New York, and all the sudden this situation is far less menacing.



New York quiets as it becomes next virus hot spot
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Your answer is right here. You don't need anything but the internet to find your answer:

List of United States cities by population density - Wikipedia

1 Guttenberg New York City New Jersey
2 Union City New York City New Jersey
3 West New York New York City New Jersey
4 Hoboken New York City New Jersey
5 Kaser New York City New York
6 New York City New York City New York
7 Cliffside Park New York City New Jersey
8 East Newark New York City New Jersey
9 Maywood Los Angeles California
10 Passaic New York City New Jersey
11 Great Neck Plaza New York City New York
12 North Bay Village Miami Florida
13 Cudahy Los Angeles California
14 Sunny Isles Beach Miami Florida
15 Huntington Park Los Angeles California
16 Somerville Boston Massachusetts
17 West Hollywood Los Angeles California
18 Irvington New York City New Jersey

I posted before that cities with the heaviest population had the highest rates of infection and/or deaths and some hand waver said it wasn't true because other countries with cities with high densities didn't and blah blah blah. Nothing is ever good enough for the hand wavers, so what you are seeing in the chart above is simple mathematics and tells you that PRIMARILY the cities that have the highest population density will be the heaviest hit. I was surprised when i was checking into this and found that West Hollywood that I have been to many times had a lot of incidents until I looked them up and found they are number 17 in the entire United States for population density which was a surprise to me.

What this should tell you is that big crowds are not where to be in this time until a cure or vaccine is found, or if you are lucky enough to have had it and not died.
 
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marke said:
It was not a single politician's fault the economy collapsed in 2008. If the matter is researched one factor seems to continually rise as having been the biggest contributor to the collapse and that was the deregulation of mortgage lending by the Commodity Futures Modernization Act. That legislation allowed the introduction of such financial instruments as credit default swaps and securitization of mortgages with insufficient collateral.

Because the mortgage industry was opened up to borrowers with lower credit scores there was a rush to buy houses which resulted in a housing boom fueled by bad loans and manipulated by greedy speculators and crafty lenders and investors out to make big bucks off the boom. When people began defaulting on their mortgages the stability of mortgage-backed securities crumbled, causing a widespread collapse of leading lending institutions and of market stability as well. The housing industry then collapsed like an over-inflated balloon and things went downhill from there.

It was not Obama's fault nor was it Bush's fault.
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Nor did I ever claim that. I have written that it was the fault of everybody, especially the crooks in the business world and the get rick quick idiots who created a chaotic situation. It was also the fault of democrat, republicans, Bush, Obama (he was a senator), Clinton, and every politician that served during the time. Because none of them did something to prevent this. They may not be culpable totally but culpably to some degree.

It was the dawn of unfettered greed and bad loans/bad products/investing in fluffed up air.
 
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Mashmont said:
Again, what did my comments about Lent have to do with the thread topic. How about sticking to the thread topic and leave the personal insults out of it?
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Well, you have talked about it in another nonsense thread, so there is that. And also, you have little right to lambast someone for what you think is a personal insult.
 
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Mashmont said:
As recently as three days ago, New York, Washington, and California were neck-and-neck in coronavirus cases. While the others have increased moderately, New York is now has about NINE TIMES more cases than second-place Washington State. While Washington's deaths have risen 14% in those three days, New York's are now 250% higher in the same amount of time.

Although Andrew Cuomo has offered effusive praise for President Trump's work in this crisis, Mayor De Blasio has offered nothing but criticism in an obvious attempt to diffuse attention from the poor job he has done in his own city which has 25% of all the COVID-19 cases in the United States. Many New Yorkers are ignoring any threat with block parties and pick-up basketball games all over the city. Many residents are not taking the warnings or virus seriously. That's De Blasio's fault; not Trump's. This forum's Humble Pi's experience at La Guardia echoes the carlessness residents are displaying.

We constantly hear blather about blue states subsidizing red states, but I live in a 250,000-person Christian conservative metro area that has three cases and no deaths, and am SICK of subsidizing these New York liberals by having to shut down my life and pay towards a multi-trillion-dollar fix. I don't care if NYC is a concentrated area. Texas has a much greater population, with five of the top 15 largest cities in the US. They have eight deaths. De Blasio and Cuomo knew what had and aren't doing the job. Senator Schumer is absolutely disgusting with his partisan antics, holding up a relief bill at the 11th hour last night. He doesn't care about the people losing their jobs or stock market taking a hit. Hell, during the time Trump was taking initial action against China in January, Schumer was running the impeachment scam. He wasn't remotely engaged in the looming COVID crisis.

Take out New York, and all the sudden this situation is far less menacing.



New York quiets as it becomes next virus hot spot
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More posting stupidity.
 
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tacomancer said:
They have ramped up testing: City Hospitals Expand Coronavirus Testing
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Since NY has increased its tests (the inference is so much more so than any other state), are causality statistics for corona higher in NY, as well? Are there more sicknesses and deaths, for examples, from corona in NY than any other state?
 
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Mashmont said:
Just who look at who gets the Nobel nowadays. A bunch of ridiculous leftwingers. 0bummer got it for not doing a damn thing. Arafat the terrorist got it. Giants like Reagan, Thatcher, or St. John Paul who all ended the Soviet Union didn't get it.
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1. there are many Nobel prize winners, not just the ones for the peace prize, I am pretty sure you are just whining about them being Marxists because they did not give that Orange Oaf a peace prize.

2. Henry Kissinger got one, Sadat and Begin, Mother Theresa, Lech Walesa, Tutu, Elie Wiesel, Mandela, FW de Klerk, Arafat/Peres/Rabin, Campaing to ban landmines/Jody Williams, Jimmy Carter, Organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons, Malala, Santos.

All people who did things to promote peace and harmony between enemies and who stood up for peace/democracy/people's rights.

Thatcher started a war, caused austerity, had the disaster of the closing of the mines. None of what she did promoted peace or things like that.

Reagan attacked a small country, what did he do to deserve the peace prize?

St. John Paul? Nope, not worthy of it. This pope? Maybe, he is much more deserving of the peace prize.

3. your pretense that they are marxists is based on nothing but your own nonsensical opinions about this.
 
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cabse5 said:
Since NY has increased its tests (the inference is so much more so than any other state), are causality statistics for corona higher in NY, as well? Are there more sicknesses and deaths, for examples, from corona in NY than any other state?
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The reason for the increased deaths has no known underlying cause as far as I know.

But it could be related to additional testing resulting in more accurate pronouncements. For example, if someone has this disease and dies, the death may be listed as something like pneumonia due to a lack of proper testing or diagnostics in other locations.
 
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