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    Re: Stop It With the Coronavirus Curfews Already

    Oh, and also, here's how well his "leadership" is working.

    Trump'''s big promises on COVID-19 often fall short

    We'd be better off with vacant presidency than we are with Trump.
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    Re: Stop It With the Coronavirus Curfews Already

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    More tests. Military assistance with treatment. Access to VA facilities. Ventilators. N95 masks. Surgical masks and other supplies.

    The US military is sending a hospital ship to NYC. However, in his usual style, Trump said it would be there in a matter of days, but that vessel is undergoing repairs and won't make it to NYC for several weeks. (Bloomberg - Are you a robot?)



    As best it can, yes.

    By the way, De Blasio and Cuomo kinda hate each other, and are constantly feuding. De Blasio wouldn't hold back if Cuomo wasn't helping.



    Both, but mostly the federal government.

    NY State can't order companies to manufacture supplies. Cuomo can instruct the National Guard to take action, but the NG doesn't have the same resources as the full US military. The federal government can, but is apparently still reluctant to pull the trigger on that.

    Trump is finally starting to do some of the things we need, but there is still room for improvement. No one should be surprised that the mayor of the US's largest city is doing everything he can to push the state and federal government into action.
    NYT: Trump Resists Pressure to Force Companies to Make Coronavirus Supplies

    There's always room for improvement during this crisis. Yours was a reasonable response to my questions.
    I think deBlasio is using the wrong tactic by criticizing Trump's response. Perhaps he hasn't heard that Trump responds to those who praise him for doing a good job. Ergo, deBlasio is stupid.

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    Re: Stop It With the Coronavirus Curfews Already

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Great, more mindless lib Trump bashing. Why dont you start your own thread if you wanna do that?
    Trump doesn't need any help to prove he is incompetent and dishonest. He is not a leader, he is a bumbling fool whose dog and pony shows have exacerbated transmission of the Covid 19 crisis.

    Below is a link to one more of his failures to consider all of the consquences in his remarks:

    The Navy Deploys Two Hospital Ships as the Coronavirus Spreads | WIRED
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    Re: Stop It With the Coronavirus Curfews Already

    Quote Originally Posted by rickc View Post
    Trump didn't have much choice in his response. He was surrounded by those who knew much more than he did. Had he refused to go along with the experts all the deaths following would have been on his head. His big mistake was downplaying this crisis in the begining. For that i give him an "F".

    His base still believes its all a hoax designed by the democrats to hurt Trump!.
    Trump simply does not know when to keep his mouth shut. Or his Twitter account silent.

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    Re: Stop It With the Coronavirus Curfews Already

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    We have a 1.4% mortality rate, compared to over 4% in China (who really knows about that?), a 7% in Iran, and over 8% in Italy. Our rate is likely to continue downward, as well. Our total deaths so far are nowhere near the swine flu here yet. WTF are you looking at?
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    Those are the right numbers. Maybe if the ventilators and the test kits come in out greater numbers we'll be able to identify those infected, exhibiting symptoms, give them the right treatment with the right equipment, and keep them from dying. Flattening the curve might just keep people from dying in their homes or in the streets for lack of material resources.

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    Re: Stop It With the Coronavirus Curfews Already

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Some brave souls took up arms and died at the call of the nation in the past.
    Some bitched and cried and kicked and screamed when told to stay indoors for a few weeks, when called by their nation.

    Can you not sacrifice for your nation? Cooperate to achieve a net-better outcome for everyone?
    Mach, imagine if this many Americans were that selfish in World War II. Shutting skyscraper lights off at night? Accepting rations! NO! GIMME MAH FREEDUMBS!!
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    Re: Stop It With the Coronavirus Curfews Already

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Mach, imagine if this many Americans were that selfish in World War II. Shutting skyscraper lights off at night? Accepting rations! NO! GIMME MAH FREEDUMBS!!
    Yeah.
    I tell ya, I was sitting their thinking of the military and how Republican leadership always fakes the rubes into believing they are so pro-military rank and file.

    What's the military? The most authoritarian expression of government in the United States. They can literally order you, under penalty of jail, to your death.

    But somehow when government tries to help a nation in need, OMG DEEP STATE! Authoritarians!! blah blah blah.

    We had our chance with impeachment to remove Trump, and Republicans failed to do the right thing. I hope there is hell to pay for them.

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    Re: Stop It With the Coronavirus Curfews Already

    Quote Originally Posted by Indie guy View Post
    Yep, all this martial law is not going to sit well with the majority of Americans for very long. We're used to moving freely, going where we want, and doing whatever the hell we please.

    There is a reason to take precautions and prevent the spread of the virus, but when the government mandates all these controls it's not only detrimental to the economy but downright unconstitutional.
    This isn't addressing you personally, but I want to pick up on your martial law comment if I may.

    We have a lot of people about who still think that this virus is a joke. That could be due to lack of understanding, it could be that some areas are not as affected as others and it just hasn't hit home...yet. People are still out and about touching their faces, coming close to others, hacking and coughing and sneezing at everyone and everything. That is pure ignorance of the facts as we know them.
    If...everyone would come to the realization that this bug is no joke and would take on the necessary personal responsibility, we wouldn't need to be told what to do and when to do it.
    So be it the young and hip spring breakers, the woke ones who are telling the old ones how it's done, or be it the stubborn old crowd who think they know it all and then some, stop being selfish fools.
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    Re: Stop It With the Coronavirus Curfews Already

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    If...everyone would come to the realization that this bug is no joke and would take on the necessary personal responsibility, we wouldn't need to be told what to do and when to do it.
    How do people arrive at adulthood without knowing this in their bones?
    It's the foundation of the bulk of our laws...if people would just be smart/decent, we'd have so many fewer rules and laws. So sad.

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    Re: Stop It With the Coronavirus Curfews Already

    Quote Originally Posted by jaypatriot View Post
    There's always room for improvement during this crisis. Yours was a reasonable response to my questions.
    I think deBlasio is using the wrong tactic by criticizing Trump's response. Perhaps he hasn't heard that Trump responds to those who praise him for doing a good job. Ergo, deBlasio is stupid.
    Well...

    I'm on the fence about the validity of the tactic. That said, De Blasio may be playing to his base, but he's not stupid. I think he knows that Trump cannot screw over the biggest city in the US. And again, De Blasio is not feuding with Cuomo.

    I'd add that "Trump doing stuff for NYC" is, well, a mixed blessing. Trump talks big, including exaggerating the help he's giving; but he doesn't care about the details. E.g. The bailout was almost entirely negotiated by Pelosi and Mnuchin, not Pelosi and Trump. Trump might make some impulsive declaration, but he's not going to say "De Blasio is being mean to me, therefore I'm going to send the hospital ship to Miami instead of NYC."

    De Blasio is also taking very aggressive steps to try and tamp down the virus. Right now, that is the smartest thing he can do.
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