Is COV-19 affecting politics?

It seems that this disease, that knows no bias or respect of boundaries, is becoming a political weapon. Shouldn't we come together on a common enemy with some sensible uncharged solutions?


The biggest threat to Donald Trump's re-election in 2020 may be COVID-19.

The spread of the novel coronavirus is shaping up as a test of Trump's core pitch to voters: that they are better off than they were when he took office. Sharp drops in the stock market, school and office closures, crashing oil prices and widespread disruptions to other major industries have some Trump supporters concerned that the virus is triggering a new financial crisis that could hurt Trump's bid for a second term more than any political test he's faced so far.

'The economic ramifications of the coronavirus are increasingly likely to weigh heavily on Trump's re-election chances and quite possibly could cost him re-election,' says Republican donor Dan Eberhart.

One recent historical precedent in particular troubles Trump's close allies. After the housing bubble precipitated an economic meltdown in 2008, voters turned from incumbent Republicans to opposition Democrats in that fall's election, voting Barack Obama into the White House and sending Democratic majorities to both the House and the Senate. The parallels to 2008 'are especially frightening from my vantage point right now,' Eberhart says.

How Coronavirus Could Affect Donald Trump's Re-Election | Time

Of course it is, but not in the twisted way conservatives want to believe.

- It was Trump wearing a "vote for me" hat at a crisis center.

- It was Trump who spent weeks pretending that the media and Democrats are just exaggerating a new hoax to hurt him.

- It was Trump who declared that his prior immigration lock downs from certain countries saved us from the Virus.

- It was Trump who has consistently lied about responses and remedies.

So, what we have hear are clear examples of him promoting his anti-immigration agenda, his anti-Democrat agenda, his anti-media fake-news agenda, his habitual agenda to lie in order to create a false illusion of his leadership, and his constant campaigning for love.

Now, he is scrambling about trying to paint a picture that his response was great as he delivers boneheaded speeches that are only making matters worse. Aside from him personally politicizing the crap out of this from the beginning, American voters (and the DNC) are merely reacting to his continual diarrhea. How do the Democrats not point this out? Trump has begged the DNC to criticize him for three years. This time is no different.

The best thing that the White House could do for America at this point is to handcuff Trump to a toilet until this gets managed. Of course, considering how he has almost literally done nothing right during his presidency, he would probably just stop-up the toilet too and call it perfect while calling the janitor a leftist. The COVID-19 is not the threat to Trump. Trump is and has always been Trump's threat. His greatest desperate hope, as always, is that his constituency continues to ignore him.

Bernie is making the same mistake McCain made when he overreacted and suspended his campaign to save us from the Great Recession.

Crises happen, and Presidents are graded on how they respond to them. It has always been thus.

As Trump is currently talking to the Press, the DOW has dropped to 2200 pts. He is not a reassuring, calming speaker, with his unrealistic assertions.

CV19 is certainly not bringing out the best in us

There is a critical mass of victims at which fake victims are summarily ejected from the room. People of color and women being victims doesn't really hit the system. They're minority powers. All combined maybe 30% of power and wealth. They can be crapped on and the system moves on. When white people, males, hetero and old get hit, then look out. When old white males are victims, the system notices. And then there comes a point when there's not enough space in the victim room for a great great fake victim.

Like all disasters, it affects politics by putting things in perspective and thereby outing the big fake victims in high office.

grip said:

As Trump is currently talking to the Press, the DOW has dropped to 2200 pts. He is not a reassuring, calming speaker, with his unrealistic assertions.

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Aside from his inability to feel empathy and his celebration of personal callousness, I think it should be becoming clear to even his constituents what Trump has always defined his presidency on. He has taken much undue credit for the economic trend he inherited and now appears only concerned with Wall Street making him look bad. He's worried, after convincing his idiot flock that he is why the economy was well, that they now might see through him; or worse, blame him for its turn. After all, if he is responsible for the economic trend doing well, then logic dictates that he is responsible for when it turns. Right? Personally, considering what his flock has proven to be, I don't think he has a thing to worry about here. His greatest worry is that corporations will choose to sponsor the Democrat over him because of this. Republicans and Democrats have sparred for a couple decades over the same corporate sponsors. Remember, even Trump financed Democrats when they promised to return long-term financial favors.

But considering that he tends to make all decisions around his ego, he may be more concerned with clinging to his own illusion of himself. This is why he ignores what is going on in the world and the markets while consistently praising himself for his "perfect" response. At this point, I don't think even his flock is allowing itself to be fooled. Once again, FOX News is having to figure out how to spin yet another Trump blunder for the comfort of its viewers.

I'll bet Trump's publicists are scared most of the virus and his name being irrevocably linked.

I hope no one here catches Trump Flu.

MSgt said:

Aside from his inability to feel empathy and his celebration of personal callousness, I think it should be becoming clear to even his constituents what Trump has always defined his presidency on. He has taken much undue credit for the economic trend he inherited and now appears only concerned with Wall Street making him look bad. He's worried, after convincing his idiot flock that he is why the economy was well, that they now might see through him. Personally, considering what is flock has proven to be, I don't think he has a thing to worry about.

But considering that he tends to make all decisions around his ego, he may be more concerned with clinging to his own illusion of himself. This is why he ignores what is going on in the world and the markets while consistently praising himself for his "perfect" response. At this point, I don't think even his flock is allowing itself to be fooled. Once again, FOX News is having to figure out how to spin yet another Trump blunder for the comfort of its viewers.

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He blows my mind when he says, "it'll go away" and "we're worried about deaths." It's like he only gives a **** about his image. Then his supporters make a hoo-ha about how the media has reported the disease as a big hoax for political reasons. Nobody needs to blame Trump for his goofy behavior, he already owns it. I predict if the markets drop into the teens, he'll address the nation again pleading for normalcy.

This COVID-19 pandemic is the Gift from God that Joe needed to unseat Trump.

Dems have been trying for 3 years to destroy Trump, and now it turn out they didn't even need to.

Trump will self-destruct.

grip said:

It seems that this disease, that knows no bias or respect of boundaries, is becoming a political weapon. Shouldn't we come together on a common enemy with some sensible uncharged solutions?


The biggest threat to Donald Trump's re-election in 2020 may be COVID-19.

The spread of the novel coronavirus is shaping up as a test of Trump's core pitch to voters: that they are better off than they were when he took office. Sharp drops in the stock market, school and office closures, crashing oil prices and widespread disruptions to other major industries have some Trump supporters concerned that the virus is triggering a new financial crisis that could hurt Trump's bid for a second term more than any political test he's faced so far.

'The economic ramifications of the coronavirus are increasingly likely to weigh heavily on Trump's re-election chances and quite possibly could cost him re-election,' says Republican donor Dan Eberhart.

One recent historical precedent in particular troubles Trump's close allies. After the housing bubble precipitated an economic meltdown in 2008, voters turned from incumbent Republicans to opposition Democrats in that fall's election, voting Barack Obama into the White House and sending Democratic majorities to both the House and the Senate. The parallels to 2008 'are especially frightening from my vantage point right now,' Eberhart says.

How Coronavirus Could Affect Donald Trump's Re-Election | Time

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This will absolutely impact the election. How Trump handles this going forward will turn more against him if he fails. On the other side of this if Trump comes through and proves himself to be a great leader he will turn a lot of people into supporters.

grip said:

It seems that this disease, that knows no bias or respect of boundaries, is becoming a political weapon. Shouldn't we come together on a common enemy with some sensible uncharged solutions?


The biggest threat to Donald Trump's re-election in 2020 may be COVID-19.

The spread of the novel coronavirus is shaping up as a test of Trump's core pitch to voters: that they are better off than they were when he took office. Sharp drops in the stock market, school and office closures, crashing oil prices and widespread disruptions to other major industries have some Trump supporters concerned that the virus is triggering a new financial crisis that could hurt Trump's bid for a second term more than any political test he's faced so far.

'The economic ramifications of the coronavirus are increasingly likely to weigh heavily on Trump's re-election chances and quite possibly could cost him re-election,' says Republican donor Dan Eberhart.

One recent historical precedent in particular troubles Trump's close allies. After the housing bubble precipitated an economic meltdown in 2008, voters turned from incumbent Republicans to opposition Democrats in that fall's election, voting Barack Obama into the White House and sending Democratic majorities to both the House and the Senate. The parallels to 2008 'are especially frightening from my vantage point right now,' Eberhart says.

How Coronavirus Could Affect Donald Trump's Re-Election | Time

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It is, but not for the most publicized reasons.
First of all, who knew that 90% of our drugs, particularly generics now are exclusively made in China?
When Trump was beating the table about our unholy reliance on a Chinese dictatorship for many critical supplies, too many thought he was mostly talking about cheap Chinese do dads from at Walmart?

Obviously, Trump should have demanded an immediate return to drug manufacturing in the USA. Everyone was screaming about it...yeah, right. It’s was more fun to waste time trying to gut Trumps presidency.

We deserve it. We are being punk slapped for letting big business wander off shore and put us all at risk. If there is any constant in America, is capitalism creates poor planners. Bush and Obama both bear most of the blame, and our elected officials in the aggregate bear the rest, and it’s our fault for not demanding they quit fighting and get back to work.

For good news look for a baby boom!

Kreton said:

This will absolutely impact the election. How Trump handles this going forward will turn more against him if he fails. On the other side of this if Trump comes through and proves himself to be a great leader he will turn a lot of people into supporters.

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Nov is a long way off in political time. This pandemic will probably be over and out of the News cycle by June. And if Trump quits talking about it, people will realize how little he can actually do to prevent a force of nature from following its natural conclusion. I don't believe there are that many swing voters left anymore, I think people, in general, have made up their minds about Trump. But how he handles the resulting economic fallout may become a big talking point for the Dems and cause some lost/indifferent supporters to not vote Republican.

grip said:

It seems that this disease, that knows no bias or respect of boundaries, is becoming a political weapon. Shouldn't we come together on a common enemy with some sensible uncharged solutions?


The biggest threat to Donald Trump's re-election in 2020 may be COVID-19.

The spread of the novel coronavirus is shaping up as a test of Trump's core pitch to voters: that they are better off than they were when he took office. Sharp drops in the stock market, school and office closures, crashing oil prices and widespread disruptions to other major industries have some Trump supporters concerned that the virus is triggering a new financial crisis that could hurt Trump's bid for a second term more than any political test he's faced so far.

'The economic ramifications of the coronavirus are increasingly likely to weigh heavily on Trump's re-election chances and quite possibly could cost him re-election,' says Republican donor Dan Eberhart.

One recent historical precedent in particular troubles Trump's close allies. After the housing bubble precipitated an economic meltdown in 2008, voters turned from incumbent Republicans to opposition Democrats in that fall's election, voting Barack Obama into the White House and sending Democratic majorities to both the House and the Senate. The parallels to 2008 'are especially frightening from my vantage point right now,' Eberhart says.

How Coronavirus Could Affect Donald Trump's Re-Election | Time

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If we can't come together regardless of political party or ideology to fight this thing, this is a prime example why this nation is doomed. When political parties become much more important than America as a whole, forget it, it's over for this nation.

I disagree that this corona virus is the biggest threat to Trump's reelection even if the democrats politicize it. The biggest threat to Trump's reelection is Trump himself. By that I mean his obnoxious, uncouth, bullying persona along with his very unpresidential behavior. At least at the moment, sure corona virus hangs over his head, but chances are it will be under control by November. Trump's schoolyard bullying tactics and his name calling like a four year old child whose parents failed to teach him any manners will continue regardless.

grip said:

It seems that this disease, that knows no bias or respect of boundaries, is becoming a political weapon. Shouldn't we come together on a common enemy with some sensible uncharged solutions?


The biggest threat to Donald Trump's re-election in 2020 may be COVID-19.

The spread of the novel coronavirus is shaping up as a test of Trump's core pitch to voters: that they are better off than they were when he took office. Sharp drops in the stock market, school and office closures, crashing oil prices and widespread disruptions to other major industries have some Trump supporters concerned that the virus is triggering a new financial crisis that could hurt Trump's bid for a second term more than any political test he's faced so far.

'The economic ramifications of the coronavirus are increasingly likely to weigh heavily on Trump's re-election chances and quite possibly could cost him re-election,' says Republican donor Dan Eberhart.

One recent historical precedent in particular troubles Trump's close allies. After the housing bubble precipitated an economic meltdown in 2008, voters turned from incumbent Republicans to opposition Democrats in that fall's election, voting Barack Obama into the White House and sending Democratic majorities to both the House and the Senate. The parallels to 2008 'are especially frightening from my vantage point right now,' Eberhart says.

How Coronavirus Could Affect Donald Trump's Re-Election | Time

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That is a great question and one I have been searching to find out.

Right now we have two entrenched camps in the US and its a real question of whether the deaths from this event will change minds or not.

Kreton said:

This will absolutely impact the election. How Trump handles this going forward will turn more against him if he fails. On the other side of this if Trump comes through and proves himself to be a great leader he will turn a lot of people into supporters.

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What’s the over/under?

chuckiechan said:

It is, but not for the most publicized reasons.
First of all, who knew that 90% of our drugs, particularly generics now are exclusively made in China?
When Trump was beating the table about our unholy reliance on a Chinese dictatorship for many critical supplies, too many thought he was mostly talking about cheap Chinese do dads from at Walmart?

Obviously, Trump should have demanded an immediate return to drug manufacturing in the USA. Everyone was screaming about it...yeah, right. It’s was more fun to waste time trying to gut Trumps presidency.

We deserve it. We are being punk slapped for letting big business wander off shore and put us all at risk. If there is any constant in America, is capitalism creates poor planners. Bush and Obama both bear most of the blame, and our elected officials in the aggregate bear the rest, and it’s our fault for not demanding they quit fighting and get back to work.

For good news look for a baby boom!

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Capitalism and global trade is a two-edged sword that brought inexpensive goods to the US and wealth to emerging economies. But the greed of large corporations and their gov supporters made for terrible planners. They think in fiscal quarters and say, we'll deal with that contingency when it presents itself. The problem with such interconnectivity is the butterfly effect, what hurts one, hurts all. This is also what the parties fail to see that wishing for Trump to crash and burn is going to ultimately hurt the whole country and that's neither conservative or liberal, it's unpatriotic.

tacomancer said:

That is a great question and one I have been searching to find out.

Right now we have two entrenched camps in the US and its a real question of whether the deaths from this event will change minds or not.

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I think the economic impact will be a bigger decider, unless the death toll becomes far greater than anticipated.

grip said:

I think the economic impact will be a bigger decider, unless the death toll becomes far greater than anticipated.

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If the hospitals are overwhelmed and people start dying due to a lack of treatment for other things ...

expect riots

tacomancer said:

If the hospitals are overwhelmed and people start dying due to a lack of treatment for other things ...

expect riots

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After reading this headline that could very well happen.

Washington (AFP) - Between 70 to 150 million people in the United States could eventually be infected with the novel coronavirus, according to a projection shared with Congress, a lawmaker said Thursday.

Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib made the remarks during a hearing of the House of Representatives with members of the president's coronavirus task force, confirming earlier reports by US media outlets including Axios and NBC News.

Up to 150 million Americans could get coronavirus: US projection

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But unless people are very sick or seriously at risk, the News outlets should tell people there's nothing the hospitals can really do. The system won't collapse if the majority of the affected ride it out at home.

grip said:

After reading this headline that could very well happen.




But unless people are very sick or seriously at risk, the News outlets should tell people there's nothing the hospitals can really do. The system won't collapse if the majority of the affected ride it out at home.

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Agreed, but US culture is one of entitlement in almost all demographic circles.

tacomancer said:

Agreed, but US culture is one of entitlement in almost all demographic circles.

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I hate my doctor, who gives me a painful shot in the ass for anything I complain about. I'll have to have some nasty pneumonia before I try and get an appt. The US Gov could setup a network of online medical advisers for patients unsure whether their symptoms require medical attention.

grip said:

Nov is a long way off in political time. This pandemic will probably be over and out of the News cycle by June. And if Trump quits talking about it, people will realize how little he can actually do to prevent a force of nature from following its natural conclusion. I don't believe there are that many swing voters left anymore, I think people, in general, have made up their minds about Trump. But how he handles the resulting economic fallout may become a big talking point for the Dems and cause some lost/indifferent supporters to not vote Republican.

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Well, he has now also put Jahred (as they call him on the news) in charge of the Covid-19 response alongside Pence. Once again Trump splits efforts. Two masters are guaranteed to slow down the process. Worse, the new master is Jared Kushner, the middle east "expert." Jesus wept.

Jared and Steve Miller are reported to have been the co-authors of Trump's disastrous address to the nation that STILL to this minute is not fully understood or explained even as the government tries to make sense of it. Jared and Miller's speech and Trump's inability, once again, to understand that actions have consequences will be difficult to forget even months from now. In fact, European countries were surprised and shocked as Trump's address included an end to trade with Europe and then didn't but remained confusing. Same with air travel.

Trump can't do wrong right. Exposed to several people who have tested positive for the virus Trump refuses to be tested, wants to continue rallies and intends to keep shaking hands. That's leadership all right, leading to the rear, and sending exactly the wrong message to Americans.

Trump and his adminsitration continue to ignore, misinform and lie about all things related to the virus. There is no leadership, there's Trump. As Americans suffer more and more they will remember long after November.

grip said:

I hate my doctor, who gives me a painful shot in the ass for anything I complain about. I'll have to have some nasty pneumonia before I try and get an appt. The US Gov could setup a network of online medical advisers for patients unsure whether their symptoms require medical attention.

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Maybe your doctor just likes your ass.