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Is America overreacting?

Is America overreacting?


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If the US is so financially successful our Gov should have $23 trillion in surpluses, not a deficit. Eventually, this printing money and borrowing will undermine the financial fundamentals of the economy, if it hasn't already. This pandemic and shutdown will test the system to its max.

Ermagard ermagard my city has coronavirus......well technically it is just one patient from two counties over that doesn't have a hospital in it, but I need to hoard something. Permanent Sharpie markers maybe. I have everything else I need and you just never know when you will need a sharpie.
 
You do know by slowing down the progression of the disease, we're slowing down the time before we gain immunity, which makes the disease circulate longer in the populace? Countries that are getting infected faster will be done with the disease faster. The problem with that scenario is an overwhelmed medical system but unfortunately, we also can't afford to stay shutdown indefinitely before the economic damage outweighs the disease's impact.

You mean we're slowing down the time before the people who survive gain immunity, correct? So how many people are doomed to die under the scenario you've outlined? I'm guessing it's more than a few. Do you think the people of advanced age or who have diabetes, heart disease, or compromised immune systems should just willingly resign themselves to the inevitable when they might be aware that 90% of Starbucks stores in China are now open for business? Personally, I'm not buying the argument that it's inevitable that 60-80% of the populace of this country is going to get COVID-19. If people would actually listen to their government, like the Koreans and Chinese did, instead of wagging their fun-loving freedom dicks at the rest us, we could get a handle on this thing until we can got a vaccine deployed. The NIH and Moderna have already begun a phase 1 clinical trial for a vaccine. I guess you're willing to gamble with lives for the financial well-being of the country, but if it comes to a choice between possibly the health and safety of my family or my job, I'm picking our health.
 
Ermagard ermagard my city has coronavirus......well technically it is just one patient from two counties over that doesn't have a hospital in it, but I need to hoard something. Permanent Sharpie markers maybe. I have everything else I need and you just never know when you will need a sharpie.

I feel like I need to do something in response but I have enough sharpies and TP. I nervously await the symptoms of this virus to be done with it.
 
I feel like I need to do something in response but I have enough sharpies and TP. I nervously await the symptoms of this virus to be done with it.

You could write your manifesto in permanent ink on toilet paper, put it in a clay pot and bury it. in 2000 years museums will be fighting over who gets to buy the Charmin Scrolls.
 
None are arguing that certain sensible actions were, and still are, necessary. Obviously anyone 60 or older should be very cautious and should limit their social contact for the next few to several months. And clearly the next 30 days will permit systems to be put in place, and preventive drugs and products to be distributed.

But what some of us are arguing is that this hysteria has been a self-fulfilling economic disaster - the current collapse of the market is NOT because 200 people have died, BUT BECAUSE the government and social media have told businesses and people to bunker up. And anyone who believes that the "solution" is to keep the economy shut down for the next three to six months is asking for the world's largest economic disaster in recorded history.

This is not the Spanish flu, its not the andromeda strain, its not the black death. The danger of shutting down is a far greater threat to the American people's long-term well being than this flu.

The lockdown must end by April 20th. Like China, there is a point where you have to bite the bullet and order all back to work. The destruction of the economy a nation of 330,000,000 and 100,000,000 workers cannot afford to shut down and starve over the 1/2 percent that might be severely affected.

You can keep spouting falsehoods and make believe all you want. The only way this ends is when this virus is brought under control. The only way this thing is brought under control is through the methods that are well circulated. You can live in a fantasy where on some magical date the economy bursts back to life, or you can do what needs to be done in order to get people back to work. All this ignorance and stupidity about over reacting, and it not being serious, and moronic labeling of this as a flu is why more and more extreme measure have to keep being taken, and why this will likely have to drag on through the summer and maybe longer.

My point is, your refusal to help fight the virus, and your encouraging of others to not take it seriously is what is going to cause the economic collapse. If everyone did what needed to be done this since the beginning of March there is a good chance it would be under control by the end of April. But here we are late in March and still people are defying reason and now we are looking at mid May as the earliest. Possibly June. And as you people continue to make this worse, it will push into July and further. I hope you are proud of yourself. People with your mindset are causing death, suffering, and economic collapse. And all while your Dear Leader who you've worshiped for years is begging you to stop.
 
You mean we're slowing down the time before the people who survive gain immunity, correct? So how many people are doomed to die under the scenario you've outlined? I'm guessing it's more than a few. Do you think the people of advanced age or who have diabetes, heart disease, or compromised immune systems should just willingly resign themselves to the inevitable when they might be aware that 90% of Starbucks stores in China are now open for business? Personally, I'm not buying the argument that it's inevitable that 60-80% of the populace of this country is going to get COVID-19. If people would actually listen to their government, like the Koreans and Chinese did, instead of wagging their fun-loving freedom dicks at the rest us, we could get a handle on this thing until we can got a vaccine deployed. The NIH and Moderna have already begun a phase 1 clinical trial for a vaccine. I guess you're willing to gamble with lives for the financial well-being of the country, but if it comes to a choice between possibly the health and safety of my family or my job, I'm picking our health.

Why does nobody understand that the financial well being of the majority middle class is directly linked to our health and well being? Why do you think people work everyday> For their livelihoods and if that's denied for any length of time, they go broke, hungry and homeless. That will ultimately kill a lot more than a disease with a 1% mortality rate or an overwhelmed medical system. Give it 3-4 more weeks of a shutdown and watch the panic grow exponentially, while the story changes from fear of financial meltdown over the disease. We've had epidemics in the past with smallpox, measles, polio, and TB and we didn't shut down our economy.
 
Trump never called the corona virus a hoax.

He said, "This (coronavirus) is their (Democrats') new hoax," and that was how it was reported in the press. Would you care to clarify your interpretation of his meaning on this? Regardless, he hasn't used the word again recently in reference to anything involving it.

 
He said, "This (coronavirus) is their (Democrats') new hoax,"

Let me guess. Your words within parenthesis within the quote are the words you inserted because Trump didn't speak them. You are demonstrating my point for me
 
Why does nobody understand that the financial well being of the majority middle class is directly linked to our health and well being? Why do you think people work everyday> For their livelihoods and if that's denied for any length of time, they go broke, hungry and homeless. That will ultimately kill a lot more than a disease with a 1% mortality rate or an overwhelmed medical system. Give it 3-4 more weeks of a shutdown and watch the panic grow exponentially, while the story changes from fear of financial meltdown over the disease. We've had epidemics in the past with smallpox, measles, polio, and TB and we didn't shut down our economy.

We don't need a lot of time to shake this thing. Look at China. Its economy is ramping up again. And our government will likely pass a massive stimulus bill designed to put financial aid directly in the pockets of working-class Americans. Besides, if we get to the point where it's almost a certainty that you're going to get sick, perhaps fatally so, who's gong to want to go on vacation or attend a conference or concert? My wife and I were supposed to see The Who next month in Houston at the Toyota Center, but now? **** that, government order or not. Airplanes and hotels were emptying out even before states began shutting down travel.
 
Let me guess. Your words within parenthesis within the quote are the words you inserted because Trump didn't speak them. You are demonstrating my point for me

If Trump didn't seem to have a need to be specific when he spoke the words, isn't it reasonable to conclude that the context was obvious? Or are you not going to tell us what he meant to say? What "hoax" was he referring to? :confused:
 
US passed Spain today as the 3rd most infected country.

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We don't need a lot of time to shake this thing. Look at China. Its economy is ramping up again. And our government will likely pass a massive stimulus bill designed to put financial aid directly in the pockets of working-class Americans. Besides, if we get to the point where it's almost a certainty that you're going to get sick, perhaps fatally so, who's gong to want to go on vacation or attend a conference or concert? My wife and I were supposed to see The Who next month in Houston at the Toyota Center, but now? **** that, government order or not. Airplanes and hotels were emptying out even before states began shutting down travel.

I agree that a 3-4 week shut-down is necessary to attempt but after that, the cure is worse than the disease. The stimulus bill will not sustain the average workers for very long and is more likely an attempt to stabilize markets. People will be far less fearful of this disease when the Press drops it from the headlines. I do believe that there are far more sick, showing no symptoms or reporting it, than are being counted. It's extremely contagious and won't stop spreading till a vaccine is mass delivered or 60% have antibodies.
 
I agree that a 3-4 week shut-down is necessary to attempt but after that, the cure is worse than the disease. The stimulus bill will not sustain the average workers for very long and is more likely an attempt to stabilize markets. People will be far less fearful of this disease when the Press drops it from the headlines. I do believe that there are far more sick, showing no symptoms or reporting it, than are being counted. It's extremely contagious and won't stop spreading till a vaccine is mass delivered or 60% have antibodies.

I don't think we'd need longer than a month. It will probably peak sometime next month or possibly in May, depending on where we're talking about, but then the trajectory should be down. If people would just stop being stupid and stay put NOW until we can get testing ramped up so we can properly identify hotspots and isolate those people, we can avoid the doomsday scenarios and largely get our economy up and running in relatively short order.
 
US passed Spain today as the 3rd most infected country.

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That's the Vegas crowd and spring breakers bringing the "So what?" disease home to Mom and Dad.
 
That's the Vegas crowd and spring breakers bringing the "So what?" disease home to Mom and Dad.
Hell no. That has not hit yet. Give it a week or two.

Happened in Italy as well. Milan is a big university city and the students got out before the lock down, back home to mom and dad... Who are now dying in hospitals. That was 3 weeks ago give or take.

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If coronavirus disappears in June then we were overreacting.

If coronavirus reappears in February then we weren't overreacting.

So the answer is, "we don't know yet"
 
You can keep spouting falsehoods and make believe all you want. The only way this ends is when this virus is brought under control. The only way this thing is brought under control is through the methods that are well circulated. You can live in a fantasy where on some magical date the economy bursts back to life, or you can do what needs to be done in order to get people back to work. All this ignorance and stupidity about over reacting, and it not being serious, and moronic labeling of this as a flu is why more and more extreme measure have to keep being taken, and why this will likely have to drag on through the summer and maybe longer.

My point is, your refusal to help fight the virus, and your encouraging of others to not take it seriously is what is going to cause the economic collapse. If everyone did what needed to be done this since the beginning of March there is a good chance it would be under control by the end of April. But here we are late in March and still people are defying reason and now we are looking at mid May as the earliest. Possibly June. And as you people continue to make this worse, it will push into July and further. I hope you are proud of yourself. People with your mindset are causing death, suffering, and economic collapse. And all while your Dear Leader who you've worshiped for years is begging you to stop.

This is going to last through 2021. Keep dreaming social distancing is going to save us all. Big Pharma will save us all and that takes time.
 
I don't think we'd need longer than a month. It will probably peak sometime next month or possibly in May, depending on where we're talking about, but then the trajectory should be down. If people would just stop being stupid and stay put NOW until we can get testing ramped up so we can properly identify hotspots and isolate those people, we can avoid the doomsday scenarios and largely get our economy up and running in relatively short order.

You and I are on the same page. Keeping my fingers crossed that the best scenario is what we get. The nitwits that are either panicking or aloof need to get it in gear and join the mass effort.
 
This is going to last through 2021. Keep dreaming social distancing is going to save us all. Big Pharma will save us all and that takes time.

I believe the amount of money, resources, and pressure being put on big pharma will produce a vaccine in less than 3-6 months.
 
I believe the amount of money, resources, and pressure being put on big pharma will produce a vaccine in less than 3-6 months.

I think this unprecedented potential for catastrophic results is motivating smart people around the globe to basically "burn the boats" and find a solution. We may avoid the worst but we will be dealing this for years unfortunately. I'm hoping we can look back at this and say we overreacted.
 
I think this unprecedented potential for catastrophic results is motivating smart people around the globe to basically "burn the boats" and find a solution. We may avoid the worst but we will be dealing this for years unfortunately. I'm hoping we can look back at this and say we overreacted.

I think the initial phase of this disease will be over rather quickly but the fallout or resurgence of it will probably last for at least 2 years. If the Dow drops below 10,000, which I expect it will, then the resulting Recession could last for a decade. We'll see Monday how much the Gov stimulus bill affects the markets.
 
I think the initial phase of this disease will be over rather quickly but the fallout or resurgence of it will probably last for at least 2 years.

I don't think we're going to stamp it out, right now it might be suppressed a little bit, but the second you lift restrictions, it will come right back.

For me the bottom line for this thing is very simple. Either we have treatments and this is something we can mitigate to the level of a seasonal flu, or we eventually get a vaccine, or we're going to be in a depression very soon.
 
I want to say people aren't overreacting because this is a legitimate global pandemic. I'm not worried that I'll get sick and die (despite have a suppressed immune system) but I am worried that I could transmit the disease to my elderly parents or in-laws. I'd be very concerned about that.

At the same time, I spent a half hour this morning regretting the doordash delivery I accepted last night because I physically took the bag and said "thank you" even though there was a giant glass door between our bodies. Yeah, I'm still going to wear a mask if I go to Target even if people laugh and me. And they do. But I recognize that sitting around worrying about the details of my chipotle delivery is a little bit too much.
 
I don't think we're going to stamp it out, right now it might be suppressed a little bit, but the second you lift restrictions, it will come right back.

For me the bottom line for this thing is very simple. Either we have treatments and this is something we can mitigate to the level of a seasonal flu, or we eventually get a vaccine, or we're going to be in a depression very soon.

I completely agree with you. The virus will circulate until either a majority become infected, summer heat stops the spread or a vaccine is distributed. I'm afraid the economy is already going to be in recession and heading for far worse if the shutdown goes beyond 3-4 weeks. Gov stimulus is very limited to how much it will help with the bills from the masses of unemployed.
 
The reasoning for the shutdown and restrictions is to delay the rate of infections, so the medical system doesn't get overwhelmed, which it's estimated to anyway. COVID-19 only stops spreading once we build resistance through a herd immunity of 60-80% infected or a vaccine is available earliest estimates 12-18 months. So, why the extended shutdown and damaging of the economy if we're mostly doomed to catch it anyway? If modern civilization is severely damaged, won't that cause even more deaths?

Some Ask a Taboo Question: Is America Overreacting to Coronavirus?

The unknown and unprecedented nature of the disease is stoking fear among Americans. Seventy-nine percent of respondents said drastic headlines about how society is changing is the No. 1 reason they are fearful. Seventy-eight percent said they are primarily scared because of the deluge of news about people fighting over products at the grocery store; 75% pointed to the constant stream of reactions to the outbreak on social media.

"It's the kerosene on the fire of the news cycle. Every hour, some news event is coming out that's creating a lot of fear and anxiety among Americans. We've never had a crisis in America with the sophistication of social media in this participative way, amplifying fear. Social media can also amplify good news when it comes, but there doesn't seem to be good news yet," said John Gerzema, CEO of The Harris Poll.

The poll also found, unsurprisingly, that work is being disrupted to some degree for all Americans. The biggest changes workers have seen from their employers are postponing work travel and remote work. Eighteen percent of respondents said COVID-19 has decreased their productivity.

Interesting that the "over-reacting" group is comprised nearly 100% of Fox News (or lesser sources) viewers... They lied to their viewers for the first six weeks trying to tell us this was a nothing burger... it appears their viewers learned nothing.

Fox News accused of downplaying coronavirus as it moves to protect staff | Media | The Guardian

Hopefully, when this is all said and done, it will have a much lower number of infections and deaths than were previously talked about BECAUSE states did the right thing and insisted on social distancing. If we move through this with minimal causalities, it will be because the STATES took action and saved people in spite of the inept federal response.

Global academics on COVID-19 coronavirus: 'Over-reacting is better than non-reacting' | World Economic Forum
How Bad Could It Get? Companies Gauge the Coronavirus Impact - The New York Times

Much of what we have to do now is because Washington did not use January and February effectively to get ahead of this....

If coronavirus disappears in June then we were overreacting.

If coronavirus reappears in February then we weren't overreacting.

So the answer is, "we don't know yet"

If it disappear in June, how do know it disappeared independent of our reaction OR because of our reaction?

The idea of doing the things we are doing right now is to nip this thing in the bud.... to make it a non-event. Was Y2K a non-event because it was a non-event or because everyone got ahead of the issue and made it a nonevent?
 
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