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Thanks, Trump; people who need chloroquine not getting it

Jack Hays said:
Nothing in your post contradicts anything I have said. Meanwhile:

". . . Christian Perronne, head of the infectious diseases department at the Raymond-Poincaré Hospital near Paris, says he is already using these treatments. "But the problem is, the stocks are very limited. There aren't many drugs available, which is a pity. Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are the most active," he told FRANCE 24. . . .
We know this product can work and will probably prevent many people from going into intensive care," he explained . . . "


Chloroquine 'can work,' some insist, as debate on ... - France 24

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7 hours ago - Read more: Can an old anti-malaria drug help fight coronavirus? ... Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are the most active," he told FRANCE ...
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Actually I have worked with Harvard trained physicians and the ones I worked with were not very good docs. It may be they don't pick a well rounded person for their students. I personally think there are better Medical Schools.
 
SLC said:
Actually I have worked with Harvard trained physicians and the ones I worked with were not very good docs. It may be they don't pick a well rounded person for their students. I personally think there are better Medical Schools.
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I bet they were just in awe of your knowledge.

Like how chloroquine is in sulfate salt which is TOTALLY different from phosphate.

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Lovebug said:
Are these otc medications?
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I heard on the radio today that pet stores sell chloroquine otc for folks to clean fish tanks. People are taking it internally w/o a prescription - bad idea!
 
Threegoofs said:
I bet they were just in awe of your knowledge.

Like how chloroquine is in sulfate salt which is TOTALLY different from phosphate.

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WTF are you talking about? I wrote this in post 255 of the Man dies from taking Hydroxychloroqine phosphate thread.

"The hydroxychloroquine SULFATE medication is a totally different chemical than Hydroxychloroquine PHOSPHATE that the moron took. "



I was working with Cardiology Fellows training them on how to insert a Swanz Ganz catheter and preform a right heart cath. Of all the fellows I worked with the Harvard trained Fellows were consistently the weakest.
 
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lurchadams said:
I heard on the radio today that pet stores sell chloroquine otc for folks to clean fish tanks. People are taking it internally w/o a prescription - bad idea!
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Hey Lurch if you are a fish it isn't that bad of an idea.
 
lurchadams said:
I heard on the radio today that pet stores sell chloroquine otc for folks to clean fish tanks. People are taking it internally w/o a prescription - bad idea!
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What's the worst that could happen? Just take a small amount, like a teaspoon or so.
 
Threegoofs said:
I bet they were just in awe of your knowledge.

Like how chloroquine is in sulfate salt which is TOTALLY different from phosphate.

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Knuckle dragging republicans are going to kill the citizens of their states.
 
SLC said:
WTF are you talking about? I wrote this in post 255 of the Man dies from taking Hydroxychloroqine phosphate thread.

"The hydroxychloroquine SULFATE medication is a totally different chemical than Hydroxychloroquine PHOSPHATE that the moron took. "



I was working with Cardiology Fellows training them on how to insert a Swanz Ganz catheter and preform a right heart cath. Of all the fellows I worked with the Harvard trained Fellows were consistently the weakest.
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It’s Choroquine, dude.
 
Threegoofs said:
It’s Choroquine, dude.
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Its NOT the same chemical if had been the same guy wouldn't have died . Dude.

Only people like you and him would take a fish treatment saying its the same as FDA approved medication. Incredibly stupid thing to do.
 
SLC said:
Actually I have worked with Harvard trained physicians and the ones I worked with were not very good docs. It may be they don't pick a well rounded person for their students. I personally think there are better Medical Schools.
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:lamo

Yeah, buddy, way to generalize, out of some Cardiology fellows you've met.

So, all the rankings out there, based on sound methodology and mountains of data, pointing to Harvard as the #1 medical school in the US are wrong, and SLC is right...

:lamo

Look, even if you were right, sure, there are other fine medical schools like Johns Hopkins, Stanford, UPenn, NYU, Yale, Columbia, Duke, UCLA, Washington U, etc., but any way you look into it, Harvard is still at the very top; at the very least, sharing that rarefied elite with a handful of other fine schools.

To think that a member of the Harvard faculty is less of an authority than... non-MD Internet warrior Jack Hays, is so laughable, that only this smiley can do justice to the situation.

:lamo
 
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Threegoofs said:
It’s Choroquine, dude.
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LOL, the good doctor (if we were to believe him) is so knowledgeable that he doesn't seem to know the difference between chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine.

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By the way, if he is this big shot cardiologist he pretends to be, he would know how to spell Swan-Ganz catheter, which he calls Swanz Ganz.

:lamo

At best, this guy is some technician there.
 
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SLC said:
WTF are you talking about? I wrote this in post 255 of the Man dies from taking Hydroxychloroqine phosphate thread.

"The hydroxychloroquine SULFATE medication is a totally different chemical than Hydroxychloroquine PHOSPHATE that the moron took. "



I was working with Cardiology Fellows training them on how to insert a Swanz Ganz catheter and preform a right heart cath. Of all the fellows I worked with the Harvard trained Fellows were consistently the weakest.
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1. Nope. Chloroquine, not hydroxychloroquine.
2. Nope. Swan-Ganz, not Swanz Ganz

Yeah, sure. You are the one teaching the fellows how to insert a Swan-Ganz cath. :lamo

I'd think if you were, you'd know how to spell it, before knowing how to insert it.

I bet you're just one of the technicians in the cardiac catheterization lab (if that much), not one of the cardiologists there.
 
digsbe said:
Blaming Trump is very very misplaced. As a healthcare provider with many friends also in the field I can say there was a study published that stated hydroxychloroquine may have an impact on treating the Wuhan Coronavirus. The response to this news is much like how everyone has been hoarding toilet paper. I have at least 3 pharmacist friends tell me local doctors have written illegitimate prescriptions for their family members for massive quantities of the drug (one friend said a doc wrote scripts for their family of 5 to each receive 360 tablets of hydroxychloroquine). Warehouses and pharmacies are already unable to order more due to demand spiking based on preliminary data that it may help.

This isn't Trump's fault, and if anything mirrors the panic purchasing of the medication much like how people are hoarding daily essentials.
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Trump amplified the possibility of runs on the drug
 
digsbe said:
Blaming Trump is very very misplaced. As a healthcare provider with many friends also in the field I can say there was a study published that stated hydroxychloroquine may have an impact on treating the Wuhan Coronavirus. The response to this news is much like how everyone has been hoarding toilet paper. I have at least 3 pharmacist friends tell me local doctors have written illegitimate prescriptions for their family members for massive quantities of the drug (one friend said a doc wrote scripts for their family of 5 to each receive 360 tablets of hydroxychloroquine). Warehouses and pharmacies are already unable to order more due to demand spiking based on preliminary data that it may help.

This isn't Trump's fault, and if anything mirrors the panic purchasing of the medication much like how people are hoarding daily essentials.
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it is exactly what you would expect when the president touts an available drug to the nation
 
Bullseye said:
How 'bout blaming the doctors that wrote the prescriptions?
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yes they certainly are behaving badly; but Trump should have anticipated a run on the drug
 
GreatNews2night said:
I think Cuomo is another idiot. I'm not a Democrat, by the way. I couldn't care less if Cuomo is a Democrat.

America is realizing what? With the country in total turmoil and the economy down the drains, Trump will lose in November. Mark my words.
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we can only hope
 
holbritter said:
And if they did work, and Trump said nothing about the possibility, he'd be blamed for any deaths that happened that could have been prevented. :shrug: what else is new?
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No, we never expect the president to give medical briefs
 
marke said:
Of course Trump is no medical expert and his critics are stupid to slander him for not having perfect understanding. No politician has all the answers and no politician could have handled everything perfectly, especially since there are so many contradictory suggestions out there. Should Trump have closed the borders? According to democrats, he was wrong to close the borders when he did but he was also wrong not to close the borders before he did. I wish the whiny malcontented 'let's impeach the bas***' desperate democrat activists would just shut up with all the griping, criticizing, complaining and whining.
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of course he has an imperfect understanding of medical issues; the problem is he acts like he doesn't
 
AlphaOmega said:
The FDA approved its use...The FDA approved its use....The FDA approved its use...The FDA...jesus where does this orange man bad **** end?
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the FDA approved its TRIAL suspecting it might not work
 
apdst said:
His comment is correct: chloroquine is FDA approved. I don't see where A/O is claiming that more testing isn't required.
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FDA approval isn't across the board. It has to be approved for use in specific problems. Do you think FDA approved cancer drugs can be used for any purpose whatsoever?
 
AlphaOmega said:
Right to choose. Who do you think you are that you can deny people medicine that could help them? Its a personal choice. If you dont want to take it then dont. More for the rest of us.
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you missed the second half of the statement: what do you say to people who need it for its approved use but can't get because supply is gutted
 
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